Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-07-12 at 16:09:57
These are only a few posts split from the topic on the Undead. If there is a post you'd like discussed that I missed, please add it into the discussion. The premise of this discussion is whether or not their are super natural energies, and how they react in our world.
~Kame
Original Topic: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=17624
I'm not making any claims, thus I can't have any logical fallacies.
Also, you still must prove cats in are tune with the super natural (and prove super natural exists). Otherwise, that sentence is still an ad hoc fallacy.
I don't care what "He" (unless he = me) said. What you need to do is to bring down my arguement, not his.
~Kame
Original Topic: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=17624
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He said that me and Koos said that it's FACT that the supernatural exists, which we never did
And Cats are IN FACT tuned in with the supernatural (That is what I meant instead of Spirit World)
You sit and try to prove the "fallacies" within our posts, yet you have yet to prove the fallacies within your own.
And Cats are IN FACT tuned in with the supernatural (That is what I meant instead of Spirit World)
You sit and try to prove the "fallacies" within our posts, yet you have yet to prove the fallacies within your own.
I'm not making any claims, thus I can't have any logical fallacies.
Also, you still must prove cats in are tune with the super natural (and prove super natural exists). Otherwise, that sentence is still an ad hoc fallacy.
I don't care what "He" (unless he = me) said. What you need to do is to bring down my arguement, not his.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-12 at 16:15:07
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jul 12 2005, 01:09 PM)
I'm not making any claims, thus I can't have any logical fallacies.
Also, you still must prove cats in are tune with the super natural (and prove super natural exists). Otherwise, that sentence is still an ad hoc fallacy.
I don't care what "He" (unless he = me) said. What you need to do is to bring down my arguement, not his.
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Also, you still must prove cats in are tune with the super natural (and prove super natural exists). Otherwise, that sentence is still an ad hoc fallacy.
I don't care what "He" (unless he = me) said. What you need to do is to bring down my arguement, not his.
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You are throwing the Ad Hoc fallacy at me because you have yet to prove my "fallacies" and you are throwing words in our mouths.
I can prove cats are in tune with the supernatural (Doesn't just mean spirits you "donkey") because of what I have stated before. And Alpha even backs me up on it:
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But that doesn't mean it's for ghostly reasons. It could be mean that cat is censored.gif ed up in the head naturally, or that it's sense different kinds of energies. Hell if I know, I'm not gonna bullshit you with my bullshit science. I gurantee you there is someone that has a proven explanation for it. Don't use my personal ignorance about science as an excuse. I barely represent science.
Read the underlined part.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-12 at 16:20:27
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jul 12 2005, 03:18 PM)
Could be does not mean is.
I'm not throwing words into your mouths, I'm showing you what you've said even though you've denied it.
I cannot prove a fallacy, I can only recongize it and should can too. The thing is based on logic, however, so if you don't want to accept logic, then this thread is as useless as any religious thread. (If you're thinking about doing that, make sure you put 5 as your answer for the next time you see 1 + 1)
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I'm not throwing words into your mouths, I'm showing you what you've said even though you've denied it.
I cannot prove a fallacy, I can only recongize it and should can too. The thing is based on logic, however, so if you don't want to accept logic, then this thread is as useless as any religious thread. (If you're thinking about doing that, make sure you put 5 as your answer for the next time you see 1 + 1)
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Exactly.
Oh, kell, you think super natural means energies?
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.
Find the word energy in there for me, please. I'm curious. I think my eyes are messed up or something. Thing, if you think about it, the word super natural does not exist. Cause everything that DOES exist, is natural. So word is just for the unexplained, that's all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-12 at 16:29:41
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You can't prove they don't exist though. That is what we are trying to point out.
Prove to me that the colonyship in deep space is not real!
GUYS THE COLONYSHIP IS REAL! I HAD A DREAM OMG!
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And Cats are IN FACT tuned in with the supernatural
Cats are IN FACT tuned with MICE ROAMING IN AN OLD HOUSE.
You keep saying we're close-minded. However, you keep saying OH IT'S A GHOST, IT'S SUPERNATURAL, when there are obviously other possibilities. It would make YOU close-minded, and us having our minds open, looking into other things, and not JUST a "supernatural" explanation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-12 at 16:40:38
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 12 2005, 01:20 PM)
Oh, kell, you think super natural means energies?
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.
Find the word energy in there for me, please. I'm curious. I think my eyes are messed up or something. Thing, if you think about it, the word super natural does not exist. Cause everything that DOES exist, is natural. So word is just for the unexplained, that's all.
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1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.
