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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-23 at 22:01:50
We have been talking about sexism, and all boys school, so let's think about this. For the scenario, you have a girl

Would you send your child to an all girls school?
Would religous allignment play a factor?
How long would they be there?
Why would you send them?
Would money be an issue?
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Seriously people, think about it.

I would send my girl to an all girls school through 5th grade, and ask her if she wanted to go to a co-ed school. Yea, I'm going to be rich
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-23 at 23:55:04
If i had a girl, no i would not send her to all girl school. I want her to meet some boys and just have some fun
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 00:25:54
Would you send your child to an all girls school?
No, I think it's unhealthy to put someone in a world so sheltered.
Would religous allignment play a factor?
No, I'm not a strong believer, and don't follow and religion.
How long would they be there?
I would never allow it.
Why would you send them?
I wouldn't send them because I'd rather teach my kid the morals to be a good person, and not be sleezy, then see her taken advantage of later in life.
Would money be an issue?
Yes, since I probably won't have a huge amount of it.

I just don't believe it's good for a kids social health. Bring your kid up right, she'll do fine without the girls only school.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 00:28:09
I would post my opinions, but psycho basically already took the words right out of my mouth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SpaceBoy2000 on 2005-06-24 at 01:38:52
I probably would send my child to a private school, but only because of the fact that I dislike the current public school system in Ontario - too many strikes, and good teacher are really rare. Whether it's single gender or not, I don't know. Probably will be, considering that I am familier with all girls private schools more so than co-ed.

I'm an atheist, so no, religion does not play a part in this. They will probably stay there (as long as they don't dislike it) for as long as possible, meaning all the way to highschool. That said, if the public school system improves, they'll probably end up back in a public school, because hey, it's free, and they have access to more facilities.

Money? I don't know, I hope it won't be too much of a problem, because I plan to save up as much money as I have for my children. Regardless, since I haven't left school yet, I don't know.

QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 23 2005, 11:25 PM)
Would you send your child to an all girls school?
No, I think it's unhealthy to put someone in a world so sheltered.
How is it sheltered? Or are we going by stereotypes now?
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Why would you send them?
I wouldn't send them because I'd rather teach my kid the morals to be a good person, and not be sleezy, then see her taken advantage of later in life.
Again, explain this. Why would having your child make her sleazy? Or is this just a stereotype?
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 23 2005, 11:25 PM)
I just don't believe it's good for a kids social health. Bring your kid up right, she'll do fine without the girls only school.
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How it is bad for a kid's social health?

Heck, since I personlly go to an all boys private school, I might see thing a bit differently. But I do think that it all depends on the school itself. There are good public school, and there are bad ones. Same goes to the private schools.

From what I hear from friends in public schools right now, the teachers are quite...crappy (for a lack of a better term). Many hardly even know the subject well, much less teach it. I know I'm lucky to be in a school when teachers have Ph.Ds or Master's degree in their field, and most of my teachers can teach. I do know that some are utter BS though, but they do get fired within one or two years. Except my old tech teacher, who is my Physics teacher next year. He's a great guy, but heck, who the hell has a student mark his unit tests for him?!?

I think that's the problem with Ontario's public school system - we have too many bad teachers, and those who don't want to teach in the first place. Heck, if they refuse to take a quiz every few years on their knowledge of their subject, how the heck can we make sure they are teaching the right material? And they don't even get fired if they fail - they only have to write it again.

Ack, it's 1:40....I need sleep. Ciao.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SoulVision- on 2005-06-24 at 01:55:08
I don't know...

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 02:00:33
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 23 2005, 09:28 PM)
I would post my opinions, but psycho basically already took the words right out of my mouth.
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I agree with both of you.

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You sicken me..............

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 06:35:16
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I don't know <the rest has been editted out. Keep your sick fanatasies to yourself, perv>
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How dare you breathe our air. I PRAY for sarcasm. I'm PRAYING for it.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-24 at 08:49:27
Haha, troll!

Anyway, no, I don't really see why. Can someone explain the rationale to me, because I honestly can't imagine why an all girls school would be better. I can see advantages to private (the better teachers thing), but not to non co-ed, especially through younger years where kids tend to segregate anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-06-24 at 09:44:05
there are no allboy/girl schools in Riga? ermm.gif

Don't think I would anyway closedeyes.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-24 at 11:32:18
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I don't know <the rest has been editted out. Keep your sick fanatasies to yourself, perv>
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o m g LOL WTF!!

