Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slyence on 2005-09-15 at 09:20:42
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...0000&sc=I100322
Wow, looks like the Big Bang may not have been the beginning of time after all.
Apparently the universe is a gigantic black hole in an outer universe. After the formation of the singularity, matter inside our universe was cut off from matter outside. Matter inside the hole fell together while the space inside the black hole expanded. Eventually, after the matter compressed to the limit imposed by string theory, quantum effects caused a Big Bang within the space so that matter filled the universe.
This gives support to the interesting idea that inside of black holes a seperate universe could exist. Perhaps all universes are really just black wholes in a different one, but we may never know for sure.
Wow, looks like the Big Bang may not have been the beginning of time after all.
Apparently the universe is a gigantic black hole in an outer universe. After the formation of the singularity, matter inside our universe was cut off from matter outside. Matter inside the hole fell together while the space inside the black hole expanded. Eventually, after the matter compressed to the limit imposed by string theory, quantum effects caused a Big Bang within the space so that matter filled the universe.
This gives support to the interesting idea that inside of black holes a seperate universe could exist. Perhaps all universes are really just black wholes in a different one, but we may never know for sure.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-18 at 19:05:02
The reason that we will never know, is that out tiny brains cannot handle that much information. Our heads would explode. It may be "simple" to some of you the think that there is always something bigger out there. True that is a simple answer to this question, but there is something else to think of. Where dose it end? And, where dose it begin? Is it possible that the universe is a never ending loop? All good and valid questions. Are there any answers?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-18 at 19:25:26
I don't believe that our tiny brains have anything to do with our capability to know what happened before the big bang.
I also don't believe our brains would explode, and I don't think that doses have anything to do with beginnings and ends either.
Anyway, a while ago I was watching a PBS special on string theory and it also talked about the big bang and such. It also talked about big "membranes" and how our universe may be like a slice of bread and that we are next to other universes that are on other slices of "bread". It also said how these membranes may collide and stuff.
I also don't believe our brains would explode, and I don't think that doses have anything to do with beginnings and ends either.
Anyway, a while ago I was watching a PBS special on string theory and it also talked about the big bang and such. It also talked about big "membranes" and how our universe may be like a slice of bread and that we are next to other universes that are on other slices of "bread". It also said how these membranes may collide and stuff.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-18 at 22:44:15
You didn't even think about it did you? I didn't think you would. But oh well.
Well tell me this, oh watcher of the PBS special, where did the matter and such requierd for the big bang come from? " Matter is not created or destroyed" . Ok, WHY was it there. "Matter can only be changed" what did that much matter change from? Was there something already there?
Ok, I was alittle dramatic about the heads exploding, but we cannot store that much information in the parts of the brain that we use. There is just to much.
And if you think about it, "time" was started by the railroads.
Just a thought
Well tell me this, oh watcher of the PBS special, where did the matter and such requierd for the big bang come from? " Matter is not created or destroyed" . Ok, WHY was it there. "Matter can only be changed" what did that much matter change from? Was there something already there?
Ok, I was alittle dramatic about the heads exploding, but we cannot store that much information in the parts of the brain that we use. There is just to much.
And if you think about it, "time" was started by the railroads.
Just a thought
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-18 at 22:48:48
There is no limit to how much information our brain can store.
Or that limit is so large, nothing can surpass it.
As for the article, I have said before, I am not a very strong supporter of the big bang theory; nor any other theories. All we need to know is we exist right now and what happened happened and all we can change is the future.
But I do love hearing all of these new ideas about the past. My chemistry teacher told me this; we might just be electrons on an atom with the sun being the nucleus. In which case, we would be...Fluorine! Or Neon.
Or that limit is so large, nothing can surpass it.
As for the article, I have said before, I am not a very strong supporter of the big bang theory; nor any other theories. All we need to know is we exist right now and what happened happened and all we can change is the future.
But I do love hearing all of these new ideas about the past. My chemistry teacher told me this; we might just be electrons on an atom with the sun being the nucleus. In which case, we would be...Fluorine! Or Neon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-18 at 22:52:55
Wow, over load.. that is a good example!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-09-19 at 17:50:30
Very few people may actually be able to comprehend it. To say that we can't comprehend it, is saying that you comprehend that we can't comprehend it. Not exaclty the best way of comprehending things. You comprehend?
But much more importantly, good luck proving this theory. I mean, if I have a huge amount of trouble proving to kids that there is a supreme reality, good luck with this.
Math, science, logic? People don't listen to such witch craft!
But much more importantly, good luck proving this theory. I mean, if I have a huge amount of trouble proving to kids that there is a supreme reality, good luck with this.
Math, science, logic? People don't listen to such witch craft!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-19 at 17:55:10
Another valid point. I just noticed something about the title its self. " time BEFORE time." there was no time before time. If you think about it, "time" didn't exist until the railroads came along. Before that, it was " about lunch time" for noon. So......yeah.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-19 at 18:06:40
QUOTE(durk-A-dur @ Sep 18 2005, 10:43 PM)
You didn't even think about it did you? I didn't think you would. But oh well.
Well tell me this, oh watcher of the PBS special, where did the matter and such requierd for the big bang come from? " Matter is not created or destroyed" . Ok, WHY was it there. "Matter can only be changed" what did that much matter change from? Was there something already there?
Ok, I was alittle dramatic about the heads exploding, but we cannot store that much information in the parts of the brain that we use. There is just to much.
And if you think about it, "time" was started by the railroads.
Just a thought
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Well tell me this, oh watcher of the PBS special, where did the matter and such requierd for the big bang come from? " Matter is not created or destroyed" . Ok, WHY was it there. "Matter can only be changed" what did that much matter change from? Was there something already there?
Ok, I was alittle dramatic about the heads exploding, but we cannot store that much information in the parts of the brain that we use. There is just to much.
And if you think about it, "time" was started by the railroads.
Just a thought
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I did think about it.
Anyway as I was saying, I watched it a while ago, I was just explaining the main point of membranes. Before that it also talked about the forces like gravity and electromagnetism and strong force and weak force, and as you went back in time more and more to the actual event of the Big Bang the forces would "combine".
Here's the site for NOVA's "The Elegant Universe", I have the 3 hour video on my comp if you want it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-branes