Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sonoco on 2005-07-06 at 18:05:15
The first time I actaully listened to Andy Rooney is also the last. He said something to the accord of "The point of war is to kill people" and "Memorial shouldn't be remembered becuase the war hasnt been solved."
The point of war is to get your way. Not to kill people. Killing people is not the point of any war. Some jerks (like Andy Rooney) think that war is just this terrible thing that we do becuase we love drenching ourselves in the blood of our eneimes and kill everything in sight. This has never been the case. War is needed. It keeps peace. With out war their would be no peace. Diplomacy has it's limits and does not accomplish what War does.
War is a good thing. It stimulates the economy. It builds nationalism. These and other positive benefits can be easily seen during WW2 and the USA. All the countries the USA has had wars with are starting to have or currently do have good relations with.
England and USA fought a long time ago and now they are great allies.
Japan fought with the USA and they have good economic ties with the USA.
Germany and other countries have ties with America
Russia is now beign more friendly towards America
All these things would not have happened if there was not previous conflict.
The point of war is to get your way. Saying that it has terrible side effects is wrong. Saying that it does nothing but kill people is wrong.
Peace through superior firepower.
The point of war is to get your way. Not to kill people. Killing people is not the point of any war. Some jerks (like Andy Rooney) think that war is just this terrible thing that we do becuase we love drenching ourselves in the blood of our eneimes and kill everything in sight. This has never been the case. War is needed. It keeps peace. With out war their would be no peace. Diplomacy has it's limits and does not accomplish what War does.
War is a good thing. It stimulates the economy. It builds nationalism. These and other positive benefits can be easily seen during WW2 and the USA. All the countries the USA has had wars with are starting to have or currently do have good relations with.
England and USA fought a long time ago and now they are great allies.
Japan fought with the USA and they have good economic ties with the USA.
Germany and other countries have ties with America
Russia is now beign more friendly towards America
All these things would not have happened if there was not previous conflict.
The point of war is to get your way. Saying that it has terrible side effects is wrong. Saying that it does nothing but kill people is wrong.
Peace through superior firepower.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zb2k on 2005-07-06 at 18:17:55
War is good if the right alliance wins. Clearly, the nazis thought that they were fighting for a good/noble cause.
"Japan fought with the USA and they have good economic ties with the USA."
I don't agree with that being a positive thing. What you're saying is that innocent people have to get bombed for the country to do well economically. You're putting a price on people's lives.
"Japan fought with the USA and they have good economic ties with the USA."
I don't agree with that being a positive thing. What you're saying is that innocent people have to get bombed for the country to do well economically. You're putting a price on people's lives.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-06 at 18:20:53
How is saying that war has terrible side effects "wrong"?
If you think people dying is not wrong, I think you should die too.
If you think people dying is not wrong, I think you should die too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sonoco on 2005-07-06 at 19:08:06
Duh, Dieing is a god thing, They are dieing for a good cause. For our country.
Without any one dieing for us, Were screwed.
Without any one dieing for us, Were screwed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-06 at 19:15:31
It also helps control the population of the Earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-07-06 at 19:18:57
I mean, c'mon, lets just let the other country massacre us without starting a war to defend us!
Well, it might be to enslave population, but it's all started for personal gains. However, the point in it also have a defensive motive too.
Well, it might be to enslave population, but it's all started for personal gains. However, the point in it also have a defensive motive too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 20:34:56
QUOTE(Sonoco @ Jul 6 2005, 05:05 PM)
The first time I actaully listened to Andy Rooney is also the last. He said something to the accord of "The point of war is to kill people" and "Memorial shouldn't be remembered becuase the war hasnt been solved."
The point of war is to get your way. Not to kill people. Killing people is not the point of any war. Some jerks (like Andy Rooney) think that war is just this terrible thing that we do becuase we love drenching ourselves in the blood of our eneimes and kill everything in sight. This has never been the case. War is needed. It keeps peace. With out war their would be no peace. Diplomacy has it's limits and does not accomplish what War does.
