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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-23 at 22:04:29
Are you patriotic to your country? Choose your answer and explain yourself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-23 at 22:17:45
I chose "Yes, if I see a problem, I try to make a difference."

I see nothing wrong with being patriotic towards your country, as long as it doesn't lead to anything violent or doing something wrong. If I disagree with something I would surely try to make a difference, but I think you should at least enjoy living in your country and having patriotism shows your support for your country and your spirit. I think patriotism can be fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-23 at 23:53:51
I am a patriot, I picked first option

I'm proud of the country i live in.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 00:19:17
I'm patriotic of no country today. Only place I'm patriotic about, is Earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 00:28:44
I'm not very patriotic. Admitedly, I'm happy to see Canadian accomplishments, but I'd rather be completly unbiased when making decisions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 02:13:58
I chose Indiferent.

I am patriotic to this country, when we actually have freedoms. Right now, we do not (Patriot act takes them all away) You don't have freedom of speech anymore, you don't have privacy anymore, ever since this "War on Terrorism" our rights as US Citizens are getting stripped day by day...

The only terrorists we should be fighting, is ourselves.......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-24 at 03:03:57
mmmm I wonder which option I picked.

I will let you guys geuss becuase most of you already know the answer happy.gif

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Some Folks were born, made to raise the flag, ohh the red, white and blue!


Thats pretty much me and my views. I try and support my President and actually try and step into HIS shoes and view the decisions he has to make and they are tough ones.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-24 at 04:13:06
I'm not a patriot in terms of supporting my gov't actions. That's not how I define patriot though.

I consider myself patriotic because I think about how to help my country. Every time I stand up against something the government wants to do, it's because I honestly believe it's bad for the country. And being american, that's my right and priviledge.

I'll accept rationale for the government's decisions, but it doesn't mean I think they're right or good for the country. And that's what, in the end, patriotism is about for me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-24 at 07:09:52
I am a patriot towards my country. But I am not a patriot of my country's government, which I think is quickly beoming a police state.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-06-24 at 09:49:27
patriotic for this country? bleh! never. the evil bitches -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-24 at 12:27:55
Patriotism, Nationalism, Jingoism ... all ways of making people love their country and at the same time hate other countries. Ideas like these are useless in today's world and need to be stopped wherever possible.

Here are some ideas people should practice which are common antonyms to those ideas: Objectivity, Liberality, open-mindedness, and impartiality. Only through adapting these ideas can the people of this world finally stop arguing and warring with each other.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-06-24 at 12:45:15
Too many Americans are option 1.. "If your president does it it must be right."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 12:50:39
Chu, do you realise that those all mean exactly the same thing? Synonyms don't make your point any more meaniful.

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And being american, that's my right and priviledge.

Right is completly diffrent from a privilage, and really, it should be your duty. But too many Americans are happy with knowing that they could do something if they really felt like it.

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I try and support my President and actually try and step into HIS shoes and view the decisions he has to make and they are tough ones.

For $400,000 U.S. a year he better have some hard decisions to make. I've stepped into your presidents shoes, and they're damn shiney... except for the black oil that's drenching them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-24 at 13:23:57
I don't see how anyone could vote for the first option. What if your "ruler" was an evil dictator who performs mass genocide? Would you support him then? Even if the president made some very good decisions, but then he makes one decision that is totally wrong, would you still support him?

Option 1 just seems like you have no opinion of your own. It doesn't allow for you to disagree with what your ruler does. When compared to the second option, option 1 says even if you do disagree with the decision you won't do anything about it.

Sure you would want to support your ruler in whatever he does since it's for the best, but only after analyzing carefully his reasons and motives for his decision. I'm sure all decisions a ruler makes aren't always going to be ones that are the best.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-24 at 13:23:58
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:50 AM)
Chu, do you realise that those all mean exactly the same thing? Synonyms don't make your point any more meaniful.
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Last time I checked, they all had their differences.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 13:29:10
Liberality: The quality or state of being liberal or generous.
(Liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.)
Objectivity: The state or quality of being objective.
(Objective: Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.)
open-mindedness: Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others.
Impartiality: Not partial or biased; unprejudiced.

Explain to me how those are diffrent? They all in the end, refer to an unbiased decision.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-24 at 13:35:18
I don't have to, you just posted the definitions which show how they are different.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 13:47:27
Can you not go one post without pulling some stupid shit like this? Seriously, you've never said anything to me that is halfway decent.

I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE! That means you have to show it to me (or else I'll never know, and have one more reason to hate your guts), because they still all lead to an unbiased decision.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 14:10:35
QUOTE(chuiu_os @ Jun 24 2005, 09:27 AM)
Patriotism, Nationalism, Jingoism ... all ways of making people love their country and at the same time hate other countries.  Ideas like these are useless in today's world and need to be stopped wherever possible.

