Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slyence on 2005-09-20 at 22:09:40
It looks as though the Gulf Coast is going to be getting another one. Although Hurricane Rita is still a Category 1, it is expected to grow tremendously in the warm waters of the Gulf. Already most the oil workers that were trying to repair the refineries are being evacuated. This storm looks like it is going to hit around Houston and basically nail the oil refineries and drilling platforms that Katrina missed.
New Orleans evacuated again-
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/20/news/katrina.php
Already affecting oil prices-
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...MNGS5EQNFO1.DTL
One strike map as of 9/20/05-
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518.html
I just have to say, this is most like going to be bad. Oil prices are already jumping in record amounts and Natural gas is rising 3-4% a day. If this hurricane upgrades like Katrina did, then it could destroy a third of our refining capacity for years to come. Also, if it hits Houston, then the people that are in the Astrodome will go through their second hurricane in a month. As much as I would like it to vear south and nail Mexico instead, the strike maps keep on pushing it more to the North. This could possibly ruin the economy down there to such a point that rebuilding it could never come.
New Orleans evacuated again-
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/20/news/katrina.php
Already affecting oil prices-
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...MNGS5EQNFO1.DTL
One strike map as of 9/20/05-
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518.html
I just have to say, this is most like going to be bad. Oil prices are already jumping in record amounts and Natural gas is rising 3-4% a day. If this hurricane upgrades like Katrina did, then it could destroy a third of our refining capacity for years to come. Also, if it hits Houston, then the people that are in the Astrodome will go through their second hurricane in a month. As much as I would like it to vear south and nail Mexico instead, the strike maps keep on pushing it more to the North. This could possibly ruin the economy down there to such a point that rebuilding it could never come.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-09-20 at 22:16:49
i dont think new orleans was evacuated because of rita i think they told everyone to get out because that the conditions werent ready for 100,000 people to go back into the city
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slyence on 2005-09-20 at 22:23:00
They should just evacuate the whole place so that bush doesn't have to get his hands dirty this time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KaboomHahahein on 2005-09-20 at 22:23:50
No it was because Rita could possible hit them. Many people in New Orleans are not evactuated again because first they were told (the people in areas less damaged by Katrina) to go back and populate then they were told to evacuate again. You can fell how pissed off you would be if that happend to you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-20 at 22:30:41
pwned!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-09-21 at 07:14:40
Oh no, not again....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-09-21 at 16:12:09
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pwned!
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 16:58:18
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You aren't funny.
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How was I supposed to know it wasn't hitting LA twice? Well, let's see if Texas is better at handling Hurricanes than Louisiana.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-09-21 at 17:20:31
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How was I supposed to know it wasn't hitting LA twice? Well, let's see if Texas is better at handling Hurricanes than Louisiana.
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Texas isnt below sea level nor does it have levys on both sides of it so shhh.
This storm will hit a blace in texas that is 2 ft above sea level and the rain from this hurricane could break the levys that are in new orleans causing more problems
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-21 at 19:05:00
Let's just hope the federal government can just maybe not botch this relief effort too.
Funny to comment that the one of the postulated effects of global warming, who's postulators the Republican party thinks are totally wrong, is "more frequent and bigger hurricanes".
Seems like Mother Nature is supporting the scientist's claims of "I told you so!"
Currently a Category 5 with winds of 165 mph.
http://www.weather.com/multimedia/index.ht...=wxcenter_video
I told you so: http://www.weather.com/multimedia/index.ht...ection=topstory
Funny to comment that the one of the postulated effects of global warming, who's postulators the Republican party thinks are totally wrong, is "more frequent and bigger hurricanes".
Seems like Mother Nature is supporting the scientist's claims of "I told you so!"
Currently a Category 5 with winds of 165 mph.
http://www.weather.com/multimedia/index.ht...=wxcenter_video
I told you so: http://www.weather.com/multimedia/index.ht...ection=topstory
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 19:34:13
Disaster relief isn't the fed's responsibility; state and local authorities have that job. Also, it sucks that LA blew so much of their money on stupid spending programs that they couldn't fix the levies.
