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ok here it goes im making a version of Lost Temple that would have good Anti-Map Hack features in it.

I read the Tutorials and it doesn't apply on Lost Temple because if player scouts a location with the crashing sprite it will crash them.

Also if i made the sprites or units cloaked, what if a normal player scouted the area with a observer and it would crash them too.

also i tried the IEP pack triggers in uberation, the "Anti-Inhale" ones and they dont work.

so i need some way to stop map hack, without the non-hackers crashing.

i was thinking about anti-map hacks and sniper bold locks v316 has a good anti-map hack feature in it, even if you see the area you dont get crash but if map hack is on you get crashed, so do anyone know how he did that?

and also what if a normal player had a detector in the area would it crash him?

i want a way to stop the hackers, without having the non-hackers get crashed or "defeat".

and agian, i already tried using uberation's IEP 'anti-inhale' triggers.

Well you could do that, but disable the crashing thing when there's a terran in the game, or when a scanner sweep is created. I even think scanner sweeps can even activate a trigger, right?

Scanner Sweep is a unit. Its owned by player 12.

that would work if the hacker leaves his map hack on, during the game, but if he turns it on like 1minute after then he doesn't crash but, i think this would catch at some of the hackers because most players leaves the hack on.

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anyone else gonna post about this...

It would be fun to use this on a melee map where you don't want people to go. Good idea

You can't do that on a melee map, everywhere is accessible.

You could have 3 or 4 different places where you disable the doodad state of something your not allowed to see (for instance, a battlecruiser or something else that flies). Then (you will need hyper triggers) when anyplayer brings a unit close to it then it removes the battlecruiser. I am suggesting air so that you can put it in places that ground can't go and most people won't usually go (usually the corners is a good place). Or if you can spare the space, put the crash sprite in a far corner of the map and in the mission briefings explain not to go there. But this will hint at hackers so...hope you get it to work.

About halfway through his tutorial: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?tutorial=2, DK suggests that one method for overcoming this problem is to choose several less-accessible spots to place crashing units, then to remove them if a unit comes close, and recreate them when there are no units around.

This is essentially the same idea as proposed by NerdyTerdy and Veritaserum, and is probably vulnerable to misfire due to scanner sweep. Even if you immediately remove the crashing unit when you detect a scanner sweep, the player will still get instant vision and detection in the area, making it very risky because your trigger might not fire fast enough even with hypertriggers.

Just as a side note, you can detect a scanner sweep using the "command" condition, but not the "bring" condition. And I'm pretty sure that they are owned by the player that cast them, not player 12 as suggested by Veritaserum (since they give vision to that player only).

You might center every player's view on a crashing sprite/unit at the beginning of the game in an unexplored area - so that most people see a black screen, but map-reveal hacks turned on before the game will crash - then remove the crashing unit a short while later and center everyone's view back to their start locations.

Otherwise, you might take a look at what people are considering using EUDs in this thread:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=20334

The EUD method has already been turned into triggers:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?download=4282

Apparently, (according to the first post), Sky has already tried that and it didn't work for him. But I don't know enough about EUDs, so maybe someone else can help him out here.

yes, i have already loaded the anti-inhale triggers into my map, and it doesn't work. i have already tested it with inhale.

i have tested removing the crashing unit, when a unit explores the area. it works but the only draw back is scanner sweep i sweeped the area, it gives me the vision, then it removes the unit, so its too late by then, and i crash.

Even with hyper triggers?

yes i used hyper, even if triggers activated faster than a hyper trigger, i believe it still wont work.

because you see, the scan is created first, so youll get vision first then the triggers will remove it. theres no way of detecting the scan befor you get the vision. because the condition is always has to be fullfiled...,

but i have a idea, im wondering if there is a way to make a particular spot on the map never have vision like its allways off at that spot, even by scanning or bringing a unit to it... just wondering if it was possible.

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i want people to think of a way how to solve this, i tried covering the crashing unit with another unit over it and it doesn't work, come on help me think of ways its a group effort...

i been investigating the eud Text byte. SO line 11 is the first line right? well in that case, line 10 should be iNHALE in yellow letters.

Line 1 is the first line that SC uses. Line 2 should be "iNHALE" in yellow. Try making the trigger detect it. Yellow is /4 in uBeR@TiOn. So it would be like this:

Line1 Bytes 0-3 is exactly "/4iNH"
Line1 Bytes 4-7 is exactly "ALE/0"

I'm not sure you need the /0 but I put it there just to be safe.

Edit: If you are willing to wait, I will test it.

i belive he just had tons of somethign in the middle of the area
(when i was a hacker i tried using it on that map)

nothing but red just appeared everywhere on minimap and i got teh crashed

it would be good if you could test it. but im gonna try it now since i know what to do.

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i did exactly what you posted there and it didn't work...

Okay so here's what I found out:
Yes SC starts on Line 11 like you said and it retains that spot. So to screw them up, you attempt to create a unit at a location. It will cause a server split if they are the only ones using iNHALE.

So here is a working trigger pack for it:
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If I were you, I'd add a display or something that tells them they've been hacking so they know what the hell happened to the game.

well i opened inhale.dll with notepad LOL, and i went ctrl + F and typed inhale and the character befor the iNH was something like this iNHALE
that triangle i dont know if its much help or not, im not a programer so i would like you to look intro inhale.dll to find some clues.

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it works i got a dsync when i tested it with a friend.

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could it replace the action with another like

displaytext();
defeat();

Yeah, only the condition part matters

I just do the Create Unit for a desync. Remember iNHALE users can choose not to leave when they get the defeat thing.