Find the word energy in there for me, please. I'm curious. I think my eyes are messed up or something. Thing, if you think about it, the word super natural does not exist. Cause everything that DOES exist, is natural. So word is just for the unexplained, that's all.
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I don't see the word, Energy in there. But I see attributes of Energy. Good enough? Or do I have to explain it to you.
"1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world."
All of you skeptics think that energy is fake and exists "Outside this world"
"2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces."
Energy (acording to skeptics) seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
"3. Of or relating to a deity."
Acording to Religion, God is a form of "Energy"
"4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous."
Acording to most people, Energy is "Miraculous" because only "Gods" can do it (Ever seen Tibetin Monks bend swords with their stomach? How bout a chick getting Karate Chopped right in the throat, and walks away from it, unharmed??? That is ENERGY [Ki, Chi, whatever in the *UCK you want to call it])
"5. Of or relating to the miraculous."
Well hell. I guess those Tibetan Monks are "gods" because of how they use their Ki, Chi (ENERGY)
So there. Is that enough "evidence" for you?
ADDITION:
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Jul 12 2005, 01:29 PM)
Prove to me that the colonyship in deep space is not real!
GUYS THE COLONYSHIP IS REAL! I HAD A DREAM OMG!
Cats are IN FACT tuned with MICE ROAMING IN AN OLD HOUSE.
You keep saying we're close-minded. However, you keep saying OH IT'S A GHOST, IT'S SUPERNATURAL, when there are obviously other possibilities. It would make YOU close-minded, and us having our minds open, looking into other things, and not JUST a "supernatural" explanation.
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GUYS THE COLONYSHIP IS REAL! I HAD A DREAM OMG!
Cats are IN FACT tuned with MICE ROAMING IN AN OLD HOUSE.
You keep saying we're close-minded. However, you keep saying OH IT'S A GHOST, IT'S SUPERNATURAL, when there are obviously other possibilities. It would make YOU close-minded, and us having our minds open, looking into other things, and not JUST a "supernatural" explanation.
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Again with asumeing that's what I think. Never ONCE SAID THAT. I said it was a POSSIBILITY that it was a ghost, I didn't say it was.
You asume to much.
ADDITION:
Must I again point the truth out:
THE TRUTH
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-12 at 16:43:46
Please, I do not want to read comics.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-12 at 16:44:36
The comic has an exelent point though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-07-12 at 16:45:31
So does the skeptic's dictionary.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-07-12 at 16:47:42
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All of you skeptics think that energy is fake and exists "Outside this world"
Eh.. I'm pretty sure energy is real. After all, it takes "energy" to move your arm to type that. So... I can conclude energy is real. And.. it can be in this world, you know what an explosion is? Energy!
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Energy (acording to skeptics) seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
No it doesn't. Energy still must follow the laws of physics. And chemistry. And other laws. Espcially thermodynamics.
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Acording to Religion, God is a form of "Energy"
God is an idea.
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Acording to most people, Energy is "Miraculous" because only "Gods" can do it (Ever seen Tibetin Monks bend swords with their stomach? How bout a chick getting Karate Chopped right in the throat, and walks away from it, unharmed??? That is ENERGY [Ki, Chi, whatever in the *UCK you want to call it])
I'm not sure how you connected it... but assuming you did it correct, you still have to prove many things. Anyway, energy isn't "miraculous", I see it and use it all the time. There's nothing super natural about it!
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Well hell. I guess those Tibetan Monks are "gods" because of how they use their Ki, Chi (ENERGY)
Ki and/or Chi is not energy. It's another super natural belief. So far, all you've been doing is raising the amount of things you need to prove. A very dumb thing to do if you've heard of Occam's Razor.
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Again with asumeing that's what I think. Never ONCE SAID THAT. I said it was a POSSIBILITY that it was a ghost, I didn't say it was.
You asume to much.
You asume to much.
Likewise, you assume that because a cat can stare into emtpy space, it's looking at a super natural, or similar effect. I don't try to attack my post because of how specific it is, I'm trying to use as general terms as possible.
