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Alright, I'm sure most of you know that in the past, western culture has not really favoured women as much as men. Even today, in Canada and the United States, women don't get as much equality as they deserve, I know this because the girl who sat infront of me in one of my courses said it every ing day... but she's physically attractive so I forgive her. Keep in mind that where I live, and for most other people in Canada and the U.S. woman are often afforded the luxury of having everything paid for by the man, at least on dates.

The main idea around this topic will be money, and certain disadvantages women (or possibly men) have in the workplace.

Please, only speak of that which you are learned in, or at least, be very objective based on what other people have said in this thread. Also, don't just give an opinion, nobody cares, tell us why you think that way, and give supporting facts or experiences.

If I see 3 or more stupid posts (by my own opinion), I will close the topic. No, I will not flame you for the posts, but if the thread is locked, that's why. If someone makes a stupid post, don't respond to it please.

So yeah, those are the ground rules, do you think women are disadvantaged? Men are? They're equal now? Or that there are too many pros and cons to make distinction?

Yes women are not as equal as men, but right now it is alot better than before. Also men are physically much stronger so usually they would be more capable of handling more workloads.

Ever heard of quotas? A white anglo-saxon protestant (wasp for short) man gets shafted. Often its the only defining factor between two job interviews. Where you come from, what your sex is, etc.

However, the case usually is that they are both qualified, of course, but if you're going against a woman and its that close, you'll probably lose.

I think that job selection is fewer for women, as a lot of machinery equipment and factory jobs require heavy lifting, in which the job is better suited for men, however I live with 4 women in my house, and I can assure you that the average woman spends more money/costs a lot more money than a man does.

I think that Western Culture is so use to the husband going off to work and the house wife staying home and such. When a women does go to get a job some maybe surprised at this. Day after day though things are changin and women are more accepted now in the work life then ever before.

Personnely, I wouldn't mind my wife staying home and watchin over the children and taking care of the house as long as I do all the yard work and make alot if money at the office.

Do you realise how hard it is to support a family on one paycheck? Unless you're going into professional sports, or some other high paying job... good luck.

In my experience, women are generally better at things like languages, and men are better at math. Women have better social skills, while men are usually grunts. Do we have sexual equality? More or less, there probably will be discrimination somewhere along the way, but we're all human. I don't think that if a woman is qualified for some sort of work, and she applies for a job, some less qualified man will take the job. If they're both as qualified, well, I guess their sex is the tiebreaker.

However, one thing that really pisses me off is those who go past equality. Meaning that they don't demand equality, they demand to have more benefits or some sort of special treatment just because they're women.

*giggle* Eastern's worse right now, and has always been pretty bad. Ever heard of female infanticide? I also suggest this. Just thought I'd clear that up, I found the fact you disregarded eastern discrimination kinda cute though :]




Agree 100% with second paragraph. Same applies to any minority who does that.

Women have a series of strengths, as do men. Men are better suited to physical labor, logical reasoning, stuff like that. Women tend to be better at nonphysical labor, creative reasoning, etc. I honestly think it's ridiculous to call "discrimination" if you say, for example, that women can't serve in the military. There's a damn good reason for that, and that's that men have an easier time adjusting to the physical and mental demands of the military, making them better soldiers. This is not to say that women don't have jobs that they're better at, but if a man were to raise a fuss he'd be called a chauvinist pig, which is really disgusting IMO.

BTW, discrimination exists in copious amounts, especially when people managing/hiring are older/more attached to the prefeminism ideals. I'd cite examples, but it's kinda like "oh they are mean because she's a woman" which is harder to hold, and I fully expect someone to tell me I'm wrong over that. I do have them, though...

Weismic, I think there's some jobs that women are better suited for, it's just that the fine amount of discrimination keeps men from being outdone in these jobs.



Dunno about that...more women are handling things on their own. Maybe on dates only.

We have legal equality, we just have to get people to stop hating on each other, on both ways. Political reform, etc. is outdated and needs to die now (for all forms of discrimination, in fact...the gov't is doing too much with its intervention and quotas). Now if you want to be a feminist you've just got to live by certain ideals, try to make people with outmoded ideas see better, and STOP THINKING THAT WEARING MENS' CLOTHES GIVES YOU EQUALITY VLKJASDFKLJASDF;L. Christ, man (woman?), jumping into the male gender role is the least feminist thing you could do, but there's too many damn girls who wear T-shirts and pants because female clothes are degrading or summat. Christ, wear a damn skirt for the women's lib movement, stop rejecting sexuality towards men because men are equal (I know a girl I'm pretty sure actually does this, she seems straight enough to me but she will absolutley not admit sexual interest in men...she's actually got this big antisex kick, probably because it degrades her into a sexual object...), whatever. Actually, equally annoying are the people who exceed their actual sexual interest because they have this concept that sexuality is power. It's power in the sense that guys will want to screw you blue, but I don't actually know that you get anywhere socially like that. Be yourself, feminist chicks! You're politically equal, and if you find a nice enough guy, socially equal too. Enough ranting, though...



