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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2005-09-30 at 16:18:01
Big bang, the great explosion that made the world. But really, what made that explosion? Since people speculate that there was nothing in the universe before it, and just out of nothing the gasses came, like, melted together and exploded, that made the world, but where did the gasses come from?

People also speculate that the world just assembled into one single spot, and then imploded, wich made the birth of the new Universe, but what actually made the implosion, and what made the assemblation?

Some Religious versions of the birth of the universe are that God made the world, but where did he came from in the beginning?

There is probably alot of other things that "made" the world. But was this really the beginning of the world, or did the world exist before?

What do you think made the world, and why do you think that? And what was there before?

I think that there was neither Big Bang nor no God who made the world. Because I think everything was there, and has been there forever, since I don't think you can make things just outta nothing. I would have chosen the great implosion, and the birth of the new Universe, because that one didn't really make everything, it just imploded and scattered out everything in the universe.

Please be serious.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-09-30 at 17:07:56
The big bang didn't create the world. The world was created by the big bang cooling down and matter forming, than slowly coelecsing into larger objects.
The big bang itself is said to have consisted of no actual matter. The energy levels were so great that practically everything was pure energy, (Think of a nuclear explosion, but for everything) It spread out across the nothing that is the universe. As it did it transformed, turning the energy into matter (Things with mass) which basiaclly contiued on untill they formed particles and eventually became stars.

The only thing we know about the universe before the big bang is that whatever it was, it eventually ended in this state of pure energy.

This idea behind the pure energy theory might not be true either, because it is areas like this where the principals of physics break down, no one can explain what actually happens in very dense areas at the atomic level.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-09-30 at 17:37:27
Where did energy come from? (I'm not arguing, just curious)

Also, if u think it was "always there", it's kinda weird to think that we're in the middle of infinite... like a ray...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-09-30 at 17:48:01
Who cares where the energy came from? The big bang theory explains the explosion and creation of our current universe, not where the energy and condensed matter came from. God if he so wished could have caused the big bang.

Plus, the infinite world theory, that the universe has always existed, is FALSE. Why? Because the universe WILL end.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2005-09-30 at 18:17:06
And who said the universe will end? Even if all the matter dissapeared the empty nothingness would still be there, most of the universe as we know it is made up of nothing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-09-30 at 19:03:36
The universe IS ending, but at a very..extremely slow process.

The universe loses its capacity at a certain rate. It is shrinking as we speak.

When the universe compresses and is at the end, that is called the Big Crunch, then another big bang will occur.

This could be the 6000th universe (big bang) for all we know. All of the universes have probably been around for... 10x1000^1,000,000,000,000,000 years, and that's just a guess, but it may be how old the total "void" is.

It is one of the weirdest things to think about...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-09-30 at 19:48:54
Thats the problem with the whole idea. Is that our universe is changing from a state of varying energy levels to a state where the energy levels are equal. (Entropy, the second law of thermodynamics says this.) Basically if there were to be universes one after another, than somewhere along the line, Entropy would reverse itself and things would start unbalancing themselves into states of higher potential. Which doesn't make sense.

Energy and matter are interchangable. So to answer Neiji's question, energy and matter are both made of the same things, and basically those tiniest things they are composed of are strings (If we go by string theory) which are basically non-exsistant. I say this because they don't have mass or take up space, and they don't have any properties of measurement, (such as magnetic pulls, or interactions with other substances) they make up these properties by having combinations of vibrations. Basically you can't measure them because alone they have no effects, only when combined to they emit forces of sorts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2005-09-30 at 22:00:57
The universe is not shrinking, it is still expanding. I guess it could start shrinking at some point but for now it is still going outward.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Valug on 2005-09-30 at 22:23:00
[sub]Ill let you in on a secret. A long time ago, one late night when I was hanging out with my buddies. I was aducted by aliens.

They told me earth and the surronding universe is not real. It all in the mind of an alien baby, a genious. When he first made us, he acted as "God". But now, he grows tired of running the world, and he is slowly killing us off as we speak. Luckily, the aliens have agreed to save my soul and implant me into an alien body, making me real when I die.

So hah. =D[/sub]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PlayaR on 2005-10-01 at 00:44:08
QUOTE(Temp @ Sep 30 2005, 10:00 PM)
The universe is not shrinking, it is still expanding. I guess it could start shrinking at some point but for now it is still going outward.
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yea it still is because of the blast from the big bang mellow.gif
or it might be because theres something else beyond which is pulling us outward

QUOTE(Valug @ Sep 30 2005, 10:23 PM)
[sub]Ill let you in on a secret. A long time ago, one late night when I was hanging out with my buddies. I was aducted by aliens.

They told me earth and the surronding universe is not real. It all in the mind of an alien baby, a genious. When he first made us, he acted as "God". But now, he grows tired of running the world, and he is slowly killing us off as we speak. Luckily, the aliens have agreed to save my soul and implant me into an alien body, making me real when I die.

So hah. =D[/sub]
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...dude he said he serious and he was polite too

QUOTE(Chronophobia @ Sep 30 2005, 04:18 PM)
Please be serious.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-10-01 at 05:44:04
QUOTE(Merrell @ Sep 30 2005, 03:03 PM)
The universe IS ending, but at a very..extremely slow process.