Also, here:
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(15:25:36) CheeZe477: lmaO: (15:24:53) CheeZe477: i tell him to prove it
(15:24:55) CheeZe477: and he's like
(15:24:57) CheeZe477: YOU PROVE IT
(15:25:05) CheeZe477: i'm like WTF
(15:25:06) CheeZe477: :/
(15:30:12) deathknight13579: more poonage
(15:30:20) CheeZe477: ya i already pwned
(15:30:21) CheeZe477: it's all good
(15:31:05) CheeZe477: damn dk
(15:31:10) CheeZe477: all you did was repeat waht i said
(15:31:13) CheeZe477: but in a newbie manner
(15:31:15) CheeZe477: so maybe he can udnerstand it
(15:31:20) deathknight13579: lol
(15:31:22) deathknight13579: I didn't
(15:31:23) deathknight13579: read
(15:31:23) deathknight13579: wtf
(15:31:30) deathknight13579: there are like 7 posts a second
(15:31:32) deathknight13579: and
(15:31:33) CheeZe477: lmao
(15:31:35) deathknight13579: you can't reply
(15:31:36) deathknight13579:
(15:31:43) CheeZe477: XD
(15:32:06) deathknight13579: meh
(15:32:07) CheeZe477: not my fault
(15:32:09) CheeZe477: you played uberena
(15:32:15) CheeZe477: while i was
(15:32:16) CheeZe477: kicking ass
(15:32:17) CheeZe477:
(15:32:17) deathknight13579: :/
(15:32:23) CheeZe477: brb
(15:37:57) deathknight13579: but OMG
(15:38:02) deathknight13579: THE COLONYSHIP IS REAL
(15:38:05) deathknight13579: CHEEZE
(15:38:07) deathknight13579: IT'S REAL
(15:38:16) CheeZe477: I KNOW
(15:38:17) deathknight13579: YOU CAN'T PROVE IT DOESN'T EXIST SO IT'S AUTOMATICALLY REAL
(15:38:18) CheeZe477: LOL
(15:38:20) CheeZe477: YAYAYAY
(15:38:24) CheeZe477: YOU CANT PROVE GOD IS NOT REAL
(15:38:27) CheeZe477: SO GOD IS REAL TOO
(15:40:04) deathknight13579: LOLOL YE
(15:40:12) deathknight13579: ZEUS IS REAL TOO LO L
(15:40:21) CheeZe477: yayya
(15:40:22) CheeZe477: OF course!~
(15:40:23) deathknight13579: AND DRAGONS ARE REAL
(15:40:26) CheeZe477: i can't beleiv you denied them
(15:40:37) deathknight13579: AND OMG TEH HUGE MECHA IN TEH OCEAN IS REAL TOO
(15:40:42) CheeZe477: hwxck
(15:40:59) deathknight13579: I SEEN IT BUT HAV NO PROOF, IT'S REAL!!!
(15:41:29) CheeZe477: ..
(15:41:34) CheeZe477: you're sounding drunken wrestler now
(15:41:38) CheeZe477: liek
(15:41:39) deathknight13579: -_
(15:41:47) deathknight13579: -_0
(15:41:53) deathknight13579: bleh
(15:41:59) deathknight13579: BUT OMG IT IS LOLO!L!O1l1
(15:42:09) CheeZe477: ok
(15:42:11) CheeZe477: i'll pwn
(15:42:12) CheeZe477: the thread
(15:42:13) CheeZe477: AGAIN
(15:42:14) CheeZe477: this time
(15:42:18) deathknight13579: with
(15:42:18) CheeZe477: i'm going to comepletely demolish it
(15:42:20) CheeZe477: like for real
(15:42:22) deathknight13579: just
(15:42:24) deathknight13579: copy this convo
(15:42:25) deathknight13579: lol
(15:42:27) CheeZe477: ok
(15:42:29) CheeZe477: ill do that too
(15:24:55) CheeZe477: and he's like
(15:24:57) CheeZe477: YOU PROVE IT
(15:25:05) CheeZe477: i'm like WTF
(15:25:06) CheeZe477: :/
(15:30:12) deathknight13579: more poonage
(15:30:20) CheeZe477: ya i already pwned
(15:30:21) CheeZe477: it's all good
(15:31:05) CheeZe477: damn dk
(15:31:10) CheeZe477: all you did was repeat waht i said
(15:31:13) CheeZe477: but in a newbie manner
(15:31:15) CheeZe477: so maybe he can udnerstand it
(15:31:20) deathknight13579: lol
(15:31:22) deathknight13579: I didn't
(15:31:23) deathknight13579: read
(15:31:23) deathknight13579: wtf
(15:31:30) deathknight13579: there are like 7 posts a second
(15:31:32) deathknight13579: and
(15:31:33) CheeZe477: lmao
(15:31:35) deathknight13579: you can't reply
(15:31:36) deathknight13579:
(15:31:43) CheeZe477: XD
(15:32:06) deathknight13579: meh
(15:32:07) CheeZe477: not my fault
(15:32:09) CheeZe477: you played uberena
(15:32:15) CheeZe477: while i was
(15:32:16) CheeZe477: kicking ass
(15:32:17) CheeZe477:
(15:32:17) deathknight13579: :/
(15:32:23) CheeZe477: brb
(15:37:57) deathknight13579: but OMG
(15:38:02) deathknight13579: THE COLONYSHIP IS REAL
(15:38:05) deathknight13579: CHEEZE
(15:38:07) deathknight13579: IT'S REAL
(15:38:16) CheeZe477: I KNOW
(15:38:17) deathknight13579: YOU CAN'T PROVE IT DOESN'T EXIST SO IT'S AUTOMATICALLY REAL
(15:38:18) CheeZe477: LOL
(15:38:20) CheeZe477: YAYAYAY
(15:38:24) CheeZe477: YOU CANT PROVE GOD IS NOT REAL
(15:38:27) CheeZe477: SO GOD IS REAL TOO
(15:40:04) deathknight13579: LOLOL YE
(15:40:12) deathknight13579: ZEUS IS REAL TOO LO L
(15:40:21) CheeZe477: yayya
(15:40:22) CheeZe477: OF course!~
(15:40:23) deathknight13579: AND DRAGONS ARE REAL
(15:40:26) CheeZe477: i can't beleiv you denied them
(15:40:37) deathknight13579: AND OMG TEH HUGE MECHA IN TEH OCEAN IS REAL TOO
(15:40:42) CheeZe477: hwxck
(15:40:59) deathknight13579: I SEEN IT BUT HAV NO PROOF, IT'S REAL!!!