War is a good thing. It stimulates the economy. It builds nationalism. These and other positive benefits can be easily seen during WW2 and the USA. All the countries the USA has had wars with are starting to have or currently do have good relations with.
England and USA fought a long time ago and now they are great allies.
Japan fought with the USA and they have good economic ties with the USA.
Germany and other countries have ties with America
Russia is now beign more friendly towards America
All these things would not have happened if there was not previous conflict.
The point of war is to get your way. Saying that it has terrible side effects is wrong. Saying that it does nothing but kill people is wrong.
Peace through superior firepower.
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The point of war is to get your way. Not to kill people. Killing people is not the point of any war. Some jerks (like Andy Rooney) think that war is just this terrible thing that we do becuase we love drenching ourselves in the blood of our eneimes and kill everything in sight. This has never been the case. War is needed. It keeps peace. With out war their would be no peace. Diplomacy has it's limits and does not accomplish what War does.
War is a good thing. It stimulates the economy. It builds nationalism. These and other positive benefits can be easily seen during WW2 and the USA. All the countries the USA has had wars with are starting to have or currently do have good relations with.
England and USA fought a long time ago and now they are great allies.
Japan fought with the USA and they have good economic ties with the USA.
Germany and other countries have ties with America
Russia is now beign more friendly towards America
All these things would not have happened if there was not previous conflict.
The point of war is to get your way. Saying that it has terrible side effects is wrong. Saying that it does nothing but kill people is wrong.
Peace through superior firepower.
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Your economic reason is bullshit. This ain't WWI or WWII, and it only helps the winning side. (And/or the side selling weapons. AKA U.S.A. in WWI and WWII) "To the victor goes all the spoils." If we spent our money on other things BESIDES the military, we would never be in a depression at all. (But since other countries might take us over, we're forced to do so. But sometimes we go a little over board, like the 80's for example)
How in the hell is nationalism good? All it does is make people hate other people for stupid ass reasons.
You think these alliances will last forever? Fear doesn't buy respect, it just buys bullshit respect.
If you experiance a real battle zone up close and personal, not Iraq bullshit, I'm talking something more like normandy, I gurantee you wouldn't be saying what you're saying right now. If you're a christian, Jesus would smake you in the face right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 20:48:51
I hate to disagree, but I do. I love war; evil people getting killed is great (honestly).
But the truth is that war does not help economies, it hurts them. The only way that a war could ever help an economy is if:
But the truth is that war does not help economies, it hurts them. The only way that a war could ever help an economy is if:
- It causes the market to be more open and free.
- Capital is taken from the country you are fighting.
- It causes foreign aid to pour into the country.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 20:49:25
QUOTE(Ultimo @ Jul 6 2005, 04:15 PM)
It also helps control the population of the Earth.
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omg...just the context of where that was...priceless. I laugh.
But I agree; there is a time for war, and there is a time people die in it. It helps control the population, it is also needed to stabalize the world by this; if you eliminate enough of the nutcases in one battle royale then things will calm down. Or, you'll screw that up too and just create a facade of peace until another dumby rises to power. Who knows? It is to settle agreements against fanatics who can't sit still long enough for peace talks. Its blowing them outta proportion that bothers me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-06 at 20:59:48
Helps control the population? What, we don't have alternatives to do this? I would rather have a law that makes it so we can only have 2-3 kids, than a war that causes millions of people to die. I'm just saying, that's a better way to control the population. And it also doesn't create 
ed up people who suffer from extreme cases of shell shock because they shot a 2 year old kid, and his 22 year old mother right in the head while his friend tom lost both his legs due to a landmine. All in the name of a country. (Not an ideology)
Nice perk, really. Nice perk. Next time you see a killer on T.V., don't go after him. He's too busy trying to "Control" the population. Oh wait, he's in your country. Go after him, he might attack someone you know. My bad, I guess it's ok to control the population of people in other countries except yours. I hope you guys don't think like that. Double standards don't really fly if you know what I'm saying.