The universe loses its capacity at a certain rate. It is shrinking as we speak.

When the universe compresses and is at the end, that is called the Big Crunch, then another big bang will occur.

This could be the 6000th universe (big bang) for all we know. All of the universes have probably been around for... 10x1000^1,000,000,000,000,000 years, and that's just a guess, but it may be how old the total "void" is.

It is one of the weirdest things to think about...
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actually the universe is still exapanding at a very fast rate, but eventually the atraction of matter to eachother will eventually stop this expansion and eventually compress everyitng back togetehr again.

also the big flaw with your original statement that everything was always there, matter woudld eventually come to a rest when it all joined together. and you would need outside input of energy to make the big ball of mass to impolde in order for the big bang to happen. so either there was anothr universe whihc brougth energy to ours to implode it or another force did it for instance many people would suggest god.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-01 at 12:20:28
QUOTE(Merrell @ Sep 30 2005, 05:03 PM)
The universe IS ending, but at a very..extremely slow process.

The universe loses its capacity at a certain rate. It is shrinking as we speak.

When the universe compresses and is at the end, that is called the Big Crunch, then another big bang will occur.

This could be the 6000th universe (big bang) for all we know. All of the universes have probably been around for... 10x1000^1,000,000,000,000,000 years, and that's just a guess, but it may be how old the total "void" is.

It is one of the weirdest things to think about...
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It's actually picking up speed expanding, but evetually the gravity will get too strong and BAM big crunch.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-10-01 at 12:29:32
Scientists have calculated that there is not enough matter to create the necessary gravity to have a big crunch. Everything is just going to spread out and in 20 billion years the universe will be entirely dead, unless we grow so advanced that we can reproduce matter (good luck with that, but they have created miniature big bangs where excess matter was produced, defying physics). Who can really say what happens at those energy levels? Normal physics may not be valid there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-01 at 12:31:28
QUOTE(Felagund @ Oct 1 2005, 10:29 AM)
Scientists have calculated that there is not enough matter to create the necessary gravity to have a big crunch. Everything is just going to spread out and in 20 billion years the universe will be entirely dead, unless we grow so advanced that we can reproduce matter (good luck with that, but they have created miniature big bangs where excess matter was produced, defying physics). Who can really say what happens at those energy levels? Normal physics may not be valid there.
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It's called the big freeze theory, there's no way to predict which will happen but I'm hoping for crunch.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-10-01 at 17:14:50
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It's called the big freeze theory, there's no way to predict which will happen but I'm hoping for crunch.

You absolutely have no chance of being around to find out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-01 at 17:49:00
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Oct 1 2005, 05:14 PM)
You absolutely have no chance of being around to find out.
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... hell he doesn't even have a chance to find out what will happen in 100 years. closedeyes.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-10-01 at 17:52:33
Man, arguing about this doesn't do anything, besides reassure ourselves. Maybe il a couple of billion years it would. Though, if the Big Bang theory or the Evolution theory is proved, that doesn't disprove God. wink.gif Who cares how we were made. =P
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-10-01 at 18:28:16
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Who cares how we were made.
I do, if we figure out how we were made we could recreate it. I want to build my own pet. happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-10-04 at 09:19:30
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Who cares where the energy came from

Actually it is intruiging.
Some physical law i learned in 6-7 grade says that energy can not be created or destroyed, only changed in form.
And this particular question has always been bugging me; everything was created once, which to my way of thinking makes that law false though i may simply not know enough.

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I do, if we figure out how we were made we could recreate it. I want to build my own pet.


Ditto. It has always been my dream to recreate an intelligent species in the form of dragons.. When i figured out that wasnt a reality i changed to computers.

And on the big bang theory, I have no idea whether it is true or false, but i think that there was always a universe.. and if the big bang occured it occured within that, thus bringing together matter and expelling it, creating the universe we are in today.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-04 at 13:42:25
QUOTE(Merrell @ Sep 30 2005, 04:03 PM)
The universe IS ending, but at a very..extremely slow process.

The universe loses its capacity at a certain rate. It is shrinking as we speak.

When the universe compresses and is at the end, that is called the Big Crunch, then another big bang will occur.

This could be the 6000th universe (big bang) for all we know. All of the universes have probably been around for... 10x1000^1,000,000,000,000,000 years, and that's just a guess, but it may be how old the total "void" is.

It is one of the weirdest things to think about...
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Aw man! You stole my theory! cry.gif

I don't believe this is the 234203821002th universe though. I believe it is still the first.

But it is not shrinking, it is expanding. Eventually, according to our theory, it will shrink on itself (The same concept as a neutron star. Super Nova gets to big and implodes on itself)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-10-04 at 14:53:46
Let's just debate about this in about 200 years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2005-10-04 at 21:05:04
No one will ever know the answer to this. The "Big Bang" is the best solution we have, so its what we say started the universe. Why did it explode? Well, its said that the universe was smaller than a 1cm ball and it just couldn't hold the pressure anymore. This does sound like complete bs, but if it can be scientificaly explained to a point, I'll believe it I guess. drunk.gif
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