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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-08-10 at 05:30:55
I wasn't sure to post this at blizzforums or here, but I've been here longer, and more people know me.

Bullying has always been a problem, everywhere. Where most frequenly it happens, is in school. In front of the eyes of other peers, the bully thrives on attention and or some sort of reassurance of gratitude which may of been caused from a eery childhood. Some use words as their weapon, and some use fists as their weapon.

I'm going into my first grade of high school, and I've been pretty worried about it. I haven't told any of my friends about it, as most of them see high school as their release and safe haven, a place where they can thrive and flourish.

I've always had trouble dealing with bullies, and I've never been able to successfully deal with it. It's always been there in elemantry and junior high, but I'm not sure what high school has to bring. The fact of the matter is, there is only three years left before I can reach my safe haven, Universty. A place where bullying is almost non-existant, or so I believe. People would rather do papers and work instead of wasting their time with me. It costs money to go to Universty, so it's going to hurt them in the long run to ruin their time trying to pick on people.

I'm basically more affected by those who make insults and put-downs to me instead of those that threaten with physical brutality. I'm more interested in keeping my mental well-being intact, and most physical wounds heal over time, though, scars in the mind do not. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. I've tried ignoring them, but they just keep on-going, seeing they have no effect on me. If I simply, choose to walk away, the next time they're full of steam with more insults and put-downs. Telling them to stop only incites more insults, and telling them how I feel about their insults, well, is quite self-explantory.

I've been talking to ShadowBrood, and l)ark_13 about the issue in the shoutbox, but I feel I would get a better response here, and potentially, solve my problem once and for all, or keep me from killing myself over the next three years.

Just a note here: I don't like to use violence to solve things. I'm not a trouble maker either, and I don't do drugs of any sort. I'm a typical run of the mill kid and

Solutions given to me to help battle bullies is as follows:

Exert Revenge on said one, but I don't see how this will really solve anything in the long run, since they'll just come back looking for more REVENGE.

Work out. I admit that I'm not the fittest guy around, but I don't have a problem standing my ground against bigger people. I don't like to start fights on the basis on an insult though, since that is not my way. They, on the other have may have different things in mind. As said, phyiscal bullies don't really annoy me, nor am I rarely pestered by them.

Develop a "bad-ass" persona: Suggested by ShadowBrood, I'm not sure I could mold myself to be a junivenle trouble maker and a rule-breaker. I don't like getting in trouble, I don't like fights, and I don't like swearing. My family consists of smart people, not "bad-asses" who kick other people for the sake of it.

Try and become popular: As said, becoming popular also seems viable. The only problem is, the matter of conforming, and you don't become popular overnight.

Change completely: This is much of a last resort, since diverse make-overs cannot often be un-done, and severely bring consquences in the near future.

Get a girlfriend: True, that when I had a girlfriend, I was never picked on. The problem is people then become nosey and insult your choice in a girl. It's not every day you come across a girl you like with a nice personality and good looks.

IGNORE COMPLETELY: This is what I've been trying to do for a while. It does work, but not to what I hope. Insults and put-downs are almost to ignore, since they're so constant, you start to believe them after a while. Especially added on the fact that your so called friends start beating around the bush about the subject, it hurts. Ditching my friends would be stupid, and ditching some of them wouldn't work. Most of my friends hang out with my other friends, so when we hang out, I have to tolerate the people who I usually don't like.

That's all I can think of right now, and I'm tired. Input about how high school is like, or any suggestions that may help me are welcome.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IceWarrior98 on 2005-08-10 at 05:57:36
I know how you feel, I got a couple years left in High School (Thank God!) and i've been picked on since I started there, but now that i'm moving i'm going to have to go to another school too so it's going to suck having to make friends ALL over again dots.gif . Anyways I guess I just came here to let you know your not alone.

Funny fact of the matter with me though, is that the bullies end up realizing I could care less if they call me names or take my lunch money (I dont even eat lunch so I dont have lunch money with me most of the time.) heres a tip, just be yourself, dont try to impress them cause then they'll want to test you and see if you worthy...and that ends up being bad sometimes. So yea just do what I do, if they call you names, you dis their mothers, they threaten to hurt you, you actually hurt them, easy as that. Sooner or later their bound to find out you wont take any of their bs.