ed up people who suffer from extreme cases of shell shock because they shot a 2 year old kid, and his 22 year old mother right in the head while his friend tom lost both his legs due to a landmine. All in the name of a country. (Not an ideology)Nice perk, really. Nice perk. Next time you see a killer on T.V., don't go after him. He's too busy trying to "Control" the population. Oh wait, he's in your country. Go after him, he might attack someone you know. My bad, I guess it's ok to control the population of people in other countries except yours. I hope you guys don't think like that. Double standards don't really fly if you know what I'm saying.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 21:04:27
Wrong thread.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 23:59:22
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 6 2005, 05:59 PM)
Helps control the population? What, we don't have alternatives to do this? I would rather have a law that makes it so we can only have 2-3 kids, than a war that causes millions of people to die. I'm just saying, that's a better way to control the population. And it also doesn't create ed up people who suffer from extreme cases of shell shock because they shot a 2 year old kid, and his 22 year old mother right in the head while his friend tom lost both his legs due to a landmine. All in the name of a country. (Not an ideology)
Nice perk, really. Nice perk. Next time you see a killer on T.V., don't go after him. He's too busy trying to "Control" the population. Oh wait, he's in your country. Go after him, he might attack someone you know. My bad, I guess it's ok to control the population of people in other countries except yours. I hope you guys don't think like that. Double standards don't really fly if you know what I'm saying.
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ed up people who suffer from extreme cases of shell shock because they shot a 2 year old kid, and his 22 year old mother right in the head while his friend tom lost both his legs due to a landmine. All in the name of a country. (Not an ideology)Nice perk, really. Nice perk. Next time you see a killer on T.V., don't go after him. He's too busy trying to "Control" the population. Oh wait, he's in your country. Go after him, he might attack someone you know. My bad, I guess it's ok to control the population of people in other countries except yours. I hope you guys don't think like that. Double standards don't really fly if you know what I'm saying.
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Uhm...it isn't really a debateable fact; Wars cut down on the world population. I don't know why you're getting so angry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-07 at 01:52:17
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War is needed. It keeps peace. With out war their would be no peace. Diplomacy has it's limits and does not accomplish what War does.
This peace doesn't last for long, people will fight for their own rights and beliefs no matter how much money you give them or how many guns you stick to their heads make no difference. Its better to have an actualy peace, one that started with everyone agreeing. The peace you get from war only comes in the winning country, and lasts for a short time before people realize that their last reason for war, should be their next also. Sorry if that seems kind of vague.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-07 at 01:58:30
You can't just stop telling people to have unprotected sex.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-07 at 02:41:29
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 6 2005, 04:34 PM)
Your economic reason is bullshit. This ain't WWI or WWII, and it only helps the winning side. (And/or the side selling weapons. AKA U.S.A. in WWI and WWII) "To the victor goes all the spoils." If we spent our money on other things BESIDES the military, we would never be in a depression at all. (But since other countries might take us over, we're forced to do so. But sometimes we go a little over board, like the 80's for example)
How in the hell is nationalism good? All it does is make people hate other people for stupid ass reasons.
You think these alliances will last forever? Fear doesn't buy respect, it just buys bullshit respect.
If you experiance a real battle zone up close and personal, not Iraq bullshit, I'm talking something more like normandy, I gurantee you wouldn't be saying what you're saying right now. If you're a christian, Jesus would smake you in the face right now.
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How in the hell is nationalism good? All it does is make people hate other people for stupid ass reasons.
You think these alliances will last forever? Fear doesn't buy respect, it just buys bullshit respect.
If you experiance a real battle zone up close and personal, not Iraq bullshit, I'm talking something more like normandy, I gurantee you wouldn't be saying what you're saying right now. If you're a christian, Jesus would smake you in the face right now.