(15:41:29) CheeZe477: ..
(15:41:34) CheeZe477: you're sounding drunken wrestler now
(15:41:38) CheeZe477: liek
(15:41:39) deathknight13579: -_
(15:41:47) deathknight13579: -_0
(15:41:53) deathknight13579: bleh
(15:41:59) deathknight13579: BUT OMG IT IS LOLO!L!O1l1
(15:42:09) CheeZe477: ok
(15:42:11) CheeZe477: i'll pwn
(15:42:12) CheeZe477: the thread
(15:42:13) CheeZe477: AGAIN
(15:42:14) CheeZe477: this time
(15:42:18) deathknight13579: with
(15:42:18) CheeZe477: i'm going to comepletely demolish it
(15:42:20) CheeZe477: like for real
(15:42:22) deathknight13579: just
(15:42:24) deathknight13579: copy this convo
(15:42:25) deathknight13579: lol
(15:42:27) CheeZe477: ok
(15:42:29) CheeZe477: ill do that too
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-12 at 16:54:56
QUOTE(Cheeze)
Ki and/or Chi is not energy
Then what is it?
And ooooo. You guys can talk shit on me off SEN, but are you chicken to do it on SEN.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-12 at 16:55:27
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jul 12 2005, 02:47 PM)
Eh.. I'm pretty sure energy is real. After all, it takes "energy" to move your arm to type that. So... I can conclude energy is real. And.. it can be in this world, you know what an explosion is? Energy!
No it doesn't. Energy still must follow the laws of physics. And chemistry. And other laws. Espcially thermodynamics.
God is an idea.
I'm not sure how you connected it... but assuming you did it correct, you still have to prove many things. Anyway, energy isn't "miraculous", I see it and use it all the time. There's nothing super natural about it!
Ki and/or Chi is not energy. It's another super natural belief. So far, all you've been doing is raising the amount of things you need to prove. A very dumb thing to do if you've heard of Occam's Razor.
Likewise, you assume that because a cat can stare into emtpy space, it's looking at a super natural, or similar effect. I don't try to attack my post because of how specific it is, I'm trying to use as general terms as possible.
Also, here:
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No it doesn't. Energy still must follow the laws of physics. And chemistry. And other laws. Espcially thermodynamics.
God is an idea.
I'm not sure how you connected it... but assuming you did it correct, you still have to prove many things. Anyway, energy isn't "miraculous", I see it and use it all the time. There's nothing super natural about it!
Ki and/or Chi is not energy. It's another super natural belief. So far, all you've been doing is raising the amount of things you need to prove. A very dumb thing to do if you've heard of Occam's Razor.
Likewise, you assume that because a cat can stare into emtpy space, it's looking at a super natural, or similar effect. I don't try to attack my post because of how specific it is, I'm trying to use as general terms as possible.
Also, here:
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wtf was that all ab out? i also noted that you took out the other half of the conversation...funny aint it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-12 at 17:22:37
Know what's more funny? You saying that you're the most open minded person I'll ever meet. Good thing that part was cut over the conversation ya know?
My point is just, arrogance is bearable, but extreme arrgance is unbearable. So, stop acting really arrogant please.
