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Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-11-11 at 19:10:56
Opinion Poll Rules
1. Statements of opinion must be thorough and thought out. Blatant exclamations of "DAMN COMMIES!!", for example, will not be tolerated.
2. No flaming people while stating your opinion.
3. A new opinion poll will be posted weekly.

Last Week: An overwhelming majority of 76.09% said that they did not approve of the actions of U.S. President Bush.

This Week: Communism as an "ism". We all know that, by trial and error, it doesn't work across a large nation. However, the basis of communism is that every citizen is equal and they do everything for the common good. There are no rulers or laws, or private property. Everyone is supposedly driven by a desire to do common good.

Is this a good idea? Could it be applied to a different situation or group of people (varying culture, size, age, etc.)?

My Response: Yes. Although Communism relies too heavily on civic virtue to be effective in governing an entire nation, I think it would work well as a system for governing a small group of people, generally under 2,000 (think of your classic small town).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-11-11 at 19:28:08
I voted No. I am highly capitalistic (is that the right word?) I believe everyone should get credit for their ideas, if everyone performs equally then everyone should have the same wealth, but if someone performs at a higher level than someone else than their wealth should be higher too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-11-11 at 19:56:46
I think that conflicting / different types of government would be detrimental to the local, state, and federal relationships.

The United States' republic is actually very sound, but it is my sincere belief that the checks and balances were not, for lack of a more fitting word, enforced. Our president appeared to have too much influence, and that's not how the three branches of the U.S. government are supposed to work.

But concerning communism, a capitalism has proven to be superior. However, the idea of socialism is highly desirable to those without, but those with wealth would not want this because they have more to sacrifice. Say the U.S. capped the annual income at $100,000, which is hardly near the poverty line, and set the minimum income at $35,000, a respactable income.

Those figures are just for example. I have no idea how much that would save or cost.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-11-11 at 20:54:37
Communism as an idea? Great!

Communism as a reality? No way.

The steps to communism require getting rid of all greed; this is impossible. But I do like the idea of an utopia that we can at least hope for in the future. At the very least, it gives us a goal.

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I think it would work well as a system for governing a small group of people, generally under 2,000

In theory, the smaller the crowd, the better. However, in order for it to work, you would probably have to cut off all outside interference; literally, the denial of life outside their own social group.

If they were introduced to any foreign products, it could corrupt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-11-11 at 21:15:03
[center]When all parties involved strive to make it work the way it's supposed to, yes. Same goes for Anarchy.
Human nature ruins everything.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-11 at 22:12:12
Communism is good on paper, but doesn't work in the real world. Humans (as a whole) just aren't rightous (is that the word?) enough for that kind of system.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-11-11 at 22:16:26
Definantly in a small nation, like luxumbourg, the vatican (how cool would that be, comrade ratzinger.) Maybe about maxing at a New Zealand sized nation. As long as the people are happy and crime rates are low before communism is introduced, I think it could evolve into a utopian society. But then again if it gets to good people wn't accept it, leading to an anarchy with no hopes of inside repair.

(Think the first version of the matrix.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-11-11 at 22:49:08
Communism can only work in a perfect enviroment.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-11-12 at 00:21:28
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Communism as an idea? Great!

Communism as a reality? No way.
Took the words out of my mouth.

I have to say that the only way communism could ever work is when we had systems for accomplishing everything we needed. As soon as we want something the system doesn't supply it will fail. Just wait until all companies around the world only employ robots, then it would work.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-11-12 at 01:17:22
Communisim is great.
In a perfect world Communisim would be the government.
No matter what, people are going to disagree.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rogue_Phoenix on 2005-11-12 at 11:53:49
I like communism as an idea, the only problem is that to work it requires an absence of stupid/lazy/greedy people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zycorax on 2005-11-12 at 12:20:26
I like communism. I'm even a communist. And as most of you say; communism is very good, but hard to do, if you dont got the right people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-11-12 at 13:01:36
It's a good idea because I just read what DTBK's information said. (But then I know what it is)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-11-12 at 15:34:34
I think it would be a good idea if their was no such thing as human nature.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-11-12 at 19:03:38
I don't agree with communism because look at Russia Aka U.s.s.r ever since communism collapsed it has never been the same...or atleast thats wut they want us to think
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-11-12 at 21:30:55
QUOTE(n2o-SiMpSoNs @ Nov 12 2005, 02:34 PM)
I think it would be a good idea if their was no such thing as human nature.
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If there was no such thing as human nature, we wouldn't need a government would we? tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-11-12 at 21:45:32
You all Forget, That When Communism Comes into Play, It usually is by the People, a Revolution! Usually, What Usually Intervenes in its success, is the Capitalistic Countries that try all Sorts of "Coups" to take it down. Such as Economical Crashes, or Assasinating the leader. In Communism, Assasinating the Leader is Terrible, Its basicly like destroying it, If you assasinate the leader of a Capitalistic Country, it does nothing to it, Its like a Virus, A new Idiot will come and Voila.