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Nationalism is a good thing. It means thinking everything in your country is the biggest and best. Theres nothing wrong with that....
and it seems like you just watched Saving Private Ryan. Modern WarFare today is MUCH differen't
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-07 at 13:08:10
OMFG we already had this conversation in the WAR! topic. oh, and define evil. ehat is evil to you is holy to someone else. always remember that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-07 at 17:36:12
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 7 2005, 01:41 AM)
Nationalism is a good thing. It means thinking everything in your country is the biggest and best. Theres nothing wrong with that....
and it seems like you just watched Saving Private Ryan. Modern WarFare today is MUCH differen't
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Your definition of nationalism promote extreme arrogance, and arrogant people have ego defence problems, where they sometimes have to fight in order to keep their pride. And fighting an entire war over country pride is pure bullshit.
Modern warfare today would be more horrifying if there was another WW. So don't give me that bullshit.
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Uhm...it isn't really a debateable fact; Wars cut down on the world population. I don't know why you're getting so angry.
I got mad about that, simply because people use it as one of the reasons why war is good. Throwing life away so we can have more personal room, or food, or w/e that those are other people are "hogging" for themselves, because they're not as good as you. That's why it's ok for them to die. Do you notice the double standard now?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-07 at 17:41:48
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 7 2005, 02:36 PM)
I got mad about that, simply because people use it as one of the reasons why war is good. Throwing life away so we can have more personal room, or food, or w/e that those are other people are "hogging" for themselves, because they're not as good as you. That's why it's ok for them to die. Do you notice the double standard now?
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What do you meant not as good as us? We're not any better than them. We don't actually fight because we're better than someone, and we need to want to cut down the population. We fight for our beliefs and our protection. He's just stating that it DOES cut down on population....right?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-07 at 18:33:59
My point is this:
Killing people is not a good way to cut down on population. Yes, it does cut down the population, but saying that it's good a way to do so, is just arrogant. There are a lot better alternatives. Allow me to connect the dots:
There are 6.5 billion people, and we need to get rid of some. So we say, let 100 million get killed. Now what you need to notice is that you're risking your own personal life, as well as the lives of your family and friends when you say this. Cause you as well as they could become one of the 100 million. Most people I assume don't make that connection before they say this, and I assume they mean kill other people instead of them, or people they care about. Basically saying that your life, and the people that you care about's life, is more important than there's.
Killing people is not a good way to cut down on population. Yes, it does cut down the population, but saying that it's good a way to do so, is just arrogant. There are a lot better alternatives. Allow me to connect the dots:
There are 6.5 billion people, and we need to get rid of some. So we say, let 100 million get killed. Now what you need to notice is that you're risking your own personal life, as well as the lives of your family and friends when you say this. Cause you as well as they could become one of the 100 million. Most people I assume don't make that connection before they say this, and I assume they mean kill other people instead of them, or people they care about. Basically saying that your life, and the people that you care about's life, is more important than there's.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-07 at 18:36:15
May not be as humane as other ways, but you can't deny the fact that it's effective and fast, nonetheless.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-07 at 18:38:41
QUOTE(Ultimo @ Jul 7 2005, 05:36 PM)
May not be as humane as other ways, but you can't deny the fact that it's effective and fast, nonetheless.
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Yes, it is effective. So is killing a baby to make it shut up, that's effective too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-07 at 19:37:27
Actually, finding out why it's crying is more effective, requires less time, and I wouldn't have a dead rotting corspe on my hand.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-07 at 22:44:46
War and violence are needed as long as people do bad things to good people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-08 at 02:48:47
QUOTE(Ultimo @ Jul 7 2005, 04:37 PM)
Actually, finding out why it's crying is more effective, requires less time, and I wouldn't have a dead rotting corspe on my hand.
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Then find a more effective, less time consuming, and inhumane way to solve problems, hah, like poeple will want their worst enemies alive so there probably isn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-08 at 04:07:27
The point of war is peace and power. People fight to gain power over another people and in the end of the war there is peace. The phrase "Peace through Supier fire power" is correct in a sense.