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Yes, its a serious topic.

I noticed something about internet flaming and arguements.

Whenever I have a fight with someone, I don't feel angry. Whenever my foe insults me really bad, I don't feel "pwn0rzed" or bad about it. Whenever I insult my foe, I don't feel any better or "1337er" then them (although, some people will say it for egotisical purposes).

When I shut off my computer, I don't feel anything from an arguement. Just that, I wasted my time arguing with someone elses opinion when it really could be valid.

This was a while back when I was young, and wasn't an admin of a map making super site.

But still. People flame and argue.

My question for you people (I know who you are) is, what do you honestly get out of it?

I just don't like to get made fun of, cause my reputation means alot to me. When someone flames me, I have to rebuttle, it's just in my nature. Sometimes the rebuttle includes a flame about the person, but I usually try not to (which is very hard for me cause I am a short tempered person)

But if there weren't "idiots" or "morons" then there wouldn't be flamming. If everyone had an open mind, and didn't think they were always right, there would be no flames.

But, this world is full of "stupid" and egotistical people, so there will always be flamming, no matter what the case....

I am an artist, and insults are my medium.

Honestly, actually. I honestly enjoy loosing a well put together flame on someone who can't rebutt it. I try to be nice to people usually, but if someone's being dumb and offensive, I don't just ignore them. Usually I try to avoid starting flame wars, but I've done it before.

I do try to keep logical arguments in my flames, though. Yelling "YO MOMMA" is dumb, but taking logic/evidence and thrashing a misguided viewpoint is fun in a way. I know it doesn't help change viewpoints, but I've given up on that anyway, so I might as well have some fun arguing, I figure.

Well, like Yoshi once said before, there's acutally a living human being right in front of the other screen.

Sometimes when someone say some harsh things, (bad things) that seem to reflect my real life, it really cuts me deep. They may be joking, or perhaps a friend of mine, but what they say can really hurt.

However, I don't really respond to flames by flaming back, I clarify myself if there is misunderstanding, but if they are just posting flames with irrelevant argument, then the 'third' party would know.

I generally is a more sensitive person when I'm not on cyberspace, but on the net, you can say something more openly, because you know the opposition will not directy harm you in any way. People swear and flame partly for this reason, or at least this contributes to it. They can say something, and then walk away with nothing or totally just throw some incompetent lines trying to be ignorant.

However, it doesn't work this way.


It's really hard to explain what I mean in words, perhaps someone with a similar 'mind' can comprehend the message I'm trying to get across.

Things like, the best band ever, the best movie ever, what color is the best, stuff like that, that is pure opinions. But stuff like, sid vicious was the best bassiest to ever play bass, is just down right stupid. (Because he never played bass, he was used 100% for image. I mean, they unplugged him live cause he was drugged out and bad) There's no opinion in that. Some things are a little bit more black than white, or vice versa. Not everything is 50/50 grey. I try to go for the higher number, and if that number is like 95 to 5, your opinion is just stupid. You got no room to speak. And if any one says my opinion on that statement is stupid, then they'll be a hypocrite.

What I'm trying to say is, Yoshi:
I don't like that part in the serious discussion where it says,

"Please be open minded. There is no right or wrong answer."

The open minded part is perfect. There other one is not.

that's why I usualy don't go flame arguing... but some times I just can't stand not posting T_T

"Please be open minded. There is no right or wrong answer."

Yes, it is true. No one yet as proove/disprooved religon.
No one yet has prooved/disprooved scientific theories; that's why they're still called theories.
No one yet has prooved/disprooved the war in Iraq is completely good or completely bad, as we all seem to agree that it was good getting Sadaam out, but from that point opinions very.
No one yet has decided what type patriotism is best.
No one yet has figured out a way to stop sexism/racism.
We're still discussing the logistics of any war...
and what the point of life is...
...the future [next gen fuel]...
...and the past [hiroshima]....

Thus far, I have to say this blanket comment for everyone who has touched this forum:
We are all still young, and do not know 100 percent of every side of every topic we discuss, and we may never; we may never set foot inside a science laboratory and watch them test absolute zero, we may never set foot inside a holy place and feel a god's presence, we may never fully figure out what the hell we're doing on this planet, and if the past wars could have been avoided. Savvy?

In closing, I'd like to repost this, since I'm sure a lot of people will stop by here...





and, if yoshi has a problem with it then he can tell me now 'cause he sees it!

And for the love of something holy, people....if you see a problem, spam, flame, post in bad taste...report it!

I try to be funny and piss people off when I argue with them, the only thing I ever get out of it is a good laugh.

Still...cant...get...over...not...flaming...somebody...when...i...shouldve....


Sort of like that...


I think you can defend yourself, or you'll regret being torn apart by the other person... Like I am.