My point is just, arrogance is bearable, but extreme arrgance is unbearable. So, stop acting really arrogant please.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-12 at 19:13:30
ok, listen up all you *ucking faggots and 
wads who think that they are " al that and a bag of chips"! you all need to get the *uck over yourselfs. yes, ALL of you, even the mods. yes, about the mods, you all think that you can do and say whetever you want, but thats bull shit. just cus your a mod, dont mean your god. chuiu, you warned me for making a general comment, WHAT THE *UCK DID I DO THAT THEY DIDN'T?? they call me all kinds of things and then I get blamed for it? YOU SHOULD ROT IN HELL YOU PEACE OF SHIT!! also, you warned kellimus for what he said.....and how is that not immiture? oh thats right, your a mod. well *uck you and everyone else on the ing site. lets move on shal we? all of you *uckers who never think there wrong, cheeze, alpha, deathknight. you are the reason everyone hates america. your stuck up "know it alls" well guess what, you dont know shit. cheeze, all he dose is hide behind his "burden of proof". well i gave you a way to satisfy that, and you told me to take it up the ass. GO EAT YOU MOTHERS HERPA-GONA-SYPHL-AIDS!!!!! *ucking cocksuckers liek you who dont have a life that make good things like this form, this topic even, turn into a stinky pile-o-shit. to make it worse, we have -nuggets like alpha who cant make there own point, they have to agree with everyone elses posts just so he has something to say! i mean my god, if you dont have enought brain cells to make your own ideaa, then dont en post you en peace of shit!! and dont think i forgot about you, yoshi. your runnign of this site is almost as good as bush runnign this country. you sit on your throne and just let your mods do all the ing work. i have not seen you in a forom once. NOT ONCE! and your supposed to be runnign this site? how can you run a site if your never there? you think that this site is all "professional" and shit....ITS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF B.NET!! this iorn fist thing you have going on, realy, what are you....a commie? your a en commie arnt you? MOTHER LAND BITCH. go home to russia and iorn fist your mom you pathetic mother er! you try to make this site a democracy, it's not.it's a en dictation. what i say goes...exept for my mods...they have different rules....WTF is up with that?if your going to set rules, make it so that EVERYONE fallows them, not just us that arn't mods.
wads who think that they are " al that and a bag of chips"! you all need to get the *uck over yourselfs. yes, ALL of you, even the mods. yes, about the mods, you all think that you can do and say whetever you want, but thats bull shit. just cus your a mod, dont mean your god. chuiu, you warned me for making a general comment, WHAT THE *UCK DID I DO THAT THEY DIDN'T?? they call me all kinds of things and then I get blamed for it? YOU SHOULD ROT IN HELL YOU PEACE OF SHIT!! also, you warned kellimus for what he said.....and how is that not immiture? oh thats right, your a mod. well *uck you and everyone else on the ing site. lets move on shal we? all of you *uckers who never think there wrong, cheeze, alpha, deathknight. you are the reason everyone hates america. your stuck up "know it alls" well guess what, you dont know shit. cheeze, all he dose is hide behind his "burden of proof". well i gave you a way to satisfy that, and you told me to take it up the ass. GO EAT YOU MOTHERS HERPA-GONA-SYPHL-AIDS!!!!! *ucking cocksuckers liek you who dont have a life that make good things like this form, this topic even, turn into a stinky pile-o-shit. to make it worse, we have -nuggets like alpha who cant make there own point, they have to agree with everyone elses posts just so he has something to say! i mean my god, if you dont have enought brain cells to make your own ideaa, then dont en post you en peace of shit!! and dont think i forgot about you, yoshi. your runnign of this site is almost as good as bush runnign this country. you sit on your throne and just let your mods do all the ing work. i have not seen you in a forom once. NOT ONCE! and your supposed to be runnign this site? how can you run a site if your never there? you think that this site is all "professional" and shit....ITS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF B.NET!! this iorn fist thing you have going on, realy, what are you....a commie? your a en commie arnt you? MOTHER LAND BITCH. go home to russia and iorn fist your mom you pathetic mother er! you try to make this site a democracy, it's not.it's a en dictation. what i say goes...exept for my mods...they have different rules....WTF is up with that?if your going to set rules, make it so that EVERYONE fallows them, not just us that arn't mods.Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-07-12 at 22:29:40
I know this goes back, but about the whole "egyptians worshipped cats" thing, guess what they also worshipped. Dung beetles, crocodiles, and various other random creatures. Also, about them "seeing supernatural forces" I have been with cats all my life, and I've never once seen one do that, and seeing as the house im currently living in's previous owner commited suicide, by your reasoning I shouldn't be able to swing a proverbrial cat without hitting a ghost. Is that good enough for you. On ouija boards, so you think that your "spiritual" ghosts can affect a large piece of wood, yet not be physical or detected with scientific equipment, after all, if it can move a board chances are you can detect it with advanced equipment, sadly for you, nobody ever has. And please, please, please, don't start the junk about thermal sensors seeing them, thats caused by your central heating system, or, *gasp* air currents. Also, seeing as you're set on the "fact" that cats can see stuff we can't, have you ever considered that its a perfectly natural phenominon, such as waking dreams, play hunting, or just sheer boredome. After all, I could stare at the wall, then leap at it and seem to pounce on a supernatural entity, does that mean that I can see ghosts? I really hope that you've at least been cured of your belief that cameras capture ghosts, because if not, I'll have to upload my "ghost footage".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-13 at 05:07:30
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Acording to Religion, God is a form of "Energy"
Depends on which religon, and haven't you heard of that whole e=mc squared thing that proved god doesn't exist?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-13 at 09:33:28
I KNOW A FORM OF ENERGY! KINETIC!
