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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-11-12 at 17:51:11
Sexism, hopefully all of you know what it means. I'm going to list some trends I've noticed lately:

1: Since Fifth Grade, and Excluding Eigth, every student council president from the higghest grade in my school has always been a girl. (Except eigth, like I said.)

2: In more than three Contests held at my school that involved any type of "personal" flare, all top three winners were girls. Including a contest this week at my school. Although I agree the first place submission kicked my submission's butt, the third place entry was a joke.

3: Ever notice how teachers seem to give girls lighter punishments?

Now, a little broader:

1: What are most girls in late middle/high school like? Majority are going through boyfriends like clothes or being... well, you get the idea.

2: How many special programs out there are just for guys, compared to "just girls" programs?

3: Why is it little 6 year old boys are constantly screamed at to sit still, when science has proven a 6 year old kid, unless really really smart for his age (and creepy, like me) should be running around outside more than the girls.

4: Men do get raped, but do we ever hear about it?

Okay, from that you should get my opinions about how Sexist america really is. Nothing is wrong with a little bit of femist movement, but when males in general become hindered because of it... well, then I'm against it.

Anyways, comments welcome.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-11-12 at 18:05:25
I agree, to an extent. I desire equality, but many feminists take it to the radical end of the spectrum. Feminists don't have as much to fight for as before, but many haven't noticed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-11-12 at 18:11:05
Mere coindence. Girls just tend to have in most cases, more of a personal creativity? Though it does not hold true in all cases, it does seem a bit unfair that girls are getting choosen over boys. But, the sexism works both ways.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-11-12 at 18:19:33
uh, that make no sense....
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t does seem a bit unfair that girls are getting choosen over girls.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-11-12 at 19:32:36
The whole schoolt hnig, except for the punishments is simply for the fact that guys usually don't care.

The punishment is because girls suck up to teachers and they fall for it.

When men get rapped they brag about it.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-11-12 at 20:09:02
You think the America is sexist against guys? Wow, you need to open your eyes buddy.

1. Girls generally are the only ones who care or are willing to go into student council. Do you want to be president of student council? Why do you even care is its always been a girl? How, is a negative way, does this even effect you?

2. Personal flare? I dont know what that is. But, girls have more of it, natually. Guys dont go around screaming and laughing and hugging everybody they see. Lots of girls do though. If a guy did that, most people would think he was gay.

3. I've never seen girls get lighter punishments. I've seen them try to though. Its really quite pathetic. But even if they do, its school; in the real world that little innocent "touch" wont work. They're just making themselves weaker by releying on their cute-ness.
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1: What are most girls in late middle/high school like? Majority are going through boyfriends like clothes or being... well, you get the idea.

Yes, some girls are complete and uder whores. But most aren't. If you percieve the general popualtion of highschool girls like this then you will be in for a let down.

2. There are enough special programs out there for men. What other kinds do we need? Some special programs that women have are: abortion help centers, rape centers, menopause clinics, and many more. Men dont need those.

3. Guys need to go to school and leran as well as girls.

4. Men get raped, but its rare, and when it happens no man would tell anyone (unless they were raped by another man, and even then they would rarely tell). You never hear about it because no man would tell, it would be embarrising and destroy what dignity they had left.
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There are more men that are sexist against women than the other way around. There are 1000 times more men raping wemon then women raping men. There are 1000 more problems women have that men create for them than the other way aorund. Sure, some women can be a handful or annoying, but generally we are much more of a problem.

I do hate feminests, or the extreme ones, because they are so unreasonable and, pretty much, stupid. But wanting and protecting women rights is important.

You should learn to respect women more.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-12 at 20:37:05
This is similar to the racism against whites in america.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rogue_Phoenix on 2005-11-12 at 20:42:52
I agree pretty much with what you're saying. In my opinion these days rather than a feminist movement there should be an "equality" movement; the feminist movement was called for when women had unequal rights but now that women have equal rights men are getting left behind. Don't get me wrong its hardly anything yet but give it time......... Why is it ok for a woman to hit a man but not vice versa?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-11-12 at 20:59:55
Okay, first, I went for Vice-President of our school this year, got defeated. I no longer support the current grade president anyways. So stuff the "guys don't do student council" into teh trash can.
Also, I'm also interested in being a Student Council Representative that doesn't vote on the school board if I can get it.

