Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-23 at 14:31:25
I say Censor Censorship.
Don't get me wrong, some of it should remain censored, like a 5 year old should not be watching passion of the christ. That movie is beyond bloody. But cussing is the major one I have trouble with. I guess I could understand gore, and sex. But cussing, no. That's bullshit.
You see, many people who are with censorship, say cussing should be censored, because it causes anger. They have of course, been proven wrong with this, so they then relied on the way "It sounds." Which is also pure bullshit, because let me ask you something:
If you're worrying about the way it "Sounds." How come you don't bitch about other things that sound bad. Like, nails on a chalk board, or really really bad music. How comes THOSE are not censored. They sound pretty bad to me.
Most censorship is pure perception. Opinions. And America is supposed to be a country full of different opinions, and cultures. If you don't like the way humanity talks, big deal. Grow some balls, people say
, shit, and all these words all the god damn time. Opinions that try to silence other opinions with little or no proof at all, are down right stupid ass opinions.
Don't get me wrong, some of it should remain censored, like a 5 year old should not be watching passion of the christ. That movie is beyond bloody. But cussing is the major one I have trouble with. I guess I could understand gore, and sex. But cussing, no. That's bullshit.
You see, many people who are with censorship, say cussing should be censored, because it causes anger. They have of course, been proven wrong with this, so they then relied on the way "It sounds." Which is also pure bullshit, because let me ask you something:
If you're worrying about the way it "Sounds." How come you don't bitch about other things that sound bad. Like, nails on a chalk board, or really really bad music. How comes THOSE are not censored. They sound pretty bad to me.
Most censorship is pure perception. Opinions. And America is supposed to be a country full of different opinions, and cultures. If you don't like the way humanity talks, big deal. Grow some balls, people say
, shit, and all these words all the god damn time. Opinions that try to silence other opinions with little or no proof at all, are down right stupid ass opinions.Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-23 at 14:44:03
I guess these cuss words offend certain people. Like the F word, if you say YOU, it's like saying "Go screw yourself!" in a harsh way. With the S word, if you say THIS TASTES LIKE SHIT, you're basically saying something sucks in a very harsh and offensive way. I dunno really, some people are just wired that way.
Offtopic: why did u take off your avatar pic of urself? I thought u looked pretty funny
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YOU, it's like saying "Go screw yourself!" in a harsh way. With the S word, if you say THIS TASTES LIKE SHIT, you're basically saying something sucks in a very harsh and offensive way. I dunno really, some people are just wired that way.Offtopic: why did u take off your avatar pic of urself? I thought u looked pretty funny
.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-23 at 15:19:46
Ya, I did too. But the picture of me was too lame for me to even look at. A man can only handle so much lameness in one day. Besides, that was taken 2 years ago when I was 16. Next picture you'll see of me, will be more updated. And it wouldn't be me doing a stupid ass pose either.
BTW, Mill - I love your signature. Cracks me up almost every single time I see it.
BTW, Mill - I love your signature. Cracks me up almost every single time I see it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-06-23 at 16:58:32
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 23 2005, 10:31 AM)
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QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 23 2005, 10:31 AM)
Opinions that try to silence other opinions with little or no proof at all, are down right stupid ass opinions.
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You notice that your trying to silence the opinion of censorship with little/ no proof at all? are you saying that your opinions are down right stupid ass opinions?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-23 at 17:13:30
This site has a lot of censorship. You're not allowed to say what you think about a lot of things, one of them being the competence of moderators. To me, saying this is bloody stupid, is the same as saying this is ing stupid. Why don't I say bloody? I'm not British.
Why is a certain man who's name starts with a d censored, yet bitch is not?
Why do I use swear words? It just doesn't cut it to tell someone something, after they've pissed you off immensly without using swears.
MA, those have got to be the worst examples you could possibly give. If you tell someone to go screw herself, instead of saying go yourself, is she going to kick you in the nuts any harder? No. However, if you say I ing hate you, instead of I hate you, there's certainly a diffrence, that needs to be there to get the point across.
I think a big reason swears are censored at these forums, is because no one wants to read, " U ASSHOLE! I HATE U SO MUCH" without any reason at all. But there are a lot of people who use swearing appropriatly, and with comical intent.
ing stupid. Why don't I say bloody? I'm not British.Why is a certain man who's name starts with a d censored, yet bitch is not?
Why do I use swear words? It just doesn't cut it to tell someone something, after they've pissed you off immensly without using swears.