Usually though, When a Revolution Upon Communism takes Place, It works VERY WELL, Its Mostly the Future Generations that MAYBE Cause Problems (But Solutions Have been Found to Counter such a thing) or Capitalistic Countries that do all their Mighty Possible to Screw it up. But Hey, Take a Look at Cuba, It has Succeeded, Although I could tell you the Situation could be much better if it wouldn't of been for the Most of Trades being Cut by Capitalistic Countries. they did to Cuba, Although they still Survived.

I am Pretty sure, That if Every Country Suddenly Became Communist, There would be No Problem. Its always an External problem Such as Capitalism that Gets in the way to Screw it up.

Note: I do not Agree on the Lazyness of People, Or their Stupidness in Anyway.

I Abide by this Quote: Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education." --Bertrand Russell
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-11-12 at 23:39:44
Capitalism is great, except for 1 major thing. People are able to get TOO powerful. As long as you stop that from happening, it's fine.

Communism would be perfect if corruption did not exist. But sadly enough, this is the real world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-11-13 at 13:19:34
QUOTE(cheeze)
Communism as an idea? Great!

Communism as a reality? No way.

The steps to communism require getting rid of all greed; this is impossible. But I do like the idea of an utopia that we can at least hope for in the future. At the very least, it gives us a goal.

Exactly what I was going to say... that communism is only good on paper, and not in RL.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-11-13 at 13:29:10
I don't Understand any of you, Capitalism does not work properly either. In Communism, It favors the majority. In Capitalism, It favours the minority. When Communism is applied, It is done by the people of the country. Thus works very well, everyone is knowledgable of what Mess they have gotten out of, nothing is taken granted. What is this attitude of "not good In reality"? Care to explain why? Oh I know you all insist upon the word "Greed", But thats no near from being true. I'd like examples of such a thing happening. Also, Capitalism is actually *BASED* on greed. Capitalism, itself in a sense means, The Capital, Like The Center, one's self. While Communism, has actually the word community in it as a root word.

Edit: Removed unnecessary capitals. Lol, I know where to place capitals, its just that I have the tendancy to capitalize many things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-11-13 at 13:36:10
Please stop randomly capitalizing the first letters of words. Only the first letter of a sentence, acronyms, and proper names are to be capitalized. As for the topic at hand, I've got nothing to say but this:


GOD DAMN COMMIES!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-13 at 14:54:40
Communism is A BAD IDEA. SOCIALISM IS A GOOD IDEA.

Socialism is basically democracy on steroids, where everyone is very equal.

Communism is the same thing, except the idea is that Communist countries take over the world, THEN make everyone equal.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-11-13 at 15:12:14
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Nov 13 2005, 02:54 PM)
Communism is A BAD IDEA. SOCIALISM IS A GOOD IDEA.

Socialism is basically democracy on steroids, where everyone is very equal.

Communism is the same thing, except the idea is that Communist countries take over the world, THEN make everyone equal.
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ERRRR on your last sentence, But I do agree Socialism is Great too, its like the step before Communism, both are good, Socialism works very well. I prefer Socialism/Communism Way more than Capitalism, capitalism Its the system that favours the minority, brings very little justice. Frankly, I see no reason for anyone to "Like" capitalism.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-13 at 21:10:09
Communism might work for some countries Ex. China. Communism has gotten a bad reputation because the countries that do or did have it used an Iron fist to rule. It can be helpful but it can also be harmful. It is good that the government makes everyone equal to help the starving and poor but i also think that it should be peoples choice to help or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-11-13 at 22:07:47
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 13 2005, 09:10 PM)
Communism might work for some countries Ex. China. Communism has gotten a bad reputation because the countries that do or did have it used an Iron fist to rule. It can be helpful but it can also be harmful. It is good that the government makes everyone equal to help the starving and poor but i also think that it should be peoples choice to help or not.
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You Don't udnerstand though, It is the people's choice to help. When a country is communist, it didn't come forcibly, it was a revolution by the People that took place.
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