Lastly, did you know that they tried to rennovate the levies during the 90s, but environmentalists wouldn't let them? The Sierra Club was involved, and is now blaming Bush. Irony!
Lastly, did you know that they tried to rennovate the levies during the 90s, but environmentalists wouldn't let them? The Sierra Club was involved, and is now blaming Bush. Irony!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-21 at 19:45:31
Do you know who is responsible for maintaining the levees? Didn't think so.
Do you know how much their budget was cut by the Bush administration to allow more tax cuts to the rich? Didn't think so.
Have you heard of FEMA? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to the first two questions are The Army Corps of Engineers, and over 50%[/sub]
Environmentalists not wanting meddling in the river? Do you know what used to be a large natural barricade and sponge for the floodwaters? Didn't think so.
Do you know who got rid of them? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to these two questions are Delta Wetlands and Republicans[/sub]
The ignorance of some people just pisses me off...
Do you know how much their budget was cut by the Bush administration to allow more tax cuts to the rich? Didn't think so.
Have you heard of FEMA? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to the first two questions are The Army Corps of Engineers, and over 50%[/sub]
Environmentalists not wanting meddling in the river? Do you know what used to be a large natural barricade and sponge for the floodwaters? Didn't think so.
Do you know who got rid of them? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to these two questions are Delta Wetlands and Republicans[/sub]
The ignorance of some people just pisses me off...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PlayaR on 2005-09-21 at 20:16:23
QUOTE(n2o-PiMpSoNs @ Sep 20 2005, 10:16 PM)
i dont think new orleans was evacuated because of rita i think they told everyone to get out because that the conditions werent ready for 100,000 people to go back into the city
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they did evacute new orleans because of rita again and my dad said they evacuted alot of ppl along the texus coastline.
also heard that the winds are picking up alot.
this is gona make neo orleans so much worser
probably gona take forever to fix it nowReport, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 20:20:40
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Sep 21 2005, 05:45 PM)
Do you know who is responsible for maintaining the levees? Didn't think so.
Do you know how much their budget was cut by the Bush administration to allow more tax cuts to the rich? Didn't think so.
Have you heard of FEMA? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to the first two questions are The Army Corps of Engineers, and over 50%[/sub]
Environmentalists not wanting meddling in the river? Do you know what used to be a large natural barricade and sponge for the floodwaters? Didn't think so.
Do you know who got rid of them? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to these two questions are Delta Wetlands and Republicans[/sub]
The ignorance of some people just pisses me off...
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Do you know how much their budget was cut by the Bush administration to allow more tax cuts to the rich? Didn't think so.
Have you heard of FEMA? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to the first two questions are The Army Corps of Engineers, and over 50%[/sub]
Environmentalists not wanting meddling in the river? Do you know what used to be a large natural barricade and sponge for the floodwaters? Didn't think so.
Do you know who got rid of them? Didn't think so.
[sub]The answers to these two questions are Delta Wetlands and Republicans[/sub]
The ignorance of some people just pisses me off...
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I don't see the point of your post. Do you defend environmentalists denying needed repairs to the levies? Do you deny that it is local authorities' responsibility to deal with disaster relief (with the exception of the newly promoted FEMA)? Do you care to explain why you give off topic answers (and with no source,as well, though it doesn't matter because what your wrote is nonsense
)?Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-22 at 00:29:48
It was the Army Corps of Engineer's responsibility to keep the levees intact. They found this extremely difficult facing a budget cuts. While you're being such an ass, I'll quote articles.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/...rina_funding_dc
Darn right I deny it. The Federal Government has always been responsible for disaster relief. FEMA was supposed to coordinate the efforts. It's federal money that goes into this. It was the federal government that sent Louisiana National Guard high-water units to Iraq, of all places. Yes, it was the feds reponsibility for this.