MA, those have got to be the worst examples you could possibly give. If you tell someone to go screw herself, instead of saying go
yourself, is she going to kick you in the nuts any harder? No. However, if you say I ing hate you, instead of I hate you, there's certainly a diffrence, that needs to be there to get the point across.I think a big reason swears are censored at these forums, is because no one wants to read, "
U ASSHOLE! I HATE U SO MUCH" without any reason at all. But there are a lot of people who use swearing appropriatly, and with comical intent.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-23 at 21:40:44
QUOTE(Rhiom @ Jun 23 2005, 03:58 PM)
proven wroung? how so?
You notice that your trying to silence the opinion of censorship with little/ no proof at all? are you saying that your opinions are down right stupid ass opinions?
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You notice that your trying to silence the opinion of censorship with little/ no proof at all? are you saying that your opinions are down right stupid ass opinions?
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Proven wrong? This is how, most of our language is how you say it. And I can still insult people without cusswords, but not get censored, where as if I just said something like, "
ya man!" I would get in trouble. Thought everyone already knew this.Now for the other thing:
I'm guessing you don't know much about trigs. I'll use a simple trig example:
The thing was basically saying, all of X conditions (Opinions with lil or no proof at all) are bad conditions. In this case, we'll use X as "Switch One."
Condition = Switch one is set
Action = Clear switch one
Action = Preserve
Now you see, it does cancel it's self out, but once it does, it will cancel out all other ideas down the road. (Unless you somehow set switch one again, but that's why I put in preserve. A nice just incase)
That's it! I guess in short, the only thing I should've done was just say, this is the only exception. But I assumed everyone would make that connection. (Whoa, I just rhymed)
Psycho, you trying to imply that we need to censor the words on this forum because they LOOK bad? I thought we had to censor them to make whining parents happy. I can still tell what you were saying, infact with "censored" faces, it looks like the words are said in anger.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-23 at 22:08:32
No... I'm saying exactly what a I wrote. The angry smilies were only there because I was using them as examples, to anyone who's heard them before, you know what they mean, to people who havn't they'll have no idea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-23 at 22:25:35
People who never heard the words before, won't be offended by them because they won't know what they mean. So, again, are you hating the words because of the way they "LOOK"?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-23 at 23:07:02
Who said I hated the words...?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 00:16:10
Sorry if for assuming you did. It was mainly directed towards the people who do hate those words.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 00:30:58
I was agreeing with you. I think swearing is an important part of communication.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 00:35:28
Oh, sorry for the miscommunication. No hard feelings, I apologize.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2005-06-24 at 22:57:46
hey if shut up is sort of offending then how come shut down isnt? lol its the exact oppisite of it instead of up its down!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 23:13:13
Wow...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-06-25 at 21:19:29
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 23 2005, 05:40 PM)
That's it! I guess in short, the only thing I should've done was just say, this is the only exception. But I assumed everyone would make that connection. (Whoa, I just rhymed)
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why do you get an exception to the rule that you made when no one else does?
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 23 2005, 08:16 PM)
Sorry if for assuming you did. It was mainly directed towards the people who do hate those words.
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QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 23 2005, 08:30 PM)
I was agreeing with you. I think swearing is an important part of communication.
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i agree that swearing is an important part of communication, but i also feel that 3/4 of the time that people swear nowadays is uncalled for. Swear words were traditionally reserved for when you most strongly feel that soemthing is wroung, people now a days on the other hand use it pretty much as everything short of a greeting. So are poeple suggesting that almost every moment of their lives they say with complete and utter conviction what they mean to say, and say it with the most strnegth they can mustter? somehow i dont think people think that passionately of their casual remarks. So should swearing be censored? i say for that 3/4 of the amount of time where it's used for no real reason at all then yes it should be censored, on the other hand, for that 1/4 it's important to convey feelings.
Sidenote: ever notice how when somoene swears who does not traditionally swear, their words seem to ahve more effect, this is because they use it in reserve so it catchs you more unprepared, also becuase you know that they arent usening swearing in the casual sens ethat many others use it in.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-25 at 22:02:23
As Rhiom said most of the time, at least for me, swearing is just casual. Like with good friends you might say wtf or something. But I don't think that should be censored so long as the other person doesn't really care. Most of the time when you swear casually the other person doesn't really notice it nor do they care. It's not like you say it to have a negative meaning at least in that context. But when you swear as an insult then it should be censored.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-26 at 01:00:05
Rhiom, I basically said the only exception to that rule, is the rule it's self. Is that so hard to understand?