I think it depends on how the quotas are going. I think given a free choice, the employer is more likely to pick men in that situation, and to pay them more, so if there's room to do it, they will. But affirimative actionesque quotas will switch the thing over after a point. This btw, is the most ridiculous concept ever...yes, employers shouldn't discriminate on sex (unless it's a job that one sex is better suited to naturally), but making them have to discriminate the other way isn't exactly a good solution...

In conclusion, I need to get some sort of political blog or summat.

You know what I decided would be a good idea? Make everyone wear fat suits so that we all look the same, then implant a voice morpher so that our voices are all one gender.

Its brilliant.

Bad Idea... it would get hot and sweaty in there, and we wouldn't know who's our family and friends and then osama could get away with more shit than ever.

Can I buy some pot off of you?

Sure.

Thanks.
Got to keep this on the dl, know what I'm saying?

...no shit. Clearly there are places where women are obviously treated as second class citizens. We don't need to discuss that here.


It doesn't make you dependent to bum a free meal from a date, it just means you're taking advantage of old tradition. If a guy spilts, or lets the woman take the bill on a date, he's less likly to get what every guy wants (think hard for a moment, or find your ).


Nobody even brought up feminists... it sounds like you're just trying to repeate a article you read.

Kame has a point, there's no need to totally conform, it's what makes life interesting... the problem is, nobody said conforming was good in this thread.

Putting the word in general makes the statement totally worthless. How you're brought up is the big reason for why you're good at certain things. So really it doesn't matter what sex you are, unless women are brought up diffrent than men. Which today is unlikly, since most parents tell their children what to do anymore, as they're busy working. The part about the social skills, I totally disagree with... like you have no idea. Maybe it's something in the water?

As far as job interviews go, the more professional you look (sometimes more appropriate for the job, but usually professional is the same thing) the better your chances. The handshake is crutial. No employer thinks he's going to get off with his employees anymore, they made a law. That, in essance, takes away any incentive for hiring based on gender. Be realistic, how many times do you hear about employers being accused of sexist employment?

PS: I reached my limit of stupid posts too quickly, so I'm going to change it to mind bogglingly retarded posts.

lol whenever I see a post of PsychoTemplar I see that stoned M&M and think that's psycho, but then he gives these in depth stories, I just think it's funny... his sig too

stop spamming the topic.

Generally meaning that I know there are those who the statement does not apply. Maybe I should have said that girls tend to have better social skills. Maybe it's that I go to an all boy's school, but I see that girls are usually more...outgoing than guys. If the averages of our grades are any indication, girls tend to do better at languages, and guys at math. Of course, the actual sample could be biased, as it comes from students I know well, which is limited to a few private schools in Toronto.

I better shut up now.

I just really hate drawing conclusions from statistics (especially samples), it never works out from my experience.

An all boys school? That must suck.

I was pointing out that you made it sound like the problem was western.



Did I say it made you dependent? I said that women are tending to pay for things more. And your second sentence shows that you only deal with shallow girls, and only want sex out of a relationship. I've had girls practically raised a fit when I insisted that I cover the entire bill, basically leading to me holding them back while I paid.



Wrong on both counts...let's see..."However, one thing that really pisses me off is those who go past equality." While not a direct reference, and perhaps not intended as one, it sounds like the stupid feminist role to me. Fish don't need a bike, and what not. And, unlike your perception, I actually work out my ideas on my own instead of spitting out articles. I've never read an article on feminism, never taken a class, just looked at feminists I know, looked at the social condition, and thought about it. I suggest you try that out when creating ideas, hm?



There's biological/physiological differences galore. Talk to a psychologist/neurologist/biologist about differences between genders, then come back. Women would have better social skills logically, cuz they raise children in a natural role and therefore human interaction/emotion is more important, while men tend to be the hunters and interact less with the children. These differences can be overcome but they're there whether you want to believe you're more awkward socially than a girl or not.

An article to help you out: developmental differences between males and females



Cuz all employers are gay/female, right? Men, in a nonrestricted scenario, have a better chance of getting a job due to gender role differences. In fact, if you remove the quota system, WASPs will get the jobs over and over even if they're a bit less qualified. Case in point, my mother, minority female, gets the most crap even though she's one of the most qualified professors (she teaches at UNC Greensboro) in her department.

Your post reads like you're either trolling, with basically every response to me being "BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT GO AWAY." Have a good reason why? Or is this just an "I have a bigger e- " thing?