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Well, a few questions about eash of them.

Which is the more updated/better one to use?

Are there any significant differences with each?

Last about their differences, What should I use out of those two?


I really don't unerstand how to use either of them. I know what they are for, I just don't understand the process. Is there someone who can point me in the right direction?

Thanks ahead of the time.

If you would like me to go more in deoth of what I am doing please tell me!

Well, I was following the same steps to create a new PAT File with StarGraft and that part worked fine. But, when I go to open it in MemGraft I get the error "stat_txt.tbl" is not found. But, that file is found right there next to MemGraft. I have the file located in the same area as the program.

Oh that's all. Thanks then... I am not the best with computers. Fascinated by them, but very oblivious... :erm: Well, thanks again.

ADDITION:
For step 5. Are you saying that I need to import that "patch(forgot filename).mpq and just "add" the .dat files that I have already modded?

Well, I am having the same problems as L)ark is. I don't know what step 5 means. Can someone ellaborate?

If you set the patch_rt.mpq to "TerranDoom.mpq" in Mem/StarGraft, then you would copy patch_rt.mpq and rename it as that. Then you import the mgpatch.mgd (must have that name). then import your files. (Im not good at explaining... I could redo this, but someone else may before I do)

Huh?? Farty, you just lost me... Lemme see if this is what you meant:


I rename the "path_rt.mpq" to my mods name? So then it would go from "path_rt.mpq" to "random.mpq"?
Then I import the patch I made with StarDraft? Then import the .dat files?

Oh, thanks BK...

Off Topic:

I went to your DT website! Very funny. Are you guys even a clan still?

ADDITION:
w00t Look mom I'm a regular!

Where can I find BSTRhino's steps? Tutorials? I hope I am wrong or I am an idiot (Bigger than I already am)

Well, then I am still a little confused on Step 5. Was what I said here correct?



If so, yay?!

Actually, I do all my editing in StarGraft and just import the PAT file to MemGraft when I need it. I've never liked MemGraft's editor, and I took a look at it a while ago and realised it was missing a few things I think.

Step 5 can be broken up into more steps:
1. Copy Patch_rt.mpq to a new file called TerranDoom.mpq (or whatever your mod is called)
2. Open TerranDoom.mpq, and add your modded files to it. Overwite the files in the MPQ if one already exists with the same name. For example, TerranDoom.mpq will already have an arr\units.dat. If you edited arr\units.dat, overwrite the arr\units.dat in the MPQ with your one.
3. Add in your mgd file in as custom\mgpatch.mgd

Yes, |)ark, that's exactly what you do, overwrite files where you need to. Your final MPQ will have all the files from 1.12b, with some files changed with your modded files instead. This needs to be done because when you run MemGraft patches, StarCraft doesn't look to Patch_rt.mpq, it only looks at your mod's MPQ, so you need to make sure all the files for Patch_rt.mpq are still in there somewhere.

An easy place to get rez\stat_txt.tbl is from Arsenal III's folder.

Edit: I didn't realise you just posted |)ark. Remember to copy Patch_rt.mpq, don't just rename it. You will need the original Patch_rt.mpq lying around so you can go back to playing regular StarCraft when your mod is over.

Well, thanks for everything... It's kind of sad, Shadow only posted once in here, helped me more than him/her. :erm..:

1. StarGraft
2. I would rather use Stargraft, You can search google on how to use these, Or just look through SEN's tutorial's on how to use this, Or another solution will be to PM me, And ask me your problem.

Stargraft is great and all (especially considering it can acutally save...)

There is one problem though, in the requirements bar only the used units are listed, while memgraft has the used and the unused units listed.

So the question is:
If I want to change the requirements for a terran civilian and I add a new requirement (a feature memgraft doesn't have), which I name Terran Civilian and I make it for unit Terran Civilian, then put all the necisisary stuff in. When I load the unit with Memgraft, do I have to change the Terran Civilian slot they provide so it's used and has all the necisary stuff or can I rely on the new slot I made in StarGraft which doesn't show up in memgraft (becuase memgraft is stupid and doesn't support new requirement slots).

Hope I didn't confuse anyone.

Second question concerning the two:
Another of the problems with stargraft is that the list of strings you can use for buttons is predetermined by the english defult stat_txt.tbl
There is this load strings option, but it only works for txt files and not tbl files
So is there anyway I can get a txt file with each of the strings from the english stat_txt.tbl file, so I can add strings to that list. And will the custom list be compatable with memgraft is I load the correct stat_txt.tbl upon startup?


I need anwsers to live!!!!

1. You have to change the Terran Civilian slot they provide so it's used and has all the necisary stuff
2. Why dont you just get the english stat_txt.tbl file. Yes the custom list will be compatable with memgraft.

As for the first question.
NOOOOO! this seriously hinders modding becuase memgraft can't save. So every time you want to change the requirements, you have to load the pat, and redo all the requirement changing stuff.

:Þ that sucks.

You can turn a TBL file into TXT file by saving it as "(something).txt" in TBLPad, and you can also do it the other way round as well.

If you're going to be using a different rez\stat_txt.tbl for StarGraft, make sure you're using the same modified rez\stat_txt.tbl for MemGraft and also in your MPQ to mod StarCraft. All that is stored in the StarGraft/MemGraft file is ID numbers to entries in rez\stat_txt.tbl, so you need to supply the same rez\stat_txt.tbl to all your modding programs if you want to see consistent results across all your modding programs. In fact, it is possible to supply Arsenal III with your modded rez\stat_txt.tbl file, although that's not relevant to what you're doing here.

Thanks BSTR for the helpful tips on string editing, I didn't really exspore tblpad enough so I didn't know that.



Now becuase your the expert modder around here, how do you get around the problem outlined above?

Yes.