So you're basically saying that those words are fine, except when used in anger? Cause if that's so, it seems more like you're trying to censor a way of expressing anger instead.
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i agree that swearing is an important part of communication, but i also feel that 3/4 of the time that people swear nowadays is uncalled for. Swear words were traditionally reserved for when you most strongly feel that soemthing is wroung, people now a days on the other hand use it pretty much as everything short of a greeting. So are poeple suggesting that almost every moment of their lives they say with complete and utter conviction what they mean to say, and say it with the most strnegth they can mustter? somehow i dont think people think that passionately of their casual remarks. So should swearing be censored? i say for that 3/4 of the amount of time where it's used for no real reason at all then yes it should be censored, on the other hand, for that 1/4 it's important to convey feelings.
So you're basically saying that those words are fine, except when used in anger? Cause if that's so, it seems more like you're trying to censor a way of expressing anger instead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-27 at 00:36:55
hey, you know whats funny, your all going off on this cencership thing...and your both activly involved in it. see, one person will say something and then the other person will quote it, but most of the time its not the hole quote, and then say something about it and then the first person quotes it, again mostly not the hoel quote, and comments....its the samething done by the cencership people. isnt that funny.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-27 at 00:44:12
You know, I'm just starting to think you're spamming, since that post made no sense at all. I tend to move away from swears, and discourage my friends from doing it, at least around me. ^.^
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-27 at 00:50:24
see right there. your cencering my post. not in a " thou shalt not" way, but it is there. im sorry if it made no sence, im trying to do 50 things at once.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-06-27 at 01:02:53
It made perfect sense. He's saying that when you're quoting them, you're censoring the post, but they're simply editing out everything but the root argument at base, well, hopefully. I'm going to read this thread over and see if he's right or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-06-27 at 01:56:03
koosh, since you're new to staredit, I think you should know that you need to use Spell check before typing. That way, most of your errers will be removed!
(misspelling intended)
Kooshtwo's first post is quite right. In more easily understood English, he's saying that you guys are talking about censorship in swearing and quoting each other's posts, but at the same time, you are "censoring" parts of their posts by only quoting ones you want to have in your "argument". He sees it as completely ironic of you guys wanting to demolish censorship but at the same time build censors up!
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Now for MY argument.
Some may people may have not realized this, but words are mearly symbols for tangible things. Let me put it in another way: if I say "flower", an image comes to your mind. Why? Because that is the object used as a symbol. If I were to say the "definition" of a flower, such as "a stem with petals", you could ask, "What's a petal"? Then we could go in an infinite loop with words because words by themselves are meaningless. Therefore, saying any "cuss" words does not have any meanings on their own, but the symbols behind them, correct?
Tell me the differences between these pairs of phrases I am about to give you:
Have to do for your country::Your patriotic duty
Firm in decisions::stubborn
social::chatty
enthusiastic::obsessed
Well, we all know that they're different. But wait, doesn't each pair of phrases mean the same thing? They do! But, what makes them different? Their connotations make them different! One means positive, one means negative.
"Cuss" words are "bad" because of how they are used. If "Shit" in zwahilee meant "Hi" in English, then we shouldn't be surprised if they all said "Shit Alpha!". The protestors use "how they sound" because usually such words are used when angry.
All these stupid opinons. "Don't do bad things" "No drugs" "No violence" "Respect other's property" "Don't insult the canadian admin". It's just another way to for Uncle Sam to buckle down on us. I say we silence all other opinions so that we're right!
(misspelling intended)
Kooshtwo's first post is quite right. In more easily understood English, he's saying that you guys are talking about censorship in swearing and quoting each other's posts, but at the same time, you are "censoring" parts of their posts by only quoting ones you want to have in your "argument". He sees it as completely ironic of you guys wanting to demolish censorship but at the same time build censors up!
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Now for MY argument.
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I say Censor Censorship.
Don't get me wrong, some of it should remain censored, like a 5 year old should not be watching passion of the christ. That movie is beyond bloody. But cussing is the major one I have trouble with. I guess I could understand gore, and sex. But cussing, no. That's bullshit.
Interesting theory.Don't get me wrong, some of it should remain censored, like a 5 year old should not be watching passion of the christ. That movie is beyond bloody. But cussing is the major one I have trouble with. I guess I could understand gore, and sex. But cussing, no. That's bullshit.
