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Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-30 at 20:37:10

I heard today on the news that Teacher ChurchHill who teaches at University of Colerado at Boulder said at this conference thing about encouraging soldiers in the military to 'frag' their supior officers . Now I don't know much about this guy besides that he compared some 9/11 victems to nazi's and tried to say he was native american or something. Now I am all for freedom of speech, but isn't it going a little far to say that 9/11 families/victems are Nazi's and to encourage American soldiers to kill other American soldiers of higher rank? I don't know it just disturbs me a little.

On another note, the Army made it's June recruiting goal, so hopefully it will keep up this year and then hopefully there won't be a draft so you guys can keep on playing sc. lol.

Edit: well, those of you that are 18 at least.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-06-30 at 22:23:53

I'm moving to Poland so i'll have to serve a 1 year basic training anyway

But on the other hand, the Polish military uses AK-47's instead of M16A2 so i'll be having a lot of fun =D

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-30 at 22:31:57

If I'm drafted, I'm leaving the country. I'm not gonna spend a couple years fighting for some dumbass puppet and get little in return. I'll only join the draft when we're on the defensive side, not the offensive side. (By defensive, I mean enemy tanks rolling up and down our streets)

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-30 at 22:48:22

Lol for a second when i saw this thread i thought u were talking about the British Prime minister back in the WWII and COld war times xD.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-01 at 00:07:58

QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 30 2005, 06:31 PM)

Actually, the army provides you with MANY benefits that civilians do not get. You get college money also. But I won't go into too much detail about that. Can we please try and discuss this dude, please?

Vampire, M16A2 owns Ak47 in long range accuracy

So I would just shoot you from affar while you try and close in with your red tip rounds lol. (inside joke between vamp and me)

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-07-01 at 02:51:11

1 yr basic training? and your complaining? When i visited switzerland, i learned that every male 20 and older goes between military life and civilian life every 3 years until he retires. When they retire they get to keep their automatic weapon. Also when there older then 20 they can keep their weapons in their house. That means that nearly every household in switzerland has an automatic weapon. We were also given a tour of a SAM site in the mountains (pretty neat shit). They also have a procedure to collapse the tunnels into switzerland if attacked. They are the hardest country to attack in my opinion.

BACK ON TOPIC: Anyone that states you should kill your superior officers is a moron in my opinion. This isn't the sith army in starwars.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-07-01 at 04:59:19

[center]First of all, Ward Churchil is a great 1st amendment activist, who IS a native american, and his views on the 9/11 victims aren't flawed. He's not saying that the actual victims diserved to die, what he's really saying is that the country diserved it. Lets face it, America's foreign ploicy is screwed up.
As for the fragging, I can see where he's coming from, but there are better solutions.
I would go more indepth, but I'm not in the serious discussion mood today.[/center]

Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-01 at 13:32:17

QUOTE(nuclearrabbit @ Jul 1 2005, 12:59 AM)

I can see how people didn't like America's forgien policy AFTER 9/11, but was it really terriable and messed up BEFORE 9/11????

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-01 at 13:50:08

I agree with Chris. American Foreign Policy screwed up because of 9/11.

As for America deserving 9/11, are you on crack dude? Hell, you must be on something harder because I dont think ANY COUNTRY deserves that kind of disaster.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-07-01 at 14:21:40

The biggest problem United States has is that they think they're world police and they can invade any country that they want to and do anything they want to it, and then they make it a democracy and make their own laws for it.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-02 at 12:42:26

Actually we can, for the most part. And being world police is one more stop toward world peace. We can't have world peace if a murderous Dictator is still in power. And by the way we are letting the Iraqis develope their own laws and constitution.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-03 at 07:46:18

I think it is OK that we are world police, but it is NOT OK how we do things. We should take better measures next time we do this stuff, so we dont have another Iraq. Thing is, now that we've invaded Iraq, just about all the Middle-eastern and North African islamic countries heavily dislike America, and GWB in particular.

Next time, we should do it RIGHT.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-07-05 at 02:20:53

No, you're missing the point. There had better not be a next time.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-07-05 at 02:53:01

I dislike America being the world police beccause its a self-appointed position.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-06 at 17:46:58

QUOTE(Dr.Sh0tgun @ Jul 4 2005, 10:53 PM)

I dislike America being the world police beccause its a self-appointed position.
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What? We have only really been world police on Aphganistan and Iraq (who both had terrorists in them+harbored the terrorists). All other conflicts we were brought into were becuase we were supporting our allies.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 17:55:04

First off, its spelt Colorado. Like Color.