Personal Flare: I'm changing my argument, will edit

Clubs: I meant science clubs for guys and stuff. Things that are biological in nature (Like you listed: Abortion Menopause.) are not part of my argument.

Rape: Brag about it? Would you like some Vixen who is fat, obese, has a face like a goat to rob you, then rape you?

About Girls getting lighter punishment, like Rouge said, a Girl can practicly hit a man (Barehanded, not with a crowbar or such) and pretty much get in no trouble. In school, two guys get in a fight, they both get suspended, even if they had perfect records before then. (This happened to two of my classmates) Two grils with same clean record get maybe a detention or two, where at least they don't take a day or more of zeros.

More and More girls are becoming dumbed down little prostitutes, except they aren't getting paid. Just look at the public perception of beautiful, which (Although very attractive) is bad for young girls. I mean, 4/5 cases of eating disorders are found in girls. Do those dolls like Bratz that I see in commercials all the time say anything about what the girls of our world are going to be like?

Oh and About school: Need I find that old Reader's Digest article I read about how we need to change education so boys especially in young grades don't get trampled by girls?

Dark, I've replied to every statement you've made except the last three or four about me needing to respect women more.

Now, I am going to fully flip out.

MY ARGUMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RESPECT!!!

Except the mention of whores, I have not been disrespectful at all to females, I've just stated that maybe everyone should make sure their equal rights don't cause a need for a man's right movement

Darnit, I hate using tags, this is the third time I;ve had to edit just for the dumb tags!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-11-12 at 21:26:09
Honestly, if I were ever nicer to a girl than to a guy it's because my biology wanted her. It's just part of being human. So to make up for it, I'm meaner to girls instead of guys nowadays.

If women want ALL the rights of a men, they need to be ready to take ALL the punishments and responsibilities too. But it will never happen. The human race is male dominant. There are plenty of species of animals that are female dominant, but it just so happens that humans aren't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-11-12 at 21:30:12
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Nov 12 2005, 07:09 PM)
You think the America is sexist against guys?  Wow, you need to open your eyes buddy.

1.  Girls generally are the only ones who care or are willing to go into student council.  Do you want to be president of student council?  Why do you even care is its always been a girl?  How, is a negative way, does this even effect you?

2.  Personal flare?  I dont know what that is.  But, girls have more of it, natually.  Guys dont go around screaming and laughing and hugging everybody they see.  Lots of girls do though.  If a guy did that, most people would think he was gay.

3.  I've never seen girls get lighter punishments.  I've seen them try to though.  Its really quite pathetic.  But even if they do, its school; in the real world that little innocent "touch" wont work.  They're just making themselves weaker by releying on their cute-ness.
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Yes, some girls are complete and uder whores.  But most aren't.  If you percieve the general popualtion of highschool girls like this then you will be in for a let down.

2.  There are enough special programs out there for men.  What other kinds do we need?  Some special programs that women have are:  abortion help centers, rape centers, menopause clinics, and many more.  Men dont need those.

3.  Guys need to go to school and leran as well as girls.

4.  Men get raped, but its rare, and when it happens no man would tell anyone (unless they were raped by another man, and even then they would rarely tell).  You never hear about it because no man would tell, it would be embarrising and destroy what dignity they had left.
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There are more men that are sexist against women than the other way around.  There are 1000 times more men raping wemon then women raping men.  There are 1000 more problems women have that men create for them than the other way aorund.  Sure, some women can be a handful or annoying, but generally we are much more of a problem.

I do hate feminests, or the extreme ones, because they are so unreasonable and, pretty much, stupid.  But wanting and protecting women rights is important.

You should learn to respect women more.
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Please don't try making up statistics and facts right up on the spot. I don't really think there are 1000's more men getting raped then women. There is still sexism against men, don't try to ignore the fact. Just since you don't see men recieving sexist actions and comments doesn't mean it happens less.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-11-12 at 23:10:42
Who cares? It's close enough. You can never have it 50/50. There are much bigger things to worry about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-11-12 at 23:14:29
I think girls are brought up to act different towards the society and stuff, so they get treated differently too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-11-13 at 01:52:48
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but generally we are much more of a problem.


grow a wang much? LOL j/k

I see what you guys are saying but I have seen plenty of times girls have gotten special attention. One where theres a girl teacher who I guess wants to look out for her own kind.... and the other type is where you have a guy teacher who likes em' young, so he lets them off easy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-11-13 at 03:46:42
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Nov 12 2005, 05:09 PM)
You think the America is sexist against guys?  Wow, you need to open your eyes buddy.