Here are some ideas people should practice which are common antonyms to those ideas:  Objectivity, Liberality, open-mindedness, and impartiality.  Only through adapting these ideas can the people of this world finally stop arguing and warring with each other.
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But in our country right now, if you have any of those, then you will be punished for it. We no longer have the right to do those things.....

QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 10:47 AM)
Can you not go one post without pulling some stupid shit like this? Seriously, you've never said anything to me that is halfway decent.

I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE! That means you have to show it to me (or else I'll never know, and have one more reason to hate your guts), because they still all lead to an unbiased decision.
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Why are you calling him stupid? He didn't do anything to show "stupidity". The only person who is showing "stupidity" would be yourself for calling him "stupid"

And now, to explain your definitions:
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Liberality: The quality or state of being liberal or generous.
(Liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.)
Objectivity: The state or quality of being objective.
(Objective: Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.)
open-mindedness: Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others.
Impartiality: Not partial or biased; unprejudiced.


If you have Liberality, you are in a state (usually of the mind) or you have qualities, of being liberal, or generous (generous is being nice, and sharing happy.gif)

Liberal means just what it says, you follow the Liberal views of your country, (The Bill of Rights)

If you have Objectivity, you are in a state (usually of the mind my friend) or have qualities of being objective (That is usually how everyone is in this forum)

Objective, is clearely what it says.

Open-Mindedness is having, or showing receptivness to new and different ideas (basicly saying you aren't ignorant, and will actually ponder the thought that a new idea, could be right) or the opinions of others (this basicly says that you listen to what people have to say, and think that it could possibly be right, without flamming them)

Impartiality basicly says, you are neutral.

Is that a good enough explaination for you? If you just read what they say, you would be able to see and understand the differences between them.

Good Day happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-24 at 14:12:58
I'm not going to explain why because of the fact you're being hostile towards me. I don't react well to people who yell or demand things of me like that. But go on hating me, I don't see why you have a reason to.

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QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 24 2005, 01:10 PM)
But in our country right now, if you have any of those, then you will be punished for it.  We no longer have the right to do those things.....
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I haven't been affected. I'm not being punished.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 14:18:46
All those things mean unbiased Kell. I wasn't calling him an idiot, I was saying all crap he's said to me, was stupid. Do you want me to tell you what the first thing he said to me was? And why I always have to assume the worst of him now?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-24 at 14:30:05
Assume the worst of me? You're constantly flaming and insulting others. I have to assume the worst of you before I read everyone of your posts. I know you want to call me an idiot, but you won't because you know you'll get warned for it and possibly suspended. Don't act like I'm the one acting stupid, I'm not the one insulting others and twisting words around to prove my points.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 14:31:53
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 24 2005, 11:18 AM)
All those things mean unbiased Kell. I wasn't calling him an idiot, I was saying all crap he's said to me, was stupid. Do you want me to tell you what the first thing he said to me was? And why I always have to assume the worst of him now?
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The only thing that is "unbiased" is the Impartiality.

The rest speak for themselves.

How is being Liberal, being "unbiased"? Being Liberal means that you follow the views that your country has created. Usually the laws they create. (are you saying laws are unbiased? That is a funny one)

So how are all of these, "unbiased"? I don't see how you get that, because "unbiased" from the dictionary, is this:

un·bi·ased also un·bi·assed
Without bias or prejudice; impartial. See Synonyms at fair1

So how is being Objective, "unbiased"? or even being Open-Minded?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-24 at 14:52:48
Liberal
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Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

This means that you do not base your opinions off of other views. AKA Unbiased
Objective
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Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices

This means other things don't affect your view. AKA Unbiased
Open-minded
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Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others.

This means you take everything into account... AKA An informed unbiased person. A biased person would look down on other views that disfavoured their own would they not?

Chu, if I wanted to call you an idiot, I would have. You're a jerk, and ever since that little MSN thing: "Oh, I want to use your ramp, but I'm going to change it and take credit. "You're not going to give it to me? Okay, I'll make my own" and you never did. That really ticks me off.

But whatever, if you really think I'm a pain, ban me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-24 at 15:51:58
WRONG.

I asked for the ramp because I planed on using it in a map and I planed on modifying it. You said I could use it as long as I give you credit and not modify it. Won't let me modify it to fit my needs? Fine I won't use it. But since your memory fails you, here is the chat conversation:

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[14:46] PsychoTemplar: ?
[14:46] Chuiu:  can I get a copy of the map with the reverse ramp you made?
[14:46] PsychoTemplar: >>
[14:46] PsychoTemplar: <<
[14:46] Chuiu: is that a yes/no/ or leave me alone im annoyed by you and your feeble requests
[14:47] PsychoTemplar: little a column A, little a column b
[14:47] PsychoTemplar: on one condition
[14:47] PsychoTemplar: You give me credit for the backwards ramp in the properties and you don't modify it
[14:47] PsychoTemplar: cool?
[14:47] Chuiu: i plan on modifying it, so if you wont give it to me then I'll just make my own :/
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