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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Son_of_Thunder on 2005-06-27 at 03:36:18
What does everybody think?

Topic says it all!

To what extent should this country have gun control if you believe it should have any at all.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-06-27 at 04:10:12
I believe that gun control isn't in affect because some asshat blew away a kid on the street. I think its in affect to stop the general populance from getting the materials to rise up. I think this because me and some friends were talking about the american revolution and then started talking about a revolution in this country should it happen. We were talking about how they would aquire the weapons to wage war. In some states its illegal for civilians to own automatic weapons. Even though in the constitution it says we may bear arms. Just my idea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hampster on 2005-06-27 at 10:05:36
Of course it would have to be people kill people. Does a gun walk around and say o look someone to shoot, then releases a bullet? No, some idiotic moron with no life looks and sees someone to shoot and they pull the trigger. I think we should be able get the weapons we want as long as they do the right background search. For more powerful weapons maybe they background search should be done more extenstive.
~~~ Just my 2 Cents
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-27 at 13:32:48
If we didn't have guns, then people wouldn't kill people with guns. So, yes, guns kill people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ZPD on 2005-06-27 at 14:27:29
It's the little metal projectiles that tend to do the killing, tongue.gif.

The problem with having access to guns for defense is that people who attack or rob have easy access to them as well. However, limiting gun ownership a lot isn't going to prevent many people from getting the guns through some kind of black market so people have no defense; however, wo the heck has the time to go to some safe and get a gun out of it when someone tries to kill them? Taking them away would also erquier a new amendment to negate the second emndment, and taking away rights is always dangerous as it can lead to a string of rights taken away. I don't have a strong stance for either side of this issue at the moment, but I think that right now I would prefer it if gund remained legal, at least until I have some time to really think it over; I never have paid much attention to this kind of issue.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FrAZ428 on 2005-06-27 at 14:40:45
People kill people. A person could almost just as easily kill a person with a knife or bow or Car. Guns also have a good side... Like hunting. Over here in the US all these issues have pretty much been taken care of, so I don't really have any issues.

In Europe in some places though not even the police have guns, do they? If that's so that makes it very vulnerable to any kind of illegal force. A few guys could come in and tear up all of paris with a couple of AK-47's and a little body armor... So it seems to me it's just another one of those laws that encourage illegal action (i.e. the black market gets more products popular as they become illegal, take the attempt in the US to ban certain drugs. That just encouraged drug usage, and spread the name and roles of drugs around to anyone interested.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-06-27 at 16:05:29
Guns don't kill people, it's the irresponsible people that carry them. Usualy African-Americans or Hispanic, they carry them to show them off or to rob stores or banks. Those kinds of people usually get the weapons illegaly from overseas.

On the other hand, I myself am a gun lover and I love to shoot them at gun ranges, I love to shoot at old toys, model cars, targets, practice shooting, reaction time, accuracy all that stuff.

I do not think it should be made illegal for U.S. Citizens to own guns, I just think the government should tighten the borders and arrest all the people that illegaly bring guns to the United States.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2005-06-27 at 17:52:10
having a gun = your weak
people kill people with guns?
how about chinese stars and knifes?
its not just guns that kill people its mental problem people kills normal people
Report, edit, etc...Posted by yeow on 2005-06-27 at 18:01:12
QUOTE(Vampire @ Jun 27 2005, 03:05 PM)
I do not think it should be made illegal for U.S. Citizens to own guns, I just think the government should tighten the borders and arrest all the people that illegaly bring guns to the United States.
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It's not like they don't want to tighten the borders. It costs money to do that. If they can't even get enough Rangers to protect the border from Mexico, then they certainly can't tighten control on anything else coming into the U.S.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-28 at 00:40:50
We should ban guns so I can't get a hold of one :]

I seriously am of two minds in this...I agree that illegalizing something only drives it underground, where regulation is harder, but on the other hand, guns aren't analogous to drugs, which don't directly hurt other people when you use them (and if you're actually smart, shouldn't hurt anyone much at all). Irresponsable use of guns seems more dangerous to me than of drugs.