QUOTE
You see, many people who are with censorship, say cussing should be censored, because it causes anger. They have of course, been proven wrong with this, so they then relied on the way "It sounds."
Cussing does cause anger. But of course, if you random say these words in a monotone voice, they do not cause anger; they would cause confusion instead. You'll see my argument in just a bit. QUOTE
They have of course, been proven wrong with this, so they then relied on the way "It sounds." Which is also pure bullshit, because let me ask you something:
If you're worrying about the way it "Sounds." How come you don't bitch about other things that sound bad. Like, nails on a chalk board, or really really bad music. How comes THOSE are not censored. They sound pretty bad to me.
I don't have to listen to nails on a chalk board, and those who have to hear nails on a chalkboard every day would surely "bitch" about it. Then you say "well really bad music isn't censored". You have just hit my argument head on!If you're worrying about the way it "Sounds." How come you don't bitch about other things that sound bad. Like, nails on a chalk board, or really really bad music. How comes THOSE are not censored. They sound pretty bad to me.
Some may people may have not realized this, but words are mearly symbols for tangible things. Let me put it in another way: if I say "flower", an image comes to your mind. Why? Because that is the object used as a symbol. If I were to say the "definition" of a flower, such as "a stem with petals", you could ask, "What's a petal"? Then we could go in an infinite loop with words because words by themselves are meaningless. Therefore, saying any "cuss" words does not have any meanings on their own, but the symbols behind them, correct?
Tell me the differences between these pairs of phrases I am about to give you:
Have to do for your country::Your patriotic duty
Firm in decisions::stubborn
social::chatty
enthusiastic::obsessed
Well, we all know that they're different. But wait, doesn't each pair of phrases mean the same thing? They do! But, what makes them different? Their connotations make them different! One means positive, one means negative.
"Cuss" words are "bad" because of how they are used. If "Shit" in zwahilee meant "Hi" in English, then we shouldn't be surprised if they all said "Shit Alpha!". The protestors use "how they sound" because usually such words are used when angry.
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Most censorship is pure perception. Opinions. And America is supposed to be a country full of different opinions, and cultures. If you don't like the way humanity talks, big deal. Grow some balls, people say , shit, and all these words all the god damn time. Opinions that try to silence other opinions with little or no proof at all, are down right stupid ass opinions.
Yes America is full of opinions. They're all wrong too. I mean come on, they're so religiously biased. "Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill", all this stupid churchy stuff. "Toleration", phht yeah; like we should tolerate those people who speak British.All these stupid opinons. "Don't do bad things" "No drugs" "No violence" "Respect other's property" "Don't insult the canadian admin". It's just another way to for Uncle Sam to buckle down on us. I say we silence all other opinions so that we're right!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-29 at 11:50:10
yeh, i know i cant spell, but the mind only reads the first and last latter in the word so if i get those right, then im on...lol 
well, cencership will always be there, sometimes, it will be not as bad( like on this site) and somethins it will be very ridged. but cencership only works for thr written word, or government owned movies.if your walking down the street and you pass two people talking, when they swear its not going to beeb itself out. also the tpic that they are disscussing will not be eddted. they could be talking about screwiong someones mom, and you wuold hear whatever part they are talking about when you pass, it will not be changed.
well, cencership will always be there, sometimes, it will be not as bad( like on this site) and somethins it will be very ridged. but cencership only works for thr written word, or government owned movies.if your walking down the street and you pass two people talking, when they swear its not going to beeb itself out. also the tpic that they are disscussing will not be eddted. they could be talking about screwiong someones mom, and you wuold hear whatever part they are talking about when you pass, it will not be changed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-29 at 15:48:21
QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Jun 27 2005, 12:56 AM)
koosh, since you're new to staredit, I think you should know that you need to use Spell check before typing. That way, most of your errers will be removed!
(misspelling intended)
Kooshtwo's first post is quite right. In more easily understood English, he's saying that you guys are talking about censorship in swearing and quoting each other's posts, but at the same time, you are "censoring" parts of their posts by only quoting ones you want to have in your "argument". He sees it as completely ironic of you guys wanting to demolish censorship but at the same time build censors up!
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Now for MY argument.
Interesting theory.Cussing does cause anger. But of course, if you random say these words in a monotone voice, they do not cause anger; they would cause confusion instead. You'll see my argument in just a bit. I don't have to listen to nails on a chalk board, and those who have to hear nails on a chalkboard every day would surely "bitch" about it. Then you say "well really bad music isn't censored". You have just hit my argument head on!
