Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 03:51:33
I am a firm believer in quantum mechanics. Enstein created both general relativity and quantum mechanics you know. But, according to quantum mechanics, if something is not observed, then it is everywhere at every point in time doing every possible thing until it is observed.
E.g. If a particle of light is being seen by life then it acts as a particle. It is predictible and behaves like a normal particle. But, if it is not observed it turns into a wave which means it will be in every possible place at once (where you aren't looking) at every possible time. Kind of hard to believe, and understand.
SO, back to the point. If you wanted to go back in time you would have to know where every particle was at every moment and somehow place them there. Now, this is impossible because we are not observing 99% of space which means there is 99% of the universe in randomness and having "everywhere" locations for particles to be.
If we wanted to go forward in time we would need to predict where every particle would be, which is impossible because of choice and free will.
We MIGHT be able to test out random times or events by randomly placing every particle in any random location in the universe, but this probably wouldn't be smart or safe... probably not even possible (who knows).
Maybe I'm wrong? How about your guys' opinions?
I dont mind learning more about quantum mechanics. If I'm wrong I would love to hear a guru correct me
E.g. If a particle of light is being seen by life then it acts as a particle. It is predictible and behaves like a normal particle. But, if it is not observed it turns into a wave which means it will be in every possible place at once (where you aren't looking) at every possible time. Kind of hard to believe, and understand.
SO, back to the point. If you wanted to go back in time you would have to know where every particle was at every moment and somehow place them there. Now, this is impossible because we are not observing 99% of space which means there is 99% of the universe in randomness and having "everywhere" locations for particles to be.
If we wanted to go forward in time we would need to predict where every particle would be, which is impossible because of choice and free will.
We MIGHT be able to test out random times or events by randomly placing every particle in any random location in the universe, but this probably wouldn't be smart or safe... probably not even possible (who knows).
Maybe I'm wrong? How about your guys' opinions?
I dont mind learning more about quantum mechanics. If I'm wrong I would love to hear a guru correct me
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-10 at 03:57:58
Back to the point. Scientifically describe time travel. Time is relative.
If you measure time in seconds and define a second as a certain number of oscillations of a cesium atom, then "time travel" is possible.
If you measure time in seconds and define a second as a certain number of oscillations of a cesium atom, then "time travel" is possible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 04:01:27
How so? Even if you do reverse the atom's oscillations, which wouldn't accomplish anything (well, maybe some sort of radiation or something, I'm not sure), how could you go back in time? It still doesn't account for the fact that 99% percent of particles are randomly everywhere. How are you going to know where they are? Or does that even have anything to do with it?
Even if time is relative (I could understand time slowing as you die maybe, and when you're in a car crash its takes like 2 seconds but it feels like 2 hours) you couldn't go BACK in time.
Even if time is relative (I could understand time slowing as you die maybe, and when you're in a car crash its takes like 2 seconds but it feels like 2 hours) you couldn't go BACK in time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-10 at 04:15:05
True. But given my definiations, if you went around the universe in a ship at the speed of light, you'd travel ~3 billion years into the future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 04:16:06
Hmm... good argument..
Cant really counter that.
I'LL THINK OF A WAY THOUGH!
ADDITION:
Okay. You can go FORWARD in time (theoretically), but not backwards.
It is impossible to go BACKWARDS in time though, at least in my opinion.
Cant really counter that.
I'LL THINK OF A WAY THOUGH!
ADDITION:
Okay. You can go FORWARD in time (theoretically), but not backwards.
It is impossible to go BACKWARDS in time though, at least in my opinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2005-08-10 at 04:20:35
Its not possible no way, as you said. You would need to manipulate the movement, space, and distance, and just send in to a different space, like subspace, and it would have to reintergrate back to normal space but in a different time era. Theres the problem of getting back.
But, we where to have engines on our space shuttles to go that fast they be to Pluto and back under a month. I don't think the engines would last longer then 10 seconds, and would require some long cool down time. I'm talking about now. You would not be able to go forward in time it would seem like that but your just going really really fast. If time stoped if you moved at the speed of light you would be frozen because time stops supposivly. When time stops, atoms stop moving. The time stops when you move faster then light theory is most likly false.
But, we where to have engines on our space shuttles to go that fast they be to Pluto and back under a month. I don't think the engines would last longer then 10 seconds, and would require some long cool down time. I'm talking about now. You would not be able to go forward in time it would seem like that but your just going really really fast. If time stoped if you moved at the speed of light you would be frozen because time stops supposivly. When time stops, atoms stop moving. The time stops when you move faster then light theory is most likly false.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 04:39:21
Well no, the theory is probably right. Its just that no one will ever reach the speed of light (probably). One thing I dont get is how the theory works. I just dont know why.
Also, I believe you can go faster than light, but thats a different subject.