Just to clearify on "they threaten to hurt you, you actually hurt them". I do this by practicly begging them to hit me to show them how much of their crap I can endur happy.gif

ADDITION:
And bullies arnt everything high school, at my school theres a teacher named Mrs. Kuntz (pronounced Koonts) and she is one of the worste teachers ive ever had, always finding loopholes to get me to fail, well I showed her passed with a 68! Most of the time though high school life is great, just chillin with your friends, quite often teachers dont care about u so they dont worry about u skippin classes (not i skipped a class, im just pointing it out) so yea...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by offensivestyle on 2005-08-10 at 06:48:18
Ok, well first of all, if theres a bully, you have friends to support you rigth? (unless they are blaming wonderful friends that can't do things right in life) well, Im a small guy in my class in grade 9 and I have these huge friends, you should make some huge friends. So when someone starts "blaming" with you, just tell them this.

Ok, for example: You have 3 friends, Bob, Sam and Phil

Bully: Oh blam you im so gonna beat you up badly
You: Wow, like im already scared, dude you wanna know something? If you beat me up Bob is gonna beat you up, and if you beat up Bob Sam's gonna beat you up and if you beat Bob up, Phil's gonna beat you up and if that doesn't work we'll beat you up all together until you crie like a little p*ssy.

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Or you can use the re-insult thing, when someone insults you you can insult them back.

Such as:

Bully: censored.gif you
You: Yeah, I can blame but you can't u f*cking p*ssycat.
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Bully: Wow, look, it's the little wussy
You: Wow look, it's the giant crooked blam wussy.
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Bully: You're stupid/cigarette/a f*cker/ an assh*le
You: Dude, if im stupid then youre a moronic fat-ass bird-brained retard
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Bully: You f*ck your mom hard.
You: Yeah, as hard as you're blam when you see you're granma.



Oh, sorry for those really bad words, but what im saying is that you'll have to keep up and let him not screw with you cause once you beat him up I don't think hell pick on you again. Im just saying cause thats usually what I do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-08-10 at 08:25:14
[center]During the short time I was allowed on school grounds without the threat of being arrested for tresspassing, I never encountered a bully... I do seem to have the 'bad-ass' aura, but I doubt that had anything to do with it. Really what bullies look for is the lack of confidence. If you're a confident person, they really seem to ignore you, and look for someone weaker. Its survival of the fittest man, good luck to ya'.[/center]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-08-10 at 10:40:19
Okay, learn to use your wits about you. If you help said bully on schoolwork, he's less likely to beat you to a pulp.
If you get injured badly, bypass the school, and call the police. (Pressing charges if it'll cost you money to get healed (Broken bones, ect.) will definately press the message in.) (Oh, make the bully pay for court expenses.)

Learn this, when you stop caring what they say to you, you can't care wether it hurts you or not.

Learn how to feel dangeous, even if you aren't.

On the bus one day, i tried an experiment:
If you glare like your pissed off, people are MUCH less likely to sit by you.
If you act all timid and afraid, or hurt, they are likely to do it more.
They derive pleasure from your pain.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-08-10 at 11:17:36
Why don't you do what I did, and laugh petty insults off? Not everyone can do it for long, but it can put verbal bullies off because it becomes no fun to insult you anymore. You could also try building up a reputation as a nice guy, because then most people will find it harder to insult you.

I can't say that I was ever bullied (at least it didn't feel like it), but for about a year when I was 13/14, certain people would remark on my physical appearance in a derogatory way (I was somewhat odd-looking relative to others my age because I went through puberty very early). It didn't seem that they knew that they were inflicting a lot of mental pain upon me, but I just shrugged it off with comments like 'Yeah, that's true, but there's no need to draw attention to it.' or 'Ok, <person's name here>.' I think this approach only works if the people bullying you aren't arseholes at heart though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DavieBoi on 2005-08-10 at 12:42:45
i used to get picked on now n then but gradually as i got higher up it began to stop.
in my last year of primary school, i wass part of an anti-bullying campaign to try and rid bullying from are school. we didnt completely get rid of it but we lowered it, thats for sure.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-10 at 14:23:16
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I've always had trouble dealing with bullies, and I've never been able to successfully deal with it. It's always been there in elemantry and junior high, but I'm not sure what high school has to bring. The fact of the matter is, there is only three years left before I can reach my safe haven, Universty. A place where bullying is almost non-existant, or so I believe. People would rather do papers and work instead of wasting their time with me. It costs money to go to Universty, so it's going to hurt them in the long run to ruin their time trying to pick on people.

I've never had problems with bullies of either kind, but even if I did, I doubt it would be much of a problem.
If I get my ass kicked, then, as you say, it doesn't matter, it'll stop hurting in a couple days. Plus, it gives me that small chance of humiliating him. wink.gif
If they start 'calling me names', then I don't care. They're idiots. Only if someone I respect, like Willhelm, calls me an idiot would I care. A few times, I've tried understanding them, but then they usualy say more stupid crap, whether it's an explanation as to the meaning behind their insult(I've never really understood 'your mom' insults...), or more insults.