So I dunno.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-06-28 at 18:09:46
I think that guns should be illegalized. Then I could kill you all much more easily.devil.gif

But seriously, guns don't kill people. But easy gun acess makes more people die and killings more common. Look at Columbine, or the Red Lake shootings. If those kids lacked easy acess to guns and explosives (of course, alos if they were not relentlessly bullied), few people would have died. In the Red Lake shootings, if the boy's grandfather had not kept a gun he could not have killed so many people. (14 people with 13 bullets. By the way, the kid had no experience with guns and could easily outshoot an FBI officer, judging by his accuracy.) In Florida, the new Stand your Ground act is quite ridiculous and unesscesary. Lack of gun control may not make gun acess impossible, but a lot harder. "Rage" killing will become less common. If it takes you three weeks to get a gun, your rage will have fizzled out by then. In short, guns dont kill people, they help people kill people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-28 at 21:36:53
Yes, guns do help people kill people.

But if we were to ban guns, people would resort to knives, or swords. (Or get a gun on the black market for a high price) And I think it's a LITTLE harder to rob a bank, or threaten or a police officer with a knife or sword. Unless you're like, bruce lee or something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-29 at 02:05:00
QUOTE(Mp)MinigameEast @ Jun 27 2005, 04:52 PM)
having a gun = your weak
people kill people with guns?
how about chinese stars and knifes?
its not just guns that kill people its mental problem people kills normal people
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More proof you're a 11 year old idiot. Having a gun does not signify that you are weak or powerful, that's not going to help you survive a bullet any better. Guns are used mostly for protection, and that is what they are for. Yea, we also hear all the time on the news about someone killing someone with a chinese star, I'm sure chinese star homocides are at a peak right now... disgust.gif I'm not even going to try to figure out what that last 'sentence' says, I think if you're going to post in the serious discussion forum, you should use proper grammar and spelling... Just a thought...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D)s-202 on 2005-06-29 at 13:16:23
what can i say about guns... ok their is no point of war .! if their is what is it MILLIONS of people nare dying vfor a frealing piece of land [FONT=Arial] mostly

what do u say 2 that? w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-06-29 at 13:37:16
Guns are not what make people die. They are tools, not masters. Guns should be 100% allowed. Its the homocidal people who should be sent to jail. crazy.gif crazy.gif crazy.gif Now for the other side of the argument. Without the 'tools', death rates would be lower and less people would be sent to jail. Guns are what gives psycho's the feeling of power.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by timmy8586 on 2005-06-29 at 14:03:00
QUOTE(Silver-Dragon @ Jun 29 2005, 12:37 PM)
Guns are not what make people die. They are tools, not masters. Guns should be 100% allowed. Its the homocidal people who should be sent to jail. crazy.gif  crazy.gif  crazy.gif  Now for the other side of the argument. Without the 'tools', death rates would be lower and less people would be sent to jail. Guns are what gives psycho's the feeling of power.
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But what is the point of a gun if not for harming someone? Nobody needs them. Police wouldn't need them if people didn't have guns, nobody hunts, etc.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-29 at 14:34:57
I don't understand this Topic. What do you mean Gun control? Can you elaberate.? You mean the age limit of useing a gun? other countries use of guns? I would like to understand of what you talking about. If it is the fact that to many people have guns and it is out of control i think they should be harder to get to. I think that you have to get a license to bare 1 which is good, In some ways. I'm not sure. rePhrase the question please.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-06-29 at 14:59:53
Why the hell does everyone want a gun anyways? I mean I suppose I understand if there is a hired hitman after them and the police are busy eating donuts but other than that it's just a weapon that helps criminals.
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Unless you're like, bruce lee or something.

Bruce Lee got pwned, Jackie Chan owns him.
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Police wouldn't need them if people didn't have guns, nobody hunts, etc.

Police would still need guns for the knife fighting, bank robbing gang members we all know and hate.
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Its the homocidal people who should be sent to jail.

And the people are only homocidal with guns.

You try commiting homocide with a spoon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-29 at 16:23:47
QUOTE(timmy8586 @ Jun 29 2005, 01:03 PM)
But what is the point of a gun if not for harming someone? Nobody needs them.
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Masked man breaks into your house in the middle of the night with a crowbar. You say that guns are useless because they are just for harming people. Therefore, since you're unarmed he robs your house, injures you, possibly kills you, etc...

Masked man breaks into my house in the middle of the night with a crowbar. Having a gun to protect myself, he runs as soon as he sees the gun. I go to sleep unharmed and everything in my house is ok.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-29 at 17:09:35
Okay...here is my take on gun control...again, it's just another opinion, so don't flame me over it.