AND POTENTIONAL!
Translation: Energy is Kinetic and Potential, not spiritual bullshit.
AND POTENTIONAL!
Translation: Energy is Kinetic and Potential, not spiritual bullshit.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-07-13 at 12:37:03
Wow. Lots of cool stuff in this thread. I'd just like to add some clarification, though. You guys are throwing the word "supernatural" around as if it's an accurate way to describe some phenomena you've witnessed. Well, even if you believe in ghosts and that sort of thing, who's to say that they're not "natural"? If something exists, then it's natural. That includes whatever God you may believe in or whatever ghosts you see. "Supernatural" implies impossibility, not extreme improbability. If ghosts do exist then they are natural and therefore supernatural is an inaccurate way of describing them.
The main rebuttal I've always used against the arguments for the existence of ghosts is that if they can be perceived by humans, they can be perceived by measuring instruments. For example, if you see a ghost, that means that it either reflects photons (which is measurable) or that it is placing false electrical signals in your brain making you think that you perceived photons hitting your eyes in a specific pattern designed to look like whatever you saw, and that's at just one particular moment. If you hear a ghost, that means it has a physical presence of some sort because it can move atoms (vibrate atmosphere to produce soundwaves) or it again has placed false information in your brain (a fluctuation of which would still be measurable - electrical impulses don't just appear from nowhere, and it would be mighty suspicious, even supernatural, if they did). If you smell a ghost, that means particles from it have entered your nose and can be retreived and studied. Any of the senses with which we humans interpret the universe has been duplicated and can be redemonstrated more accurately by sophisticated measuring equipment (except taste, but I've never heard of anyone ever tasting a ghost).
Any thoughts, anybody?
The main rebuttal I've always used against the arguments for the existence of ghosts is that if they can be perceived by humans, they can be perceived by measuring instruments. For example, if you see a ghost, that means that it either reflects photons (which is measurable) or that it is placing false electrical signals in your brain making you think that you perceived photons hitting your eyes in a specific pattern designed to look like whatever you saw, and that's at just one particular moment. If you hear a ghost, that means it has a physical presence of some sort because it can move atoms (vibrate atmosphere to produce soundwaves) or it again has placed false information in your brain (a fluctuation of which would still be measurable - electrical impulses don't just appear from nowhere, and it would be mighty suspicious, even supernatural, if they did). If you smell a ghost, that means particles from it have entered your nose and can be retreived and studied. Any of the senses with which we humans interpret the universe has been duplicated and can be redemonstrated more accurately by sophisticated measuring equipment (except taste, but I've never heard of anyone ever tasting a ghost).
Any thoughts, anybody?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-13 at 15:14:11
Wow, nozomu, that was really cool. It makes a lot of sense what you've said, but haven't people gone into houses with tape recorders or other machines and caught this type of stuff? The 'false information' theory is interesting too; is the ability to get this information what we think is our sixth sense?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-07-13 at 15:57:01
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Wow, nozomu, that was really cool. It makes a lot of sense what you've said, but haven't people gone into houses with tape recorders or other machines and caught this type of stuff? The 'false information' theory is interesting too; is the ability to get this information what we think is our sixth sense?
Tape recorders? Other machines?
Ohh ya, I'm sure that those yells that sound like they're low-quality recordings are real.
Ooo, a floating circle! One that happens to look exactly like an effect of the light, or a smudge on the lens!
>_>
Those are the only two things I have ever heard of being called productive searches.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-13 at 17:22:18
There used to be a show on about ghosts and it would have someone go into a 'haunted' house and usually you would hear footsteps or screaming. Its all sound effects, how can you just say "There's a ghost in that house RIGHT NOW so I'm gonna run in there with a camera." I can understand if maybe you were taking some sort of picture and later on you discovered something (which could be smudges or bad developing).