I wouldn't send her to all girls school because in my opinion that is destroying part of a person's social health.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-24 at 11:43:24
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I don't know <the rest has been editted out. Keep your sick fanatasies to yourself, perv>
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That is nasty tongue.gif . I could never imagine having sex with any of my family members yucky.gif

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-24 at 11:47:04
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 12:35:41
Why did everyone suddenly decide to quote something sick. If it was nobody wants to see it 5 ****ing times all the way down the page.

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How is it sheltered? Or are we going by stereotypes now?

She never talks to boys in her school, probably rarly with boys outside of her school.
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Again, explain this. Why would having your child make her sleazy? Or is this just a stereotype?

Okay, since you havn't had much experience with girls, let me put it to you simply. If some young virgin goes to college just after going to an all girls school, with no idea what guys are like, what do you think is going to happen? In my high school, there are a tonne of censored.gif s (I don't know if that's cesored or not, that's why I used the word sleazy). Why? Probably media influence, mostly because their parents just don't care about how they look. I'm not a stereotyping kind of guy. Everytime you say that it makes me want to knock you out and piss on your unconcious body, prep. That's why you don't have experience with normal kids.
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How it is bad for a kid's social health?

She won't know how to talk to boys, she'll be taken advatage by aggresive guys after she gets out of school, or if she happens to sneak out to see what it's like. It's better you learn a lesson early, than learn it later hard.

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Heck, since I personlly go to an all boys private school, I might see thing a bit differently. But I do think that it all depends on the school itself. There are good public school, and there are bad ones. Same goes to the private schools.

The thing about private schools is, you're being pampered. I've been to A LOT of schools in my day (I moved around every 2 years for awhile because my father was in the military) and I have to say, none of them are really bad or good in relation to eachother. Sure, my last school sank into a ravien because the architect was a failure, but apart from that it was good.
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From what I hear from friends in public schools right now, the teachers are quite...crappy (for a lack of a better term).

Your friends are just bitchy and can't think of anything else to talk about. The lack of teachers is defiantly a problem, but it teaches good survival skills, which are overall just as benificial.
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Many hardly even know the subject well, much less teach it. I know I'm lucky to be in a school when teachers have Ph.Ds or Master's degree in their field, and most of my teachers can teach.

A music teacher taught me History this semester, and I still know loads more than a lot of the people on this site =/
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I think that's the problem with Ontario's public school system - we have too many bad teachers, and those who don't want to teach in the first place.

I live in Ontario, I've gone to a school in toronto, kingston, and 2 in Ottawa (one elementy, the other Highschool). I don't see a problem with them, you're just whining.
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Heck, if they refuse to take a quiz every few years on their knowledge of their subject, how the heck can we make sure they are teaching the right material? And they don't even get fired if they fail - they only have to write it again.

Well, if we ever get enough teachers to have a layoff, they'll be high priority. The fact is, the ability to teach, is more important than the knowledge of the subject in highschool. When you get to University, they will know the subject inside out, that's why you pay them so much.

Everyone knew what I meant, but you. What does that say about private schools?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SpaceBoy2000 on 2005-06-24 at 23:59:17
Okay, I wrote a reply earlier, but after some thought, here's a more well thought out reply...

QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
The thing about private schools is, you're being pampered. I've been to A LOT of schools in my day (I moved around every 2 years for awhile because my father was in the military) and I have to say, none of them are really bad or good in relation to eachother. Sure, my last school sank into a ravien because the architect was a failure, but apart from that it was good.
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I agree with the part about being pampered. Especially with little kids - they whine, and then they get what they want. They whine about every damn thing, too much work, too much activity, etc. Of course, it is always only the same two or three kids, but hell, they get on your nerves. In the older grades (around grade 7-8 and up), you are generally ignored if you whine. Or laughed and and picked on. As a general rule of thumb, the most spoiled guy is the one who whines the most. After about a year, most guys learn to shut up, but of course, there are the few assholes who just can't stop yapping.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
Your friends are just bitchy and can't think of anything else to talk about. The lack of teachers is defiantly a problem, but it teaches good survival skills, which are overall just as benificial.
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Hmm, perhaps the problem lies with the fact that some students are too ignorant to learn, and teachers don't have any motivation to teach. Meaning, why bother teaching these kids well if they're not going to learn anything in the first place. As for survival skills, the best teachers I've had believed that it was up to us to find the information, to learn how to learn. He'd dump us with a topic to research, spend a class discussing it, and then it's a test the next day. If you do badly, well, tough, next time look at the topic better and listen more around you. Those were the teachers who taught us how to look for information, to back up our claims, and how to debate well.