Read this excellent Molly Ivins article outlining the finer points of how the Bush administration utterly failed in regard to Katrina. Hopefully they will do better with Rita.
http://www.rense.com/general67/whyNOisindeepwater.htm
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Since 2001, the Army Corps has requested $496 million for that project but the Bush administration only budgeted $166 million, according to figures provided by the office of Louisiana Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/...rina_funding_dc
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Do you deny that it is local authorities' responsibility to deal with disaster relief (with the exception of the newly promoted FEMA)?
Darn right I deny it. The Federal Government has always been responsible for disaster relief. FEMA was supposed to coordinate the efforts. It's federal money that goes into this. It was the federal government that sent Louisiana National Guard high-water units to Iraq, of all places. Yes, it was the feds reponsibility for this.
Read this excellent Molly Ivins article outlining the finer points of how the Bush administration utterly failed in regard to Katrina. Hopefully they will do better with Rita.
http://www.rense.com/general67/whyNOisindeepwater.htm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-22 at 10:17:55
You quoting Molly Ivans is like me quoting Michael Savage: both are extremists, and neither is the least bit fair/truthful.
Now, about the rest of your post:
Dead wrong. It has never been the Fed's responsibility. In fact, the Fed's aren't even allowed to go in without the permission of local authorities (and if I recall correctly, the governor said that things were under control before the storm hit).
There is an exception, as you mentioned: FEMA. Bush, in his infinite wisdom, decided that they should be promoted to Homeland Security after 9/11, which gave them responsibility for local disaster relief. They did screw up, along with local/state officials.
Still, there is so much blame to spread, if that's what we're obsessing over: local officials' fault for squandering money on pork/social welfare programs instead of on fixing the levies, the people's fault for refusing to take their livese into their own hands, FEMA's and local officials' fault for the slow response, local (I assume city) officials' fault for not employing the hundreds of school buses for evacuation, the looters for making a bad situation worse, etc.
Bush is not the main culprit, here, despite what left-wing Democrats want everyone to think.
edit: That article is dissapointing. I've read several regarding the storm, and none have ignored the wasteful spending of the state as much as that article. That's a shining example of a Democratic journalist gleeful to quote Democratic politicians in an attempt to slam Bush.
Now, about the rest of your post:
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The Federal Government has always been responsible for disaster relief. FEMA was supposed to coordinate the efforts.
Dead wrong. It has never been the Fed's responsibility. In fact, the Fed's aren't even allowed to go in without the permission of local authorities (and if I recall correctly, the governor said that things were under control before the storm hit).
There is an exception, as you mentioned: FEMA. Bush, in his infinite wisdom, decided that they should be promoted to Homeland Security after 9/11, which gave them responsibility for local disaster relief. They did screw up, along with local/state officials.
Still, there is so much blame to spread, if that's what we're obsessing over: local officials' fault for squandering money on pork/social welfare programs instead of on fixing the levies, the people's fault for refusing to take their livese into their own hands, FEMA's and local officials' fault for the slow response, local (I assume city) officials' fault for not employing the hundreds of school buses for evacuation, the looters for making a bad situation worse, etc.
Bush is not the main culprit, here, despite what left-wing Democrats want everyone to think.
edit: That article is dissapointing. I've read several regarding the storm, and none have ignored the wasteful spending of the state as much as that article. That's a shining example of a Democratic journalist gleeful to quote Democratic politicians in an attempt to slam Bush.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mr.ex on 2005-09-22 at 10:26:21
OMGGG no!!!!! 
my family lives in houston, and they could possilbly be hit by the hurricane... 
i hope the hurricane will just die down when it hits the borders... 
man i hate hurricanes... 
my family lives in houston, and they could possilbly be hit by the hurricane... i hope the hurricane will just die down when it hits the borders... man i hate hurricanes... Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-22 at 10:37:42
Houston won't be as affected as NO. It's on higher ground, people there are smarter and evacuated, and people in Houston generally respect private property (ties in to the second point) so looting won't be nearly as widespread.
Oh, and to add to my previous post:
Corrupt local officials steal storm donations.
Maybe now you'll get it.
Oh, and to add to my previous post:
Corrupt local officials steal storm donations.