Nozumo, what about the people that don't belive in ghosts, can't we use it as supernatural?
Nozumo, what about the people that don't belive in ghosts, can't we use it as supernatural?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-07-13 at 18:16:10
Hm...Ghosts...eh.. the only ghosts I believe in are the ones I use to write stories with =P Author needs material, ya know. Anyway, I've been thinking about this(only for 30 or 40 seconds though, so don't expect anythin good) and I started going to back to humans. Ghosts SUPPOSEDLY come from humans, right? Well, what could cause something like that to happen IF it did happen. Let's take a look see, shall we?
After a body dies, it gets colder and colder(losing energy) and goes stiff as well. Afterwards, it decomposes. None of the things contained in the human body have the ability to act on their own whilst dead. But wait! What about your brain? Well, it all depends how you die, but usually(or in most cases), my guess is that the brain eventually stops working. I'm not sure if it stops right as the persons heartbeat stops, or their lungs stop, or right when they die, because they don't lose all their energy immediately. But even if the brain did work for a little while after death, it would eventually stop, and does NOT have the ability to produce ghosts(not for others anyway). It can produce ghosts, but not real ones.
Lemme explain. Your brain is capable of morphing any information you recieve into whatever you wish it to be. For instances, you could have just watched a horror movie, or have been thinking about ghosts and haunting and stuff, when somethign suddenly creaks, or your hear stuff going on. Naturally you'd be scared, all the information you're recieving is being morphed because you're constantly thinking about ghosts(Thats a given), you unconsiosly would rather be right(human nature), and you cant think of any other non-ghost related thoughts at the moment. So, in a way, we make our own ghosts. Hell, I still end up thinking something is a ghost sometimes. Not my consious self, but my subconsious self does. I eventually remember its a product of my own mind and nothing to fear, but it still happens. It's in our nature.
Then there are these reportings of stuff moving in houses and lights going on and off and shit. Ever watch Punk'd? Scare Tactics? That kind of stuff is totally possible without ghosts or spirits. You don't even need humans to manipulate that situation. Anf if a house keeps having these problems, its obvious that they picked a bad place to build a house, or it's simply been getting worse and worse over time.. Problems only happen where problems CAN happen. If a house is going haywire, its probably cause of what where it is, or how it's made and what's been happening to it. And seriously, how can Ghosts disobey the laws of physics? If they did, then they wouldn't exist here. Somewhere else? mebbe. But not here.
Once again, correct me if I'm wrong. If you wish, feel free to use this as flamebait, I'm bored anyway.
After a body dies, it gets colder and colder(losing energy) and goes stiff as well. Afterwards, it decomposes. None of the things contained in the human body have the ability to act on their own whilst dead. But wait! What about your brain? Well, it all depends how you die, but usually(or in most cases), my guess is that the brain eventually stops working. I'm not sure if it stops right as the persons heartbeat stops, or their lungs stop, or right when they die, because they don't lose all their energy immediately. But even if the brain did work for a little while after death, it would eventually stop, and does NOT have the ability to produce ghosts(not for others anyway). It can produce ghosts, but not real ones.
Lemme explain. Your brain is capable of morphing any information you recieve into whatever you wish it to be. For instances, you could have just watched a horror movie, or have been thinking about ghosts and haunting and stuff, when somethign suddenly creaks, or your hear stuff going on. Naturally you'd be scared, all the information you're recieving is being morphed because you're constantly thinking about ghosts(Thats a given), you unconsiosly would rather be right(human nature), and you cant think of any other non-ghost related thoughts at the moment. So, in a way, we make our own ghosts. Hell, I still end up thinking something is a ghost sometimes. Not my consious self, but my subconsious self does. I eventually remember its a product of my own mind and nothing to fear, but it still happens. It's in our nature.
Then there are these reportings of stuff moving in houses and lights going on and off and shit. Ever watch Punk'd? Scare Tactics? That kind of stuff is totally possible without ghosts or spirits. You don't even need humans to manipulate that situation. Anf if a house keeps having these problems, its obvious that they picked a bad place to build a house, or it's simply been getting worse and worse over time.. Problems only happen where problems CAN happen. If a house is going haywire, its probably cause of what where it is, or how it's made and what's been happening to it. And seriously, how can Ghosts disobey the laws of physics? If they did, then they wouldn't exist here. Somewhere else? mebbe. But not here.
