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Me and a friend were talking about the war and if we can win and we came to the conclusion that this war cannot be won, yet if we lose we're dead.
I'm not saying that all of the islamic religion believes this, but think about it. There are radicals that believe that since someone is american or not islamic that we need to die. They believe that even if we convert to islam we still need to die for our "past sins". I mean how can we win? For every one of them we kill, 2 more rise up believing that 1 was a messiah. This will never stop. They are so into their beliefs that Allah wants us to be killed when even in the Islamic Holy Book it says not to harm innocents. They've bombed schools in Iraq full of children. They bombed solders who were giving TOYS to children.

Well this is what me and my friend discussed.... Now let SEN discuss.

There are Christians that think the same things. Just getting that in before someone else does. Everything has it's own nutcase extremists.
There isn't much hope for solving the situations completely. If there was some way to cut down on the number of extremists, life for most would be easier. The trouble is, extremists are never going to accept other beliefs and will always fight against them, so the only way to stop them is to kill them or contain them.

if you read that part on "for every one we kill, two rise up believing the first to be a martyar to the cause." you will know that we can't kill. As for containing, thats kind of what bush said as a rebuttle against why are we in iraq. He said "would you rather fight them there, or fight them here?"

Once the oil supply goes dry and the large amount of money that it came from oil goes away im sure extremists will have a decline in the middle east, since they wont be funded as well as they are now.

Most islamic exteremists don't think because your americans you need to die. They are fighting you because you went into their country and screwed things up. So yes the more of them you kill the more that will come. If someone came into your neighbourhood and shot one of your friends wouldn't you want to do something?

uh no. They hated us before we went into afghanistan and iraq. Before the gulf war.

uh yes, but more hated us because we went into iraq. because we went into iraq (just incase you didnt listen the first time).

Besides, not all islamic people are extremist kill-americans. Take me, for example.

Yes they did, but my reason still stands. You should really do some reaserch to find out why.

Exactly. If we weren't the "World Police" we wouldn't have everyone after us. We would be out of debt, and we would be way far along then we are now. But noooooooooo! Since Theodore Rosevelt's time, we have been getting into other peoples business >.<



They started hating us (My guess) because of the Iran-Contra Scandal. If we would have stayed out of their business, we wouldn't have the :censored:ing problems of today! Always do the Republicans our country up in the long run!



They only hated us because we butted in our business.

We are the "Worlds Policemen" and we are doomed for it.

i'll say this again if you didn't read the first time... " I'm not saying that all of the islamic religion believes this".

Temp i did do research and kellimus is right. They did not begin to hate us because we invaded iraq. No, they have hated us for a very long time. I'm not sure exactly when this all started, but i'll use what kellimus said.

Alot of them (extremeists, not all muslims) do hate us because we are americans. Because we had to play the role of "world police". We make war not so we may live in peace as that quote may tell you. We make war in this day an age solely for profit. Even back in the day of Rome. War is the biggest money maker man has ever invented, even if it is instinct. I'm sure we all know we didn't invade Iraq solely to make it a democratic country...

All of us except for S.T.A.R.S-Chris

lol... he does seem to be a lil too much of a bush supporter. If only clinton had his support... he wouldn't of needed monica...

Lollerz! Roflwaffles!

Tru.dat.

But I believe we have been hated by these kinds of people since Regans time (Damn Republicans)

And becuase its easier to kill americans by hopping a couple borders then trying to sneek into america.



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They hate us becuse we supported the formation of the Israel coutnry, its no wonder why muslem extremists call America big devil and Israel little devil.
tisk tisk I thought of all people you would know that, I mean its writtin right into the Al Quada training hand book

And I don't support Bush too much, Im just trying to defend him more then other people would. Im sorry I may see extreme to you becuase Im not jumping on your band wagon.....

uh no... its not because your not jumping on our bandwagon. You really do support him all the way. So far any comment that has to do with anti-bush or something... your in that convo trying to make bush sound like a hero.

I dont hate bush. Infact like his character alot.

But too bad the democratic party didn't do a good job in picking a very good candidate.

actually yeah, I don't make him seem like a hero, that what you WANT me to be like though, steriotipical. I'm sorry, I jsut view things differently then you do. I try and make a different arguement so these debates can actually be fun and not filled to the rim with "Yea I don't like Bush" ""bush sucks" bla bla bla.

We aren't terrorists, that's why we don't know

He doesn't need defending. He is a big boy. You just try to pick fights with anti-republicans.



Um... *coughbullblamcough* You sit there and praise everything he has done, good (if any) and bad.

Every Republican views things differently then Democrates.

*Coughbullblamcough* The arguments are just fine until you get into them. Then everything goes to hell.

They didn't have much of a choice on it. I believe Bush was appealing to the democratic council for nearly...5 years? Probably more, so they probably felt they had to give him a chance to run. I say we shoulda went with a republican president however.

Now think about this, if Bush is such a bad president, what would you have done? Instead of us sitting here and complaining, when you think about it he's making a lose-lose situation, and made it a lose-win-lose situation. If you were Bush during the event of 9/11, what would you have done? When I personally think about it like that, Bush wasn't so rash or unjistified in his decision.(not decisions)

uh i wouldn't of invaded iraq. Afghanistan yes, but not iraq.


uh actually yeah, you do. "Thats what you WANT me to be like" lol loser, using that bullshit to try to prove something. Also, its spelled stereotypical, fool!


That was :censored:ing hillarious!


also, bush WAS republican, Gore was democratic.

When have I picked fights? It seems to me, looking at all your past posts in this topic that you were trying to pick a fight with me. man, don't say one thing and do another.

Seems more like the opposiste to me, you just get pissed when I correct you on things in the middle east.

(Bush) When have i said he was a hero? When have I said he is awsome? When have I said hes the best president in the world? When have I mentioned anything SIMILAR to this???? mmm never.

You assume WAY too much and stfu euro, this was an ok debate untill you brought insults into this.

Um.... Bush IS a Republican....



And not to be rude but the correct tense is IS, not WAS.


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Not to get into yours and Euro's argument but um... What makes you so obligated to "correct" him on things in the Middle East? Just because you know someone there? Maybe Euro knows more about the Middle East then you do? Who knows? And who in the hell cares? I sure don't. Because I know that your Republican Propaganda is what fuels your "Facts", not the truth.

And I would get pissed, too, when you would correct me on something you know no truth about, only the propaganda of your party.

And if you remember the one thread, "Our President: Bush" or something like that, you were the only one in there that praised him. Sure, Wesmic defended him with logic, you PRAISED him with fantasy.

And not to be rude again, but I think that YOU assume to much (At least what I have seen in the other threads that deal with politics and the military) And it was a perfectly fine debate until you, came in here and tried to "show" everyone what you "know"

Kellimus, I have NOT been proven wrong about the middle east yet, maybe once, but with clear evidence.

How am I debating with propaganda?

There YOU go bringing that in. How did I know you were going to do that? And you WERE NOT having an ok debate, you were having a, "Bush sucks, STARS-Chris sucks too" barbaque...

You know nothing about being truthful, or correct, I believe this was the second time I had to corret you on something, I use to think highly of you as a good debater too, remember?

"Kellimus I would have thought you better on this" or w/e I said in a past post.

But too often your arguements were crumbling, so you bring in those stupid "propaganda" "Your just a Republican" "Anything a republican says is untruthful" it sounds a lot like your being discriminatory, which is very uncool.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../w124551D09.DTL

Lol.

I don't know about you guys, but I predicated this when he started the war. So yeah, just adding new information for you guys.

wells its basically true, if I was a terrorist I would take over the oil fields o.O