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Everything mankind has every discovered or conceived fails to remain true. Most things we take to be hard facts because we have never experienced otherwise, or have been convinced by superiors that it is so. For example, the world was flat a few centuries back in every mind across the globe. For one we couldn't comprehend a sphere that large and the effects of flatness it would have on its inhabitants. Secondly, though, it was because every generation had been taught from the former one that the world was flat. But then the ideas of one man stood out amonst the belief and arguements were put forth such as why the sail appeared before the bow on a ship coming over the horizon. These ideas were denied any credit and the man was shunt for his idea. Yet later, everyone gladly changed their minds when the superiors received the results from the first few trips around the world and realized the truth. It was only in their wake that the population changed its minds.

The point, or rather points, I am trying to get across are:

1- Humans stand strong on what they beleive, even if it is wrong. The evidence can be stacked on either side and still the two will continue to hold their beliefs. This is a major block for advancement because we tend to close our minds.

2- Influence controls the population. What the higher ups believe is usually accepted, and the individual will no longer hold on to his beleifs. Why? Adolph Hitler convinced his entire population to loathe Jews to the point they were treated inhuman. A single individual with no previous influence or reputation could never have invoked such a massive change of heart. And yet I can easily stack the cards theother way and say that those are the sort of people who lead revolutions, whihc leads to my last point...

3- Everything and anything has evidence and proof on both sides of the agument. Anything can be debated and both sides can alway muster suffiecient evidence to keep arguing. Arguements against superiors tend to spark many others to argue against the common beleifs. Therefore, one can gain influence by questioning a common beleif.

It is all one big game of Rock, Paper, Scissors...

Influence conquers individual beleifs, arguement questions and shifts influence, and individual beleifs hold strong to arguement.

NOTE: I apply non of the above to everyone, as they are always exceptions to every rule.

Of course, prove there is no god, and not one religon will disenegrate.


I'd believe the type of control, and what the people are used it is what controls influence. Right now if Bush said "Jews suck, stick them in ovens." He'd be impeached instantly. Germany wasn't in a democracy back then (was it?). They couldn't exactly "rebel" against their leader. If the Germans were adapted to democracy back then, they would've impeached em instantly.

Good comparison to rock paper scissors.

OFF TOPIC: How the hell does paper beat rock? I don't see college ruled paper strangling students, how the hell could it cover a rock and the rock collapse and 'die'?!?!?!

Fails to remain true? Remain true to whom? To us, the human race in general, there are a lot of things that remain to be true. Like 1+1=2. Not three, not four. Two.

People close their minds mainly because they don't want to change. They don't really care. They want to live a happy life, and not worry about stuff they don't really care about. Or they're out to bull themselves to make themselves feel better, cause they think they're failures in some way. Or that something happened to them they don't want to remember. Cause let's face it folks, The Truth is a .

It's not all one big game of rock, paper, scissors, it's more like one big game of bull .

BTW - Parth, hitler was elected THROUGH a democracy. Of course, there were a lot of dark shady things about it. But the bottom line is, germany was a democracy.

This is because that is the only ways we recieve information in the world. Without these input, the only facts that we could have would ones we come up with purely on our own, which would not be accepted as facts untill you proved it to other people by having them experience it or having them look up to you.
There are limits to these extremes though, the popular beliefs of the people guide the ruler where to go, from which he makes a decision. You cannot convince a people to do something that they absolutely would not do. The only way to do this, is if you teach them that it is normal to do whatever it is your trying to do. If you convince a person that it is ok to do something, they will do it.

Was impeachment possible back then?!

Uh, Germany was never a Democracy until after Hitler was the leader. Before it was a Dictatorship....



Impeachment has been around since the begining of Democracy.

The only Democracy that has actually worked, was the Greeks Democracy (Yes, we took the Greeks Democracy)

We aren't a true Democracy anymore because we have a House and a Senate (Which are part of the Republic type of government. The Romans) I said anymore, because back in our founding fathers time, we didn't have a House, nor a Senate. So therefor, it is no longer the People that vote, it is representatives that vote for us, thus making it not a Democracy.

Any more questions?

On the off-topic side, many people believe it was Hitler that did all of these bad things. But while reading the book The Lord of the Flies for our final project this year in english, our teacher was talking about how it was not all Hitlers fault. Hitler had a.. bah can't remember his name but he acted like he was more powerful then Hitler, and would attack people, it started out as: "You can't live next to this person, move or be fined," then moved on to "You can't live in this neighborhood, or you will be beaten," then "You can't live in this city, or you will be killed." The punishments kept getting worse and worse until they just starting killing jews for no reason at all. Hitler was in power at the time, but it was someone else who gave Hitler the commands to kill them.