The worst teacher I've had are those who rant on and on. Who don't teach, but just spit out information. For example, my accounting teacher from last year. We would do literally nothing for months. As in we'd sit there, listen to him yap about some company's newest scandal, and about the stock markets. And then, in May, he'd cram about 4 units of study into one month. And no, he didn't teach it, or even tell us in class. He'd post it up and the web the day before, and hand us a test the next day. And then complain that nobody knew it. Oh, and for the exam, he had questions which were missing have the data, questions that didn't add up, and a section which was from a university paper.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
A music teacher taught me History this semester, and I still know loads more than a lot of the people on this site =/
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I yield this point. As long as the teacher is compent, and know something about what he's teaching, it's fine. I do not think that a teachers must have a degree in the subject in question in order to teach the subject well, merely decent knowledge of it.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
Well, if we ever get enough teachers to have a layoff, they'll be high priority. The fact is, the ability to teach, is more important than the knowledge of the subject in highschool. When you get to University, they will know the subject inside out, that's why you pay them so much.
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True. I yield this point.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
She never talks to boys in her school, probably rarly with boys outside of her school.
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And what do you have to back this up? Just because a girl goes to an all girls school, does not mean that they do not talk or come in contact with the opposite sex. Most people do have a life outside of school, and if you only come in contact with the opposite sex at school, you're not much better off.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
Okay, since you havn't had much experience with girls, let me put it to you simply. If some young virgin goes to college just after going to an all girls school, with no idea what guys are like, what do you think is going to happen? In my high school, there are a tonne of  censored.gif s (I don't know if that's cesored or not, that's why I used the word sleazy). Why? Probably media influence, mostly because their parents just don't care about how they look. I'm not a stereotyping kind of guy. Everytime you say that it makes me want to knock you out and piss on your unconcious body, prep. That's why you don't have experience with normal kids.

She won't know how to talk to boys, she'll be taken advatage by aggresive guys after she gets out of school, or if she happens to sneak out to see what it's like. It's better you learn a lesson early, than learn it later hard.
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Look, all I'm saying is that most girls in schools, be it single gender or not, private or not, are NOT young naive virgins. Naive? Spoiled? Sleazy? Brats? Bitches? Some certainly are, but they are in the minority. Going to a private school only means that their parents wants their kids in one, for whatever reason, and can afford it. I'm certain most of the people who can afford private schools have a decent income of some sort, but by no means would I classify them as rich. There are certainly really really wealthy people with huge mansions living in the most prestigious parts of town, who donate millions every year. But most of us are just regular people. The fact that I am a recluse is of my own choice, and I am one of the only guys in the school who does not go out, who is basically anti-social. But it is of my own choosing, as I prefer to spend my time studying and working. Most other guys go out with girls, go to parties, get stinking drunk/high, etc.
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Everyone knew what I meant, but you. What does that say about private schools?
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I knew what you meant. But I am challenging you on the point that single gender schools are detrimental for the social health of kids. Plus, we need something to debate on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-25 at 00:40:32
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And what do you have to back this up? Just because a girl goes to an all girls school, does not mean that they do not talk or come in contact with the opposite sex. Most people do have a life outside of school, and if you only come in contact with the opposite sex at school, you're not much better off.

No, I have not only met girls at school, but the majority I have. Saying come in contact, has to be about the lamest thing you could say, and is rather insulting.

The whole point of a girls or boys only school, is to keep them away from the opposite sex for as long as possible. If they do their job right, yeah, they shouldn't.

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Look, all I'm saying is that most girls in schools, be it single gender or not, private or not, are NOT young naive virgins.

Oh, you've had experience?

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Some certainly are, but they are in the minority.

