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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-05-13 at 20:03:44
This week the UK's biggest shopping mall, Bluewater, banned hoodies and baseball caps from their premises.

Why? Because hoodies and baseball caps have become synonymous with violent crime and intimidation. Gangs of youths are everywhere in my country (or at least in all towns), and they terrorise people on the street and in their homes with hardly any risk of getting anything other than a slap on the wrist from the authorities.

I was mugged in broad daylight by a gang last year, in my hometown's busiest street. Thankfully, the leader of the gang was banned from the city centre after he left the manager of Sega Park with brain damage after kicking him repeatedly in the face, but most incidents go unpunished.

Not long ago, a woman who fired an unloaded air pistol at the feet of two yobs who had terrorised her for months throwing bricks through her windows, slashing her car tyres and intimidating her, was jailed. The law seems to be on the side of these youths in some cases, and I think that this is disgraceful. I remember a previous incident when a gang of youths laid siege to a woman's home and smashed up her car. She told them she had a gun (she didn't), so one of the gang phoned the police, who turned up within 10 minutes with body armour, MP5s and sniper rifles to arrest the woman. She had called the police many times before to ask them to break up the gang attacking her property, but they did nothing.

The final straw for me, however, is 'happy slapping.' This involves one youth filming his friends slapping innocent bystanders in the face, or beating them up. It started off as a playground fad, where bullies would film themselves karate kicking someone in the head or similar, but it has become public and is getting more serious all the time. Recently, a drunken man fell asleep at a bus stop, a pair of youths found him, doused him in petrol and set him alight. He barely survived and is now permanently scarred. Extra Info

What are your thoughts on this, and what do you think the authorities should do about it?

I think that there should be a mandatory prison sentence for youths who assault lawful citizens, and I also think that the law should be on the side of the people who retaliate after persistent harrassment. If I was to go to the extreme - I would also consider having persistent offenders beaten by the police when they arrest them - or have them placed in solitary confinement with just a toilet and some food.

Hopefully, that way, they will appreciate freedom when they have paid their debt to society, and learn that if they beat up random people, they should expect to have the same done to them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-05-13 at 20:25:45
Man, this sort of stuff never happens where I'm at. Those atrocities are horrible, I can not picture anyone I know setting a hapless drunkard on fire! I think your area needs something for teens to do to keep them for harming innocent people. They sound like complete jerks.
Alas though I do not live where you are and do not experience the life of some of these youth. So I cannot say as to what I would do under these circumstances. If these horrific events are all in good fun, they should learn that none of their actions would be approved of by me. I believe in common courtesy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-14 at 00:16:47
Wow, if everything you said was true, and those innocent people did nothing wrong, then I am disgusted by all of it. That is horrible. They should all be burned. The cops and those stupid kids with no brain at all. I wish those people really did have guns and shot all of them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-05-14 at 00:45:57
Wow, Britain sucks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-05-14 at 11:35:48
Yeah, it does suck if you go anywhere near areas where there's a lot of council housing, or deprived areas.

It looks like the government is finally taking notice though - especially after the deputy Prime Minister was intimidated by a gang at a petrol station. Apparently, one kid yelled an insult at him from across the forecourt. The deputy PM (John Prescott) said 'What did you just say?' and the kid went off around the corner and returned with 10 others.

They started intimidating him, but at this point Prescott's bodyguards appeared and the gang ran off.

I don't know what might have happened if they hadn't been there, but John Prescott is infamous for his violent temper, so there could have been a brawl. Once, when Mr. Prescott was being escorted through a crowd of protesters, someone threw an egg at him. He then turned around and punched the guy in the face. Another time he said to a journalist: 'piss off, you f***ing amateur - get back on the bus.'

He and Tony Blair are now supporting police efforts to crack down on youth-related crime, which is a welcome change from them pressuring the police to get as many drivers banned from the roads as possible for minor motoring offences.

EDIT: I just found an amusing site where it has descriptions of the typical person who commits these crimes. Just go here and click on the 'People' link at the top.
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