Meh, don't think I'm explaining too good. It didn't even have to do with the topic, but just stating something.

Actually, Kellimus, Germany was a democracy before Hitler was a leader. Hitler rose to power through this democracy, he was elected, and then he turned Germany into a dictatorship.

About the greek democracy though, you're all right.

I did some wikipedia-ing as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#The_road_to_power

It clearly states DEMOCRATIC REGIME in the second sentence.

Well I think it would be hard to have everyone in the US to vote on every single thing going on. Especially since many people wouldn't follow politics and make wise decisions. I believe that we do elect the people who are in the house and senate, so that they can make good decisions for us. They represent us.

Do you even know what a Regime is?



Yes, they do. But they do a job

A regime is a form of government or administration, Kellimus, so what are you trying to prove?

The administration part. It wasn't a true democracy like ours. So therefor, Hitler gained power cause it was an administration, not a government.

It was still democratic, he got voted into presidency, through fraud or otherwise.

And, would you please explain the difference between a democratic administration and a democratic government?

He never got voted into presidency... Wtf are you smoking?

If you know the difference between an Administration and a government, then you shouldn't have to ask that question.

He still got voted into his leadership position, Kellimus.

And, why not TELL ME the answer to my goddamn question rather than make fun of me?

How did I make fun of you? I don't see me making fun of you.

And he didn't get voted... He forced himself to the top....

Your making fun of me was implied in your writing, coupled with the way I interpret things.

And support your argument that he forced himself to the top. I want to see a source.

The source is history my friend.

And if you interperate the things I say, to imply that you are "dumb" or "stupid", maybe you're just paraniod. (Paraniod as in everyone is out to get you)

What I see is an intelligent topic is torn apart by unnecessary bickering.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure if I agree or disagree with your rock-paper-scissor theory, however, I believe your interpretations of the three topics.

For the first section, about beliefs, I don't entirely agree. There will always be the other side as you suggested in your third section, so there will be people that are open minded. History, however, has shown us people who are bigots and are firm to their opinions. An example would the racism in America. People are still divided from the events that took place in the 1960's. For the most part, you are right.

The media, influences people to act, dress or behave a certain way. In the past, when information was not so mainstream, people had a more diverse opinion on what is good. With the world linked, there is unity, but there is also conformity. I'm never sure if any people in my area realize that.

You are correct on the second part, about influence. The people in power usually do decide the matters at hand. Power is usually from money and from money, it can do nearly anything. For example, in my area of California, a freeway exists, but is unnecessarily long. The reason is that the people of Town A, who could have the freeway built through them and save thousands of people gas, time and money, don't want to. How do they decide this? Well, they are wealthier people than in Town B, which sums to more of Town A people in the city council.


For the third part about arguments, I also agree with this. In fact, I could disagree with what you say, but that would still prove this right. I think when it comes down to it, authority, society, and/or power greatly influences who is considered "right" to the bystander in the situation. Say a teacher and student is arguing. The kid needs to use the restroom, but the teacher won't let him. One could argue that releasing tension could help the kid study better. Another could say he should have went during recess. The teacher however, who has authority, determines the decision. It could be because of her opinion, or that she follows a rule.

Basically, the older society usually determines what influences you or not (unless you are socially isolated). The older society was influenced by the society that was even older and so on. Society, is also usually influenced by people in power. The people in power tend to be wealthy people.

If anyone wants to learn more about this topic, read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, anything by Albert Camus, and anything by Kurt Vonnegut. Sisyphus can be related here as well.

Overall, it's a great topic and I expect, your next topic to be just as great.

I would just like to take a moment to thank you for not arguing pointlessly over Hilter and Germany and actually being on topic.

Kell, admit you're wrong. Hitler was elected through the democratic proces. I loved your "DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A REGIME IS?'" comment after he pointed that out.

I seem to always have extremely bad luck in Rock Paper Scissors

I'd always lose like 8 to 11 times in a row to a friend of mine.

So much for staying on topic! Comon, this is total spam!!

Millenium, do you even know what the conversation at hand is about? Its not that type of rock paper scissors, its an extended metaphor for something bigger. Please stay on topic

Shapechanger, that's too far...