*is from there. rofl.*

Also, no, I do not agree with what he said, but that shouldn't matter; he has freedom of speech. End of discussion. I forget who said it, but if someone takes it away, think this: "one dead man speaks louder than a thousand living." I wish I could remember who said that. But think about; we can't do anything about it or else you'll have thousands of people seeing him as a martyr for the cause. That'd make things worse.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 21:11:29

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 6 2005, 04:46 PM)

If we wanted to stop dictators, we would go over to africa. If we wanted to stop some one from seriously

ing us up, we would go over to north korea or go after Osama. Why the

are we at Iraq? (Cough, oil) The place is not on my personal hit list. And don't say they're harboring terrorists, cause WE WERE TOO. In my state as well, good old florida.

Ya, we're GREAT world police. Reminds me of the republican financial plan of the 80's which failed, Help the rich so the poor can get rich. AKA, Help america get rich, so the rest of the world can get rich. Nice way of bringing the world together. I applaud the idea. (Sarcasm)

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zb2k on 2005-07-06 at 22:14:34

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 30 2005, 06:37 PM)

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No, there is no difference. What you're talking about is a matter of taste. But according to the law, saying "Hello" is the same thing as saying "Osama Bin Laden rocks and I hate America".

Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-06 at 23:44:12

QUOTE(Zb2k @ Jul 6 2005, 06:14 PM)

No, there is no difference. What you're talking about is a matter of taste. But according to the law, saying "Hello" is the same thing as saying "Osama Bin Laden rocks and I hate America".
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No, what distrubes me is he still has his job. There is a long list of bad things he has done and said. Many students like him while many do not. I just don't think, as a school administrator, that I want his ideals tought to the students in the university. Freedom of speech is a fragile topic, but 9/11 is even more fragile.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-07-15 at 06:00:48

QUOTE(Euro @ Jun 30 2005, 10:51 PM)

). They also have a procedure to collapse the tunnels into switzerland if attacked. They are the hardest country to attack in my opinion.

BACK ON TOPIC: Anyone that states you should kill your superior officers is a moron in my opinion. This isn't the sith army in starwars.
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ya thats why no one invades switzerland.... becuase you would have to fight literally every household in the country... not a pretty picture.

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 2 2005, 08:42 AM)

wait sense when should we be world police? correct me if im wroung but isn't there a thing called the united nations for just this reason, to decide whats good for the world? and oh wait didnt the UN say that we shouldnt go invade iraq? correct me if im wroung but doesn't that sound like america doesnt care what they rest of the world thinks?

QUOTE(Dr.Sh0tgun @ Jul 4 2005, 10:53 PM)

I dislike America being the world police beccause its a self-appointed position.
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exactly.

also as far as him having a job... obviously some people agree with him... enough that he still has one.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-15 at 06:41:53

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ya thats why no one invades switzerland.... becuase you would have to fight literally every household in the country... not a pretty picture.

Unlike now, how we're going against one army, but still end up bombing thousands of civilians.

I just thought this was kinda funny:

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ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Aren't we just becoming terrorists ourselves?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-15 at 06:49:06

Hell yes, america is.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-07-15 at 20:43:11

by some definitions yes, but i also think that american troopers are trying their best to not kill innocent bystanders. Tryen their best doesnt mean that it's not happing it just means that they truely aren't insteading for these extra of innocents.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-07-15 at 21:18:34

america uses the UN as a puppet to get other countries to side with them, but when things dont go their way, well, they still do what they want to do. And the UN cant do anything except protest since they dont have a fighting force. Thats why the League of Nations failed because it didnt have a fighting force or any major country supporting it.

As for Churchill, that statement about soldiers killing their superior officers is so stupid i mean look what happened to Hitler when he killed Rommel (even though hitler was superior to him the consequences would have been the same.) When he killed Rommel Germany spiraled down faster than ever after the death of his best general

Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-16 at 14:59:39

Lol, the UN can't be trusted for anything. Oil for food.......that whole mess makes me sick.

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