Once again, correct me if I'm wrong. If you wish, feel free to use this as flamebait, I'm bored anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-14 at 08:54:20
QUOTE(FallenDreamer @ Jul 13 2005, 03:16 PM)
Hm...Ghosts...eh.. the only ghosts I believe in are the ones I use to write stories with =P Author needs material, ya know. Anyway, I've been thinking about this(only for 30 or 40 seconds though, so don't expect anythin good) and I started going to back to humans. Ghosts SUPPOSEDLY come from humans, right? Well, what could cause something like that to happen IF it did happen. Let's take a look see, shall we?
After a body dies, it gets colder and colder(losing energy) and goes stiff as well. Afterwards, it decomposes. None of the things contained in the human body have the ability to act on their own whilst dead. But wait! What about your brain? Well, it all depends how you die, but usually(or in most cases), my guess is that the brain eventually stops working. I'm not sure if it stops right as the persons heartbeat stops, or their lungs stop, or right when they die, because they don't lose all their energy immediately. But even if the brain did work for a little while after death, it would eventually stop, and does NOT have the ability to produce ghosts(not for others anyway). It can produce ghosts, but not real ones.
Lemme explain. Your brain is capable of morphing any information you recieve into whatever you wish it to be. For instances, you could have just watched a horror movie, or have been thinking about ghosts and haunting and stuff, when somethign suddenly creaks, or your hear stuff going on. Naturally you'd be scared, all the information you're recieving is being morphed because you're constantly thinking about ghosts(Thats a given), you unconsiosly would rather be right(human nature), and you cant think of any other non-ghost related thoughts at the moment. So, in a way, we make our own ghosts. Hell, I still end up thinking something is a ghost sometimes. Not my consious self, but my subconsious self does. I eventually remember its a product of my own mind and nothing to fear, but it still happens. It's in our nature.
Then there are these reportings of stuff moving in houses and lights going on and off and . Ever watch Punk'd? Scare Tactics? That kind of stuff is totally possible without ghosts or spirits. You don't even need humans to manipulate that situation. Anf if a house keeps having these problems, its obvious that they picked a bad place to build a house, or it's simply been getting worse and worse over time.. Problems only happen where problems CAN happen. If a house is going haywire, its probably cause of what where it is, or how it's made and what's been happening to it. And seriously, how can Ghosts disobey the laws of physics? If they did, then they wouldn't exist here. Somewhere else? mebbe. But not here.
Once again, correct me if I'm wrong. If you wish, feel free to use this as flamebait, I'm bored anyway.
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After a body dies, it gets colder and colder(losing energy) and goes stiff as well. Afterwards, it decomposes. None of the things contained in the human body have the ability to act on their own whilst dead. But wait! What about your brain? Well, it all depends how you die, but usually(or in most cases), my guess is that the brain eventually stops working. I'm not sure if it stops right as the persons heartbeat stops, or their lungs stop, or right when they die, because they don't lose all their energy immediately. But even if the brain did work for a little while after death, it would eventually stop, and does NOT have the ability to produce ghosts(not for others anyway). It can produce ghosts, but not real ones.
Lemme explain. Your brain is capable of morphing any information you recieve into whatever you wish it to be. For instances, you could have just watched a horror movie, or have been thinking about ghosts and haunting and stuff, when somethign suddenly creaks, or your hear stuff going on. Naturally you'd be scared, all the information you're recieving is being morphed because you're constantly thinking about ghosts(Thats a given), you unconsiosly would rather be right(human nature), and you cant think of any other non-ghost related thoughts at the moment. So, in a way, we make our own ghosts. Hell, I still end up thinking something is a ghost sometimes. Not my consious self, but my subconsious self does. I eventually remember its a product of my own mind and nothing to fear, but it still happens. It's in our nature.
Then there are these reportings of stuff moving in houses and lights going on and off and
. Ever watch Punk'd? Scare Tactics? That kind of stuff is totally possible without ghosts or spirits. You don't even need humans to manipulate that situation. Anf if a house keeps having these problems, its obvious that they picked a bad place to build a house, or it's simply been getting worse and worse over time.. Problems only happen where problems CAN happen. If a house is going haywire, its probably cause of what where it is, or how it's made and what's been happening to it. And seriously, how can Ghosts disobey the laws of physics? If they did, then they wouldn't exist here. Somewhere else? mebbe. But not here.Once again, correct me if I'm wrong. If you wish, feel free to use this as flamebait, I'm bored anyway.
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Well I guess that makes sense, when my grandfather was in the hospital, he would constantly look up and raise his hands and just touch the air, and even mumble to the ceiling, but we saw nothing. Thats just his mind tellnig him that there are ghosts(because he was super religous and believed in that kind of stuff)?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-07-14 at 12:26:44
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It can produce ghosts, but not real ones.
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Their are fake ghosts???? Hmm....
Oh yeah and Parth that must of been pretty sad watching him do that