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Ok, for example: You have 3 friends, Bob, Sam and Phil

Bully: Oh blam you im so gonna beat you up badly
You: Wow, like im already scared, dude you wanna know something? If you beat me up Bob is gonna beat you up, and if you beat up Bob Sam's gonna beat you up and if you beat Bob up, Phil's gonna beat you up and if that doesn't work we'll beat you up all together until you crie like a little p*ssy.

I'm sure most people prefer to keep their dignity by not saying for the whole school to know, 'I know that you can kick my ass, I'm afraid of you kicking my ass, if you kick my ass my friends will have to help me.'

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Or you can use the re-insult thing, when someone insults you you can insult them back.

Like that would work.
If someone's stupid enough and dislikes you enough to bother with random, meaningless insults, then showing that you're more original, witty, and smarter will only make them get angry and start being more annoying.

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I do seem to have the 'bad-ass' aura, but I doubt that had anything to do with it. Really what bullies look for is the lack of confidence. If you're a confident person, they really seem to ignore you, and look for someone weaker. Its survival of the fittest man, good luck to ya'.

In my experience, they just look for whoever they dislike for whatever reason... assuming, of course, the person they dislike doesn't look like they can kick their asses.

My experience, however, is limited to verbal bullying, for the most part.
I've never had a problem with it- for K-5, I went to the same school, then halfway through 5th grade I changed to one closer to where I live. After a couple months, I was unpopular in my class.
Then when I went to middle school, people got even stupid. Oh well. Sucks to be them.
Suddenly I'm remembering one idiot- he wasn't actualy 'bullying' me, just literally pushing me around.
He was funny. If only he knew that asking me to move is an almost certain way to get me to, while as insisting and demanding will only make me intentionally annoy him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-08-10 at 14:41:34
IceWarrior, calling somebody something back wouldn't work, then the bully would come back at you. And it would soon turn into a physical fight. I would just do what captainwill said, or just say "I dont value your opinion, anyway," if he insults you.

Yea, infested, you're right, dont look pathetic. Look... Oi.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-08-10 at 15:29:49
You get bullied because they know that you'll take it and do nothing about it, seriously. Don't go crying to a teacher complaining that he's bullying you, that will make it worse. Take physical action, punch the dip:poo: in the nose, kick him in the balls and run, do something. Granted, you're going to get in a little trouble, but nothing too bad. You got to stand up for yourself and stop letting people push you around.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-10 at 15:39:10
Or just not give a damn if they're wonderful friends like me,
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-08-10 at 15:58:05
If bullies are calling you names litterally just laugh infront of them, in their faces. That is about as huge of an insult you can do without actually verbally saying anything AND there is no counter insult.
If some dude beats you up, show it off to everyone and get to sympathy points. This may be pathetic but it works:
The chicks will ALL feel sorry for you (unless theres some real bi*tch as$ prome-queens there). They will stick up for you and protect you. Sounds pretty bad, but in the long run you dont get hurt and you can become friends with the girls easier.
But also, like I said Ultimo, try to find a skill most people like these days. Get good at it and it'll be easier to make friends and gain resepct.
And, above all, just keep a good attitude and be yourself. People really like it when you be yourself and nice guys aren't picked on.

Its pretty sad how society works now adays... closedeyes.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-08-10 at 16:30:06
Doing something like that would totally crush my self-esteem, even if I did gain "sympathy points." With most people, they'll just make me out as a blam who can't fight for :poo:.

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You get bullied because they know that you'll take it and do nothing about it, seriously. Don't go crying to a teacher complaining that he's bullying you, that will make it worse. Take physical action, punch the dip:poo: in the nose, kick him in the balls and run, do something. Granted, you're going to get in a little trouble, but nothing too bad. You got to stand up for yourself and stop letting people push you around.


I suppose so, but like I said, I just don't wanna start a fight over an insult. That'd be rididclous, but I suppose there is a time when you have to stick up for what you believe in.

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Why don't you do what I did, and laugh petty insults off? Not everyone can do it for long, but it can put verbal bullies off because it becomes no fun to insult you anymore. You could also try building up a reputation as a nice guy, because then most people will find it harder to insult you.