No need to debate about the fact guns have been around for a very long time and will continue to be available probably until the end of the world. On the other hand, wars have been going on since mankind can remember (which was way before guns were invented.) Currently, I am serving this country (United States) in Iraq as a U.S. Marine. Now, personally, i would rather be toting around an M-16 rather than a sword and shield given the current circumstances. That doesn't mean that it is easy for me to kill insurgents over here in this country; it just simply means i am doing my job.

But, back to the point...I believe to let the gun be available to people in which it would serve the purpose of what it was invented to accomplish. For example, i don't believe the general populous should be able to buy an M-16. Why?? because it is designed for one thing only...to kill people. That would be the day to see some red neck hippie using an M-16 to hunt down a deer. So, the M-16 should be made available only to the military, and thankfully that is the case today.

Personally, i have mixed emotions on semi-automatic weapons because they were invented for both hunting and killing purposes. Cops need them to immobolize a psychotic gunman and hunters need them to shoot a deer again if they missed on the first shot.

Basically, i just simply believe the gun should be made available to people that will use it for what it was intended to accomplish. Cops = semi-automatics, military personnell = automatics etc.

Young kids getting a hold of guns these days is way outta control. I believe there should be harsh penalties against the owner of the gun that was used in school shootings. If they are that negligent to let their gun escape their control, then they don't deserve to have a gun and deserve maximum punishment because the gun was invented for one thing only...to kill! Thus, they should practice much better stuartship of such a weapon.

Just my 2 cents

Best regards



Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-06-29 at 17:27:09
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Masked man breaks into your house in the middle of the night with a crowbar. You say that guns are useless because they are just for harming people. Therefore, since you're unarmed he robs your house, injures you, possibly kills you, etc...

Masked man breaks into my house in the middle of the night with a crowbar. Having a gun to protect myself, he runs as soon as he sees the gun. I go to sleep unharmed and everything in my house is ok.


First scenario is true.

But in the second scenario, i wouldn't let him run, i'd shot the mother censored.gif er for trying to possibly harm my family.

Addition:

If i let him escape, he'll be there out for another day to harm another family.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-29 at 17:27:36
Red Neck Hippie? LOL I have never seen a Redneck hippie combo before lol.


Ya, if guns kill people then I could easyly blame miss spelled words on my pencil. I think any gun should be legal becuase in the consitution it gives American citzens the right to bear arms, which means any arms. Also as American citizens it is our right/duty to overthrow our government if it becomes too abusive etc.

For gun control I believe that extensive back round check is needed and it becomes more extensive the more dangerous the weapon. There has to be many, many things a person must go through in order to get the weapon he wants. Pretty much if you J-walked when you were 15 you ain't getting an automatic weapon. I think it must be extremely strict.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-29 at 17:29:43
Guns don't kill people, Bullets kill people. Mabye we should put a ban on bullets instead of guns so that we can still pistol whip.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-29 at 17:33:11
Well i guess. This is a bad issue in the world? lol. Anyways i don't want a gun. i think its pointless.. Unless A monkey or a Bear chace me..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-06-29 at 17:48:25
I have extremely strong anti-gun ownership views, but I don't want to get into another argument about it (would be 3 times in a year).

Basically, I don't think that it is necessary for citizens to:
1. Carry concealed firearms.
2. Own any automatic weapon.
3. Store any firearm at their place of residence.

However, I do think that the following are necessary/ok:
1. Those whose occupation requires them to own a gun should be able to keep it at their place of residence. (farmers with shotguns, professional hunters etc.)
2. All firearms should only be fired at a firing range.
3. All owned firearms should be stored securely at the firing range when not in use.
4. ONE handgun should be able to be stored in the owner's place of residence if average police response times to their area are > 10 minutes.

In my country, even the police don't carry guns, unless they're on armed response (where they crack out the body armour, MP5s and sniper rifles). I have never heard a gun being fired.

It is true that a great many criminals have access to guns, but aren't the police supposed to deal with them, or your insurance company if you get robbed? If you comply with a mugger/burglar, then you're less likely to need a gun anyway.

I hate it when gun supporters bring up stupid arguments about Hitler and the Jews to support their position, so don't try it or you will get burned!
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