But flamings dont affect me, unless its somebody I really know...

Everyone seems to overlook this statement made in this forum:



In the past, so many people kept bitching about how Religious topics are bad and SEN should do something about it (like moving them to garbage forums).

I feel for ya
Yea...I'm really touchy on illegal alcohol and drug use issues, and I try to make jokes about it (in the right setting, of course,) but that doesn't help, sometimes it makes me feel worse. I cannot stand talking to people under the influence of alcohol or drugs...some people I know very well have screwed their life up through that way. Telling people to go kill themselves also sends me off, as does making jokes about sexual abuse...like a guy did in a topic I was just looking at.

Read my signature and go to that post link.

I find a nicely written criticism far worse than a flame.

If someone comes at me and says:

"YOUR ARE A MORON CAUSE YOU STUPID AND ARE SO UN-1337 GO **** YOURSELF YOU ***HOLE", my usual response would be:

"Thats a nice flame you got there that doesn't do anything to achieve it's point. You don't have an argument proved with evidence therefore your flame is considered null and void. If you cannot provide those points in your flame, then please step away from the flamethrower as you are making yourself look like you are less than what you are."

That usually stabs them in the heart and they just keep minding their own business. Flaming is very inefficient, if you know how to counter it; the flamer would feel so useless that he would most probably never flame you.

That's no reason to overlook abuse.

oh yea, and what the beer keg said.

Well, I depends on my mood for the flame. Most of the time I am not really in the hot water with anybody. But, the thing that drives me up the wall when an ignorant person is trying to flame me. And then, can't back any of the things he/she said.

$ Screwed, I know how you feel. I was flamed on a different site and I know the people have and never will meet me. But, they said something that directly affects me and my family. Even though they had no idea what has happened to me. They really cut deep.

As for me flaming, it is more of a defense. I only remember 1 flame where I deliberatley set out to hurt someone(Very bad day at work = Bad day at home). He just caught me at a bad time and he flamed me. So, I let him have it. As for BeeR's responses, I usually lay those out occasionaly. It;s just funny afetr you talk to them ratioanlly and that peoson will either:
a.) Not respond anymore to that forum.
b.) Freak out at you some more.
c.) Or, actually listen and larn something.


Anyways, all I ranted on about is. Flaming on the interent is a waste of time and energy. Relax. Go and read a book or something.

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Note: I didn't read any of the other replys.


Since I've got a pretty high warn, and it's all for flaming, it's safe to assume you're talking in part to me. When someone is makes fun of a race/sex (in a degrading manner), show's ignorance to a really important event in history, or is spreading falsity, I consider it my duty to set them strait; or at least tell them why they're wrong. Why do I swear in the process? It shows them how angry and serious I am about the matter.

You always say something like "People don't realise there's a real person on the other side of the monitor". So is it really such a bad idea to show them that people don't like it when they act this way? I talk to people over the internet the way I would in person.

If someone says "All black people are evil" they're wrong, and I'm going to let them know. If someone laughs at the mention of the Holocaust, I'm going to let them know how much I ing despise them. Does that make me a bad person?

ADDITION:
Forgot to say what I get out of it... I get the satisfaction of knowing I do what I believe is right in any setting.

My reasons are pretty much the same as PsychoTemplar. Most of the "flames" are just rude insults to show how stupid the other person really is, like in a mocking/sarcastic way.

Plus, I think using a word such as "idiot" to describe someone who is truly an idiot shouldn't be a flame.

Like I would say, you are an idiot for X Y Z reasons.

Take killing someone for example. If you kill someone for no reason it's wrong, but if they "deserve" to die, such as capital punishment, then I suppose people think it's right. They won't get punished for giving capital punishment on the criminal. (doesn't mean I think people deserve to die, it's just that there IS capital punishment)

You don't tell people why they're wrong, and you have arguments over really trivial things. Please don't try to align yourself with me.

Exactly, I have arguments over trivial things, the other people decide to argue them. So it's very simple to prove them wrong. And yes I do tell people why they are wrong, I tell them why they shouldn't be arguing something so trivial.



Why not? We share the same views.

Yes that does make you a bad person, because although your morals and such might be in the right place (I wouldn't know too much about this becuase I don't hang out in serious discussion that much), when you flame others, it takes credibility away from your morally sound arguments. Becuase when you let someone know how much you ing despise them, instead of making valid arguments, then that helps to reinforce their faulty beliefs.

No one is going to listen to an argument accompanied by a "I can't believe what a ing moron you are" because most people can't partially agree with something, (for the same reason most people either call themselves a liberal or conservative instead taking the ideas they like from each world view). So that means that if they kinda see how their views are faulty and are just looking for a good reason to change them, then they won't agree with you because then they could have to agree with the part of your post that said they were a " ing moron".