Some may people may have not realized this, but words are mearly symbols for tangible things. Let me put it in another way: if I say "flower", an image comes to your mind. Why? Because that is the object used as a symbol. If I were to say the "definition" of a flower, such as "a stem with petals", you could ask, "What's a petal"? Then we could go in an infinite loop with words because words by themselves are meaningless. Therefore, saying any "cuss" words does not have any meanings on their own, but the symbols behind them, correct?
Tell me the differences between these pairs of phrases I am about to give you:
Have to do for your country::Your patriotic duty
Firm in decisions::stubborn
social::chatty
enthusiastic::obsessed
Well, we all know that they're different. But wait, doesn't each pair of phrases mean the same thing? They do! But, what makes them different? Their connotations make them different! One means positive, one means negative.
"Cuss" words are "bad" because of how they are used. If "Shit" in zwahilee meant "Hi" in English, then we shouldn't be surprised if they all said "Shit Alpha!". The protestors use "how they sound" because usually such words are used when angry.
Yes America is full of opinions. They're all wrong too. I mean come on, they're so religiously biased. "Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill", all this stupid churchy stuff. "Toleration", phht yeah; like we should tolerate those people who speak British.
All these stupid opinons. "Don't do bad things" "No drugs" "No violence" "Respect other's property" "Don't insult the canadian admin". It's just another way to for Uncle Sam to buckle down on us. I say we silence all other opinions so that we're right!
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(misspelling intended)
Kooshtwo's first post is quite right. In more easily understood English, he's saying that you guys are talking about censorship in swearing and quoting each other's posts, but at the same time, you are "censoring" parts of their posts by only quoting ones you want to have in your "argument". He sees it as completely ironic of you guys wanting to demolish censorship but at the same time build censors up!
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Now for MY argument.
Interesting theory.Cussing does cause anger. But of course, if you random say these words in a monotone voice, they do not cause anger; they would cause confusion instead. You'll see my argument in just a bit. I don't have to listen to nails on a chalk board, and those who have to hear nails on a chalkboard every day would surely "bitch" about it. Then you say "well really bad music isn't censored". You have just hit my argument head on!
Some may people may have not realized this, but words are mearly symbols for tangible things. Let me put it in another way: if I say "flower", an image comes to your mind. Why? Because that is the object used as a symbol. If I were to say the "definition" of a flower, such as "a stem with petals", you could ask, "What's a petal"? Then we could go in an infinite loop with words because words by themselves are meaningless. Therefore, saying any "cuss" words does not have any meanings on their own, but the symbols behind them, correct?
Tell me the differences between these pairs of phrases I am about to give you:
Have to do for your country::Your patriotic duty
Firm in decisions::stubborn
social::chatty
enthusiastic::obsessed
Well, we all know that they're different. But wait, doesn't each pair of phrases mean the same thing? They do! But, what makes them different? Their connotations make them different! One means positive, one means negative.
"Cuss" words are "bad" because of how they are used. If "Shit" in zwahilee meant "Hi" in English, then we shouldn't be surprised if they all said "Shit Alpha!". The protestors use "how they sound" because usually such words are used when angry.
Yes America is full of opinions. They're all wrong too. I mean come on, they're so religiously biased. "Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill", all this stupid churchy stuff. "Toleration", phht yeah; like we should tolerate those people who speak British.
All these stupid opinons. "Don't do bad things" "No drugs" "No violence" "Respect other's property" "Don't insult the canadian admin". It's just another way to for Uncle Sam to buckle down on us. I say we silence all other opinions so that we're right!
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Yes, let's silence all other opinions so that we're right.
If you're gonna censor cuss words because of their "negative" meaning, you're gonna need to censor a whole bunch of other "negative" words as well.
Koosh, I don't take the entire quote because of 2 major reasons:
A- The entire quote is IN the current thread.
B- It also makes it a lot easier to read and what understand what our point is. And if I DID lie about it or left some very important things out, the person could easily refer a link back to it and just basically bitch slap me in the face.
This time, I DID quote the entire thing, but that's kinda stupid of me, because the quote is about 2 things above this one. You know, it's REALLY hard to find.
BTW - You have the worst typos I've ever seen on the SEN forums so far.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-30 at 04:40:18
thanks. i see your point about the quoting, but some people quote only half of the things that we ment to say. thus is sencership. yeh, i know i typo all the time, but you get it anyway. you cant get banned for typos can you?