Also, I believe you can go faster than light, but thats a different subject.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-08-10 at 04:53:14
Wouldn't reversing the oscillation of a cesium atom just bring you back in time through your relativaty? I mean it doesn't even seem like it is going back because you'd just be making the clock move backwards not time. Besides, isn't time just a method of organizing the day?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 05:04:36
No, time is scientifically calculaed. Has some to do with the sun and the shadows and nightfall. but i think its the oscillations on the atom. I could be wrong though. And no, reverseing the oscillations wouldn't reverse time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2005-08-10 at 17:59:14
You can, Get a plan from england to thailand, There a good few hours a head of us, There ya go time travel... Forward in time...
Yes i was being a smart arse..
Yes i was being a smart arse..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-08-10 at 21:05:39
Yeah, if you wanna go back in time, then fly from Thailand to New England 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 21:15:13
Lol, this is below your guys's intellegence
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-08-10 at 22:29:02
OMG If I could go back in time, I'd change this post.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-08-10 at 22:42:48
Okay...
Time is, as it always has been:
"The transfer of energy as viewed from our perception at the rate we perceive it."
Therefore, you cannot reverse time without manipulating EVERY SINGLE ATOM in the universe and somehow move them all perfectly back tot he way they were in the past. Not possible, because in order to manipulate EVERY atom in the universe, you need to have control of ALL the energy in the universe.
Time is, as it always has been:
"The transfer of energy as viewed from our perception at the rate we perceive it."
Therefore, you cannot reverse time without manipulating EVERY SINGLE ATOM in the universe and somehow move them all perfectly back tot he way they were in the past. Not possible, because in order to manipulate EVERY atom in the universe, you need to have control of ALL the energy in the universe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IceWarrior98 on 2005-08-10 at 22:45:14
Time travel is impossible, how ever it is theorized that you can see a glimps into the future by using an extremely high powered laser beam. What is guessed to happen is the light particles will go to the end of the universe and come back threw the opposite side of the universe projecting an image of what is to come.
(Its just a theory)
(Its just a theory)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-08-10 at 22:50:04
Good things it's just a theory, because it's complete crap.
If you think about for more than a few seconds, why would a giant laser beam give us a glimpse into the future?
The least it would do is act like a time capsule, because by the time it refelcted and got back to us, it would be quite a while into the future, depending on what you reflected it off.
And in order to reach the end of the universe and slip through back to our side, it would be over 7 Trillion years...
By the way, I do beleive that if you get to the end of the universe, it doubles back on itself so that you come out the opposite end. It only makes sense, compared to the universe simply ending.
If you think about for more than a few seconds, why would a giant laser beam give us a glimpse into the future?
The least it would do is act like a time capsule, because by the time it refelcted and got back to us, it would be quite a while into the future, depending on what you reflected it off.
And in order to reach the end of the universe and slip through back to our side, it would be over 7 Trillion years...
By the way, I do beleive that if you get to the end of the universe, it doubles back on itself so that you come out the opposite end. It only makes sense, compared to the universe simply ending.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2005-08-11 at 20:59:26
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OMG If I could go back in time, I'd change this post.
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Did anyone catch that one there? I only wish I could go forward in time to change my post. That'd be sweet.
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I was about to do that...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-11 at 22:50:41
I think BeeR know how to time travel...
Honestly, it all depends on how you define it.
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Honestly, it all depends on how you define it.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-08-11 at 23:39:07
einsteins thoery of relativity only works here on earth, not in space or any other planet. If there was a way to go back in time, it would be different in space then here on earth.
Just to add, if you do go back in the past, you cannot change the past, you can only change the future.
Just to add, if you do go back in the past, you cannot change the past, you can only change the future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-08-12 at 19:28:21
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einsteins thoery of relativity only works here on earth, not in space or any other planet. If there was a way to go back in time, it would be different in space then here on earth.
I don't know where you got that information, but it's wrong. Relativity wouldn't work on earth, but it would work when dealing with massive objects, like other planets in relation with each other.The only way of time travel that has ever been rational was if you were traveling in a spaceship at very high speeds out to a point and then traveled back at high speeds. You would, in relation to the habitants of the destination, be much younger. This would enable people to only travel into the future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-13 at 02:53:06
To set it straight, as we know it, there are three different sets of laws of physics that apply to three different "universes".
At the macrophysical level, when dealing with bodies that are really, really, huge, Einstein and relativity apply.
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Get it?
At the macrophysical level, when dealing with bodies that are really, really, huge, Einstein and relativity apply.
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Get it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-08-13 at 14:54:49
The time it would take you to copy down the math of time travel by hand, would take a good solid 10 billion years. In other words, it's Impossible. End of story.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-08-13 at 17:08:56
BTW Einstein did not create Quantum mechanics, he fiercely opposed it. Schrodinger created it and other such as Bohr refined and tested it.
Time travel to the past may be possible, but its probably impossible to use a time "machine" to travel back past the moment of its creation.
Time travel to the past may be possible, but its probably impossible to use a time "machine" to travel back past the moment of its creation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-14 at 03:05:47
I never said Einstein created quantumn mechanics.
Ever heard of a computer? Didn't think so...
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The time it would take you to copy down the math of time travel by hand, would take a good solid 10 billion years. In other words, it's Impossible. End of story.
Ever heard of a computer? Didn't think so...