Everyone makes mistakes, if you're too proud to admit it, you're not a mature individual. Ever hear the term "Man enough to"? I don't bluntly tell people that, I give off an air and make it very clear that the way they are acting at the moment, is.

If everyone hated you, because of something like laughing at the Holocaust, would that not make you want to stop laughing at the Holocaust? I really hope so. Too many people have this attitude "I don't care what other people think" and it makes me sick.

There is one problem with the "I don't care what anyone thinks" attitude. They never apply it completely. They stop caring what others think of them, but for some reason when the person with that philosophy says something, he thinks that person cares what they think. I have no problem with you not caring what I think, just don't think that means I care what you think.

No offence Devilesk, do you think about what you type, before you type it?

Here, you clearely state that you argue with people, over stupid things, such as "trivial matters"


That shows, that you bring on the arguments, by argueing with people who have different opinions on "trivial matters"


How is it simple to prove someone wrong, when you are argueing over "trivial matters"?
You can't prove peoples opinions wrong, because that is their opinion. Everyone is entitled to one, even yourself.


But by you telling them that they are wrong, you are showing hypocracy. If they shouldn't be argueing something so "trivial", then why are you?

I mean no offence to you, but you really need to think about what you post, before you post it. You just basicly said why you started flamming me and timmy in the playing god thread that was closed. Because we had a different opinion then you, and you argued our opinions, and not the facts....

And then you start flaming. It is small, but it is there.

Admitting you're wrong can unfortunately cause more problems.
Yoshi I hope will come back. If he does, can we pin a thread of rules, just to restate them?

In Short: Don't be stupid.

1. There is no right or wrong answer. Most of wait we debate or discuss in this forum is completely hypothetical, like politics, ethics, and religon.

2. You do not decide the religous affiliation of any other member here. I know that I have been caught doing this once, but I vow to stop. Christianity, Atheisim, Agnosticism, and many other beliefs (or, the lack thereof) often are based on faith/logic that only the individual understand. such comments as "that is not what a true atheist would say" or "you don't sound christian" will not be tolerated.

3. What happens in this forum, stays in this forum. It is very judgemental to not look at someone's map because they are conservative. Saying backhanded comments like "but then again, you're a republican so what would you know?" in other forums will not be tolerated.

4. Be decent in your discussion. No spamming, no flaming, no trolling. Posts like "OMG THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ALREADY!" or "Dude...that is so sick and wrong!" will not be tolerated. If you have a problem with a post, report it to the moderators and ignore it. They will deal with as they see fit, and it makes for less clean up duty if you disreguard it.
About Mature Topics: However, when I say be decent I do not mean censor your posts; topics such as virginity, and footage from grotesque war (say links to 'The Raping of Nanking') films will be allowed, just make sure that if you do travel into something indecent for people under 13, you put a caution label on it. SEN is home to people of many ages.

5. Realize when its time to backdown. Unfortunately, even after I post this, there are still people who will flame. If you are liberal, and a conservative is completely knocking on you, tell them to cut it out. If they don't, ignore them and report it to a moderator or administrator via the "report" button located on every post.

6. If they dropped the topic, there is a reason. For example, let's say that I say something like "Ah, I understand now. I back down from my previous arguement." That is not your cue to say, "Its good that you grew a brain, and that you see how much better I am." No one is here to stroke your ego, and it makes you sound like an idiot. If they stop debating in a topic, they either find no merit in continuing the discussion, or they have nothing left to argue. Do not drag it out in hopes that you can beat them back down again. That's dumb.

7. Not everyone is looking for a fight. Not all Serious Discussion threads are pure debate; some our simply discussion. For example, the "Are you patriotic?" thread. There are many options, and you can choose one and explain yourself. If someone replies, "I support my leader in everything he does." Feel free to ask him why, feel free to show statistics and evidence from your side, but don't bash what he believes in. "OMG YOU FOLLOW A MURDERER" will not be tolerated.

Does that sound fair? Did I miss anything? Is that too much?

Kame, may I ask a simple question?


How did I flame him, by showing the fallacies in his post?

I thought a flame was sitting there, and saying that, "Oh, you're stupid! You're a moron! You're a **** tard!"

I did none of those. So how did I flame?

Maybe if we didn't rely 100% on opinions for those topics, we might get somewhere with them. And the statement in it's self is wrong. "There is no wrong or right answer." There ARE wrong and right answers. Now the topics we've argued about, might be like 60/40, or 70/30, or something. But it doesn't mean we won't find one that won't be 95/5 down the road. (Which is where your opinion is just stubburn) Therefore we would at least have the chance to resolve something. I'll take a 1% chance over a 0% chance any day of the week.

As for flaming, and not admiting you're wrong when you're wrong, you guys need to grow up and stop doing that.