I can't say that I was ever bullied (at least it didn't feel like it), but for about a year when I was 13/14, certain people would remark on my physical appearance in a derogatory way (I was somewhat odd-looking relative to others my age because I went through puberty very early). It didn't seem that they knew that they were inflicting a lot of mental pain upon me, but I just shrugged it off with comments like 'Yeah, that's true, but there's no need to draw attention to it.' or 'Ok, <person's name here>.' I think this approach only works if the people bullying you aren't arseholes at heart though.


If I start shrugging them off, I'm acknowleding that I'm listening to them. This further convinces them to annoy me until I either get pissed off or admit they're right. They just don't back down since I don't care about their opinion sadly. >.> I did have a reputation as a nice guy, and it did nothing, since they know I wouldn't give them :poo: for making fun of me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ihatett_da_hated on 2005-08-10 at 17:18:33
People who continue to get bullied have no balls, whether they are girls or guys.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-08-10 at 17:21:57
Bully back. ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-08-10 at 17:24:59
Run up behind them after school, sucker punch him so he goes to the ground and while you're still behind him sink a crowbar into his chest. That's what I'd do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-08-10 at 17:26:12
Great, looks like.... no won't say it.


What does balls have to do with being bullied?



Erm, on topic:
if you hate bullies, why bully back?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2005-08-10 at 17:40:34
Bullys only bully other people because there where once bullied, So in order to take there anger out they bully other people smaller, Someone who they think wont fight back.
Im telling you if you fight your bully, You might lose the fight, but im sure your bully will think twice about picking on you. As he knows youll fight him and maybe give him a black eye.

Most bullys just have a truablesome life and again take there anger out on smaller kids.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-08-10 at 17:43:26
Well, get stilts!!!!!!!


Or become a clown, everyone loves a clown.


Or.... crud, i'm running out of ideas... wallbash.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2005-08-10 at 17:51:48
QUOTE(Infested-Jerk @ Aug 10 2005, 09:43 PM)
Well, get stilts!!!!!!!
Or become a clown, everyone loves a clown.
Or.... crud, i'm running out of ideas...  wallbash.gif
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Well that was like, well off topic... What a way to gain +5 or what ever minerals it gives you.

Anyay, Just confront your bully(s) if you get beating up you get beaten up. Just make sure you give them somethnig to fight. Just dont get knocked out in one blow... Im sure if you mange to give him a black eye, even thoguh you got the most beatin, Im sure he wont want to bully you anymore as he knows if he does you might give him a black eye. Its how most kids solve there bully problems either that or go to the teacher pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-08-10 at 19:16:21
Best method I've ever found was to fire back with verbal barbs, find what really gets at them, and then use it against them, or, dumb as it sounds, get a whole bunch of people to think they're a joke, works wonders, this kid who thought it was cool to try to annoy me and assert his dominance is now a complete joke, I let everyone see how pathetic he was. Actually, I have an ethical question for you seners, was that wrong of me, to retaliate so powerfully?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-10 at 19:16:24
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What does balls have to do with being bullied?

Exactly what I was wondering.

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Bullys only bully other people because there where once bullied, So in order to take there anger out they bully other people smaller, Someone who they think wont fight back.
Im telling you if you fight your bully, You might lose the fight, but im sure your bully will think twice about picking on you. As he knows youll fight him and maybe give him a black eye.

While I agree with the advice, I don't agree with the first part.
Bullies may be bullies because something happened to them before, or simply because they're resentful idiots and they don't like you.
I hate to stereotype, but, quite often, there are resentful idiots, and joyful idiots.
Joyful idiots are too stupid to be unhappy all the time.
Resentful idiots are jealous of others, or they look down upon them because they don't realize that they're actualy the idiots, not them, and so they decide to hurt those they envy and/or those they look down upon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by guardien on 2005-08-11 at 01:17:16
I've hardly been bullied before, but i've helped a couple of my friends get out of it. Well, Most of the points have been mentionned here, like laughing in they're face, however, when a few of my friends get bullied, i trip the guy(I did it contless times) and run like a bat of hell. Or I tackle the guy(did it twice). Or we just traped him to get in some crap with the teacher or the such(this works wonders). I hardly ever get in any trouble for any of this. The once I got someone following me, I held my ground, I didn't back down, but I never truly retaliate, that's what can get you into trouble. Proboly ganna get punched in the face once or twice anyways(I know I will), but that's nothing you cant take. Just don't let your mind betray your thoughts. Get some good friends, people you can trust most of your secrets with. Help them, and they will help you. Good Luck, have fun, Don't die!

