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I find it absolutely pointless in having two seperate categories in which somehow makes one group of melee maps look supposedly "superior" to the other bigger "inferior" group when many maps from both categories are placed in the wrong sections. Many regular maps i've seen out there are better than many Pro maps. I was just looking through both melee map categories and examined some of those maps and just could not believe how poorly divided these two areas were.

Yes i know this site specializes in UMS but think about it. Entropy decided to bring Melee into this site, meaning he's also gonna bring some melee players not from this site to visit our DLDB. Now if those people see how faultily we divided our Pro and regular maps, they'lll think that this place sux. Now i remember clearly that this site is about Quality and show high quality in every aspect. Having a terrible division of our melee maps is just going to ruin our reputation and make everyone think that we just dont know jack shit about melee maps and which ones are good and which ones aren't.

So I say we should just combine them period, not try to make one set of melee maps stand out from the rest. But initially i would've said just to get the maps into their right categories but that process will be too tedious and meticulous.

Not to mention that the line between normal and pro is just too blurred. It is too hard to distinguish. Amen.

Yea, also even the title "pro" doesn't match the maps, because they are based on popularity as the category description says. If it was a real Pro it would be used in professional tourneys, or anything where you would make money off of as opposed to amateur. Practically none of those maps in the section are truly "pro". I have an idea, you could combine the two sections, and have like a rating system with stars or something next to the maps name, like 1-5 stars, based on what people vote.

There already is a rating system from 1-10. But maybe combine them and have a rating by the people and one by the DLDB keepers. The one who uploads it can add their score and the others can put theirs when they have time. This way we can see what the DLDB keepers give it for balance, etc, and the people can tell you how much they like it and if any gg's game from it and such.

I'm just going to say that the PRO section needs to be for PRO maps only, yet I don't think we have a single pro map in there. I've added a poll to this thread, plase vote.

Do you think we should combine them into one or do you think I should take the time to move all the non-pro maps back to regular and then add some nice pro maps and some recent ones to the pro section.

Meh, I don't have the time and yet, as I said before, It's just to blurry (the line between pro and not)

No it's not. Pro maps are maps made by advanced map makers for use in official tournaments/events in the melee gaming scene. Regular maps are those made by everyone else. How is that blurry/vague?

Fix Pro to have Pro only maps...

I see alot of difference between the regular maps and the pro maps... Just keep it the way it is.

You wouldn't believe how long I tried to convince Yoshi to not call that section "Pro". And he kinda converted me.

No one cares if they're real pro maps or not. We wouldn't have a melee section if we'd just be hosting "pro" maps: There are already ALOT of other websites doing this.


It's perfectly fine like this. And it's not "inferior and superior", it's "normal and higher-quality maps"...

We should be fixing BOTh categories. I'm seeing many "regular maps" which are qualified to be pro (Based on beerkeg's description of what a pro map should be) and many "pro maps" qualified to be relegated back down to regular.

But i still say we combine them, because none of us can divide these maps fairly and in the best way. We all have different opinions on which maps go where. I think we should just make all our lives easier and combine them...

It's just like why some UMS maps don't get accepted, they're crappy. I don't see anyone complaining about those UMS maps that don't get accepted, since they aren't as "high quality."

I don't think we should be going by his definition. No offense to him, but in every melee based site pro maps are considered maps played and/or made by pro's. For example, LT would be a pro map because it is widely played at pro tournaments. Sites like these:

http://worldcybergames.com/main.asp
http://www.pgtour.net/
http://teamliquid.net/
And additionally:
http://www.wgtour.com/

Would be examples of respectable sites to find pro maps.

Since we are pretty much unfamiliar with those maps and/or none of the maps we're submiting to the DLDB are used in officla tournaments, then that means none of our maps qualify to be a "Pro melee maps." Therefore, that category will be empty and useless so i say we get rid of it.

What? The whole point of the melee section is to encourage melee map makers/players to come here. A comprehensive pro map section that is constantly updated with the latest maps would therefore be useful. The whole idea of letting just anyone make a map and having it evaluated based on one person's definition of what a "Pro" map should be seems to me very flawed.

I object against all ideas posted in this thread.

Making the "Pro" section for maps used by the Pro's is logical, but we only have 1 Pro map in there which is Paradoxx which I submited some months ago, the other one should be LT but that already comes with Starcraft.

So let's do this instead and make 3 categories.

1) Pro - these would be the maps that the Pro Gamers use
2) Advanced - this would be where maps good enough to be Pro but aren't played by the Pro's usually because the map isn't popular enough. A good definition would be a Balanced map that offers plently of strategy. A good example of a map like this would be (2) Helix by Shadow_Paladin (Chris)
3) Regular - The same as the current Regular section

This way, both ideas win, the idea of having a section for maps played by Pro gamers and another section of good maps made by us.

Do remember that this is a site run by us Non-Pro Melee Mapmakers, and by run I don't mean the Staff but the people who contribute to it. Tell me of one Pro Melee Mapmaker that has let his appearance be known that he is a member of the SEN Melee Mapmaking Community.
Not one.

I think MA is just mad since his maps didn't get into the pro section.

Yes i agree that we should have more than 2 categories. One which would be the 1337 maps (like paradoxx) another with good, decorated, ok balanced maps, and the regular ones being the bad ones and are somewhat low quality.

ADDITION:

No, im mad that MANY maps out there didn't get into pro. Lots of trcc's maps are also qualified to go under the pro melee section as well, but apparently, they're put with the regulars.

I didnt think my maps would truly qualify for the section. But i am quite surprised how maps worse than mine got in

And allow me to point out some of those maps...

- (2)Twin Heads by High. That map is just a replica of (2)Full Circle except different terrain.
- (4)Winter Artipeligo by High. Again also a copy but not very balanced
- (4)Prominent Lands by me. My other maps were much better than this

More might come later, but that's all i could open and find.

Just because you think they're bad maps doesn't mean they are.

A good Melee map doesn't give fancy Terrain, it gives balance and good strategy.

I see tons of maps in the regular section having almost perfect balance and strategy

And no, that doesn't include mine neccesarily.

Then what's the point of bringing up your own maps?

Absolutely none. Infact I didnt even bring them up in the first! You were the one who brought them up by saying


And so i had to respond saying:

I didn't force you to type that did I?