Maybe now you'll get it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-09-22 at 10:49:34
Goddamn were gettin hit left and right with hurricanes this year looks like its time 2 take off the sticker on the bucker that says "Hurricane Katrina Relief Fund" and put 1 on that says "Hurrican Rita Relief Fund" and go back on to the street with the monkey again
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mr.ex on 2005-09-22 at 17:33:55
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Corrupt local officials steal storm donations.
Maybe now you'll get it.
wow...sadMaybe now you'll get it.
i hope my family is safe
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-09-22 at 19:46:15
Luckily I dont know anyone from Texas but they say it turned and is said 2 hit New Orleans again so thats pretty good for u eX
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PlayaR on 2005-09-22 at 20:50:46
i just heard that the towns in texus are like 90% evacuated.
and the trafic there is so intense....u could walk all the way and would make it there much fastter then u would on ur car they should make bout sides on the higway to go one way because of the very intense trafic
also heard that rite is a category 4 hurricane now they said it can go back up to 5 or down to 3
also heard that the winds are 150 mph now
and the trafic there is so intense....u could walk all the way and would make it there much fastter then u would on ur car they should make bout sides on the higway to go one way because of the very intense trafic
also heard that rite is a category 4 hurricane now they said it can go back up to 5 or down to 3
also heard that the winds are 150 mph now
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-22 at 20:51:59
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wow...sad
i hope my family is safe
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Are you Houston guy? It's not even gonna hit there, it's heading for NO again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-09-22 at 20:59:43
I'm from Texas. Austin Texas, which is safe.
I have relatives that live 1 hour north of Houston (in a place called The Woodlands). They were going to leave but they decided not to because one of their friends left at 3AM in the morning and all the way till Noon still did not get out of the Houston (or i should say, the woodlands) area. And that area is pretty much in the projected pathway of Rita.
Our church already got like 40 families from another asian church from Galveston some days ago. We might get more.
I have relatives that live 1 hour north of Houston (in a place called The Woodlands). They were going to leave but they decided not to because one of their friends left at 3AM in the morning and all the way till Noon still did not get out of the Houston (or i should say, the woodlands) area. And that area is pretty much in the projected pathway of Rita.
Our church already got like 40 families from another asian church from Galveston some days ago. We might get more.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-22 at 21:02:40
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In fact, the Fed's aren't even allowed to go in without the permission of local authorities (and if I recall correctly, the governor said that things were under control before the storm hit).
The President of Jefferson Parish requested assistance two days before Katrina hit but was ignored by the feds. Also:
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Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco declares a state of emergency for the state of Louisiana. [1] This declaration included activation of the state of Louisiana's emergency response and recovery program under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to supply emergency support services.
Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco declares a state of emergency for the state of Louisiana. [1] This declaration included activation of the state of Louisiana's emergency response and recovery program under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to supply emergency support services.
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Brown sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff five hours after landfall to activate 1,000 Homeland Security workers into the region. Brown acknowledges that this process will take two days. Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities.
That's like the feds sending the message that they expected Pearl Harbor to be attacked by non-urgent telegram rather than military channels.
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Brown defines role of requested assigned personnel and additional aid from the Department of Homeland Security: "Establish and maintain positive working relationships with disaster affected communities and the citizens of those communities. Collect and disseminate information and make referrals for appropriate assistance. Identification of potential issues within the community and reporting to appropriate personnel. Convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public. Perform outreach with community leaders on available Federal disaster assistance."
Nothing about actually helping someone there...
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August 30
President Bush spends the day making a speech to commemorate the ending of WWII at the North Island Naval Base in San Diego
President Bush spends the day making a speech to commemorate the ending of WWII at the North Island Naval Base in San Diego
What was he doing there?
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Michael Chertoff, released a memo to other cabinet members and the EPA stating "the President has established the `White House Task Force on Hurricane Katrina Response.' He will meet with us tomorrow to launch this effort."
Tomorrow? People are dying!!!
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FEMA refuses to allow volunteer firefighters into New Orleans.
What wonderful friends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_H...ay.2C_August_27