Also, stay in places where alot of people can see you, so in case you do get attacked, someone should see what's happening.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-11 at 02:32:00
all i have to say about this is...... bullying is wate makes amaricans.....amaricans. like now a days, people are pulling there kids out of school becuse they are being bullied. bull :poo:. is they cant stand up to there bullies, then they are going to have a hard time at life. thats all i have to say about that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-08-11 at 02:51:12
QUOTE(Ultimo @ Aug 10 2005, 01:30 AM)
I wasn't sure to post this at blizzforums or here, but I've been here longer, and more people know me.

Bullying has always been a problem, everywhere. Where most frequenly it happens, is in school. In front of the eyes of other peers, the bully thrives on attention and or some sort of reassurance of gratitude which may of been caused from a eery childhood. Some use words as their weapon, and some use fists as their weapon.

I'm going into my first grade of high school, and I've been pretty worried about it. I haven't told any of my friends about it, as most of them see high school as their release and safe haven, a place where they can thrive and flourish.

I've always had trouble dealing with bullies, and I've never been able to successfully deal with it.  It's always been there in elemantry and junior high, but I'm not sure what high school has to bring. The fact of the matter is, there is only three years left before I can reach my safe haven, Universty. A place where bullying is almost non-existant, or so I believe. People would rather do papers and work instead of wasting their time with me. It costs money to go to Universty, so it's going to hurt them in the long run to ruin their time trying to pick on people.

I'm basically more affected by those who make insults and put-downs to me instead of those that threaten with physical brutality. I'm more interested in keeping my mental well-being intact, and most physical wounds heal over time, though, scars in the mind do not. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. I've tried ignoring them, but they just keep on-going, seeing they have no effect on me. If I simply, choose to walk away, the next time they're full of steam with more insults and put-downs. Telling them to stop only incites more insults, and telling them how I feel about their insults, well, is quite self-explantory.

I've been talking to ShadowBrood, and l)ark_13 about the issue in the shoutbox, but I feel I would get a better response here, and potentially, solve my problem once and for all, or keep me from killing myself over the next three years.

Just a note here: I don't like to use violence to solve things. I'm not a trouble maker either, and I don't do drugs of any sort. I'm a typical run of the mill kid and

Solutions given to me to help battle bullies is as follows:

Exert Revenge on said one, but I don't see how this will really solve anything in the long run, since they'll just come back looking for more REVENGE.

Work out. I admit that I'm not the fittest guy around, but I don't have a problem standing my ground against bigger people. I don't like to start fights on the basis on an insult though, since that is not my way. They, on the other have may have different things in mind. As said, phyiscal bullies don't really annoy me, nor am I rarely pestered by them.

Develop a "bad-ass" persona: Suggested by ShadowBrood, I'm not sure I could mold myself to be a junivenle trouble maker and a rule-breaker. I don't like getting in trouble, I don't like fights, and I don't like swearing. My family consists of smart people, not "bad-asses" who kick other people for the sake of it.

Try and become popular: As said, becoming popular also seems viable. The only problem is, the matter of conforming, and you don't become popular overnight.

Change completely: This is much of a last resort, since diverse make-overs cannot often be un-done, and severely bring consquences in the near future.

Get a girlfriend: True, that when I had a girlfriend, I was never picked on. The problem is people then become nosey and insult your choice in a girl. It's not every day you come across a girl you like with a nice personality and good looks.

IGNORE COMPLETELY: This is what I've been trying to do for a while. It does work, but not to what I hope. Insults and put-downs are almost to ignore, since they're so constant, you start to believe them after a while. Especially added on the fact that your so called friends start beating around the bush about the subject, it hurts. Ditching my friends would be stupid, and ditching some of them wouldn't work. Most of my friends hang out with my other friends, so when we hang out, I have to tolerate the people who I usually don't like.

That's all I can think of right now, and I'm tired. Input about how high school is like, or any suggestions that may help me are welcome.
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Yes, I kow what you mean. I was bullied a lot in middle school. But trust me, those kids do grow up. They become more mature and they will leave you alone. They may not like you but they won't go out of their way to harass you.

Also, join a sport. THAT REALLY helped me. Join a sport that has some physical contact, like Football or Lacrosse. It REALLY helps, again I will say.

All it takes is one practice, or one game. Make a semi big hit and BOOM, people we start talking about you, such as "Oh did you hear Ultimo hit that guy during the game yesterday?" Talk will go around.

You could also try not putting yourself in a position to be bullied. Just ask yourself, and be honest, why do you think they bully you? Ask yourself what things YOU do that makes them bully you.

Once you find why they bully you, you will be able to combat this nonsense quickly.
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