The majority of girls at my school, are ****s... It's a word girls like to call each other when they get pissy.
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I knew what you meant.

I don't believe you.
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Plus, we need something to debate on.

That would be called, a waste of my time.

PS: I might have missed a few points in your rants, if they're just to debate even though you know you're wrong, don't waste my time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SpaceBoy2000 on 2005-06-25 at 01:39:00
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No, I have not only met girls at school, but the majority I have. Saying come in contact, has to be about the lamest thing you could say, and is rather insulting.

The whole point of a girls or boys only school, is to keep them away from the opposite sex for as long as possible. If they do their job right, yeah, they shouldn't.
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Hmm, then I guess I am a tad...different. I went to a private school mainly because the public school would not sccept me - I was a day too young. Yes, one day. So instead of repeating a grade, I went to a private school, and it so happened that the nearest non-religious private school was an all boys school.

If the aim of the parent is to keep the child away from the opposite sex away from them as long as possible, then I agree wholeheartedly that it is bad for his/her social health. But that doesn't really happen at my school - plays, dances, movies, misc events, etc are usually co-ed.
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Oh, you've had experience?
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And when have I said I haven't?
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The majority of girls at my school, are ****s... It's a word girls like to call each other when they get pissy.
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Good for them, I don't go to your school - how the hell should I know?
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PS: I might have missed a few points in your rants, if they're just to debate even though you know you're wrong, don't waste my time.
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I can't say if I'm right or wrong, isn't that what this debate is supposed to determine?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-25 at 01:46:33
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And when have I said I haven't?

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The fact that I am a recluse is of my own choice, and I am one of the only guys in the school who does not go out, who is basically anti-social.


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Good for them, I don't go to your school - how the hell should I know?

Why would I tell you something you do know? I'm explaining why you're wrong, not insulting your intelligence.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SpaceBoy2000 on 2005-06-25 at 01:58:01
Just because I'ma recluse does not mean I have no "experience". Just because I am anti-social does not mean I don't know any girls.

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Why would I tell you something you do know? I'm explaining why you're wrong, not insulting your intelligence.
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Okay. Point yielded.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-25 at 11:31:12
All girls/boys school do not shelter themselves from the other sex...we have one here, and they have a 'sister' school that goes to the same dances, the football games, the school activities etc, you just don't see them in the classroom.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-06-26 at 14:38:30
Would you send your child to an all girls school?

Absolutely not.

Would religous allignment play a factor?

Religious unalignment would. Meaning that I would not send them to a Christian, Jewish, etc. school.

Would money be an issue?

Absolutely not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-06-26 at 17:28:56
I chose "no." I don't think I'd even send her to any private school, either. I figure that there's no real need to try to protect my daughter from a co-ed school. No matter where she goes, she'll still meet really interesting people along with the occasional asshole. Its not a religious or economic issue, I just feel that a very restrictive environment isn't that great. And then again, I'd keep my relationship with my daughter very open so if she wants she can choose to go to an all girl's school. I'd only be setting up the start of her life and letting her go from there if that makes any sense.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-27 at 01:58:00
Although I didn't get a reply to my query, the reasoning behind sending someone to a single sex school seems to me to be classroom isolation as opposed to total isolation. I'm still not sure what the overall aim of this is supposed to be...is it avoiding distraction? I don't think I'd send my daughter to any private school except in special circumstances, not having had a bad experience in public education and learning some things that I don't think you really learn elsewhere, but I'd like to know the motivation.

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That would be called, a waste of my time.


If debate is a waste of your time, why even post here?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-27 at 02:10:03
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If debate is a waste of your time, why even post here?

Think carefully about his argument. I'll give you a hint since you're a little dense. It starts with an "H" and ends with a "e said he didn't even believe in it."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-27 at 03:42:59
The only time he even comes close to saying that is:

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If the aim of the parent is to keep the child away from the opposite sex away from them as long as possible, then I agree wholeheartedly that it is bad for his/her social health. But that doesn't really happen at my school - plays, dances, movies, misc events, etc are usually co-ed.


Note the second half says that he doesn't see this, so one infers that you were entirely wrong about the aim of these things. His argument is better summed up as:

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...I am challenging you on the point that single gender schools are detrimental for the social health of kids.


Take a course on reading comprehension, then you can start calling me dense.
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