1.  Girls generally are the only ones who care or are willing to go into student council.  Do you want to be president of student council?  Why do you even care is its always been a girl?  How, is a negative way, does this even effect you?

2.  Personal flare?  I dont know what that is.  But, girls have more of it, natually.  Guys dont go around screaming and laughing and hugging everybody they see.  Lots of girls do though.  If a guy did that, most people would think he was gay.

3.  I've never seen girls get lighter punishments.  I've seen them try to though.  Its really quite pathetic.  But even if they do, its school; in the real world that little innocent "touch" wont work.  They're just making themselves weaker by releying on their cute-ness.
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Yes, some girls are complete and uder whores.  But most aren't.  If you percieve the general popualtion of highschool girls like this then you will be in for a let down.

2.  There are enough special programs out there for men.  What other kinds do we need?  Some special programs that women have are:  abortion help centers, rape centers, menopause clinics, and many more.  Men dont need those.

3.  Guys need to go to school and leran as well as girls.

4.  Men get raped, but its rare, and when it happens no man would tell anyone (unless they were raped by another man, and even then they would rarely tell).  You never hear about it because no man would tell, it would be embarrising and destroy what dignity they had left.
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There are more men that are sexist against women than the other way around.  There are 1000 times more men raping wemon then women raping men.  There are 1000 more problems women have that men create for them than the other way aorund.  Sure, some women can be a handful or annoying, but generally we are much more of a problem.

I do hate feminests, or the extreme ones, because they are so unreasonable and, pretty much, stupid.  But wanting and protecting women rights is important.

You should learn to respect women more.
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Amen.

Girls tend to be more even-tempered, and seriously how many guys run for things like student council. If 10% of the people running are guys, isn't it fair that only 10% of the elected are guys?

You think America is sexist against men? By the end of 2001, women made 75.1 cents to the dollar men make in the same profession.

Look at school demographics. What percentage of students expelled or put up for expulsion for weapons and/or drugs are male? Show you anything?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by I-X-King-X-I on 2005-11-13 at 04:23:51
i agree with you to a certain point


one reason why guys and girls get treated differnt is like..

uh..

if a girl gets raped, she reports it, adn the man gets put in jail


if a guy gets raped (by a girl!) he enjoys it and go blurts it out


guys are just more...guyish..


its just something you really cant change
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-11-13 at 10:09:43
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You think America is sexist against men?  By the end of 2001, women made 75.1 cents to the dollar men make in the same profession.

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I agree with you but on this statement. Does this fact include bill gates and donald trump and really rich men? Cuz then this fact is kind of biased.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-11-13 at 11:26:46
A comparison of men and women in the same job showed that they od in fact make less. I don't have a source though, this is all from memory, so I may be wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-11-13 at 11:48:12
I agree with you that there is sexism on both sides, but seriously, are those the best you can come up with? This happens all the time where a "minority" gets a little more than the opposer. The reality is that I will get more scholarship money than you, but a black, handicapped, lesbian is still going to get more than me. All this sexism and racisim is a big cooperate gimick. Affirmitive Action sucks.

What about all those stupid jokes about female supperiority? This is true: My friend posted a sexist joke about female superiority, my guy friend rebuted it with another joke, and she went farking psycho on him.

Yea, there's sexism in America. But seriously...none of these are good reasons to prove it, beyond affirmitive action, anyways.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-11-13 at 12:06:29
The annoying thing about equality, is that it is so hard to get a quantiful measure of it.

Ok, now I'm going to go read the topic tongue.gif

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Nicely said.

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Another intersting point thingy. That was an interesting article, it discussed how becuase of inate biological differences, boys had a harder time early in grade school then girls.
I know many very smart guys who have gotten left back in kindergarden, and 0 girls who have.

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An oft cited, and very real statistic.

Now for my comentary about the whole rape issue. Girls do get rapped more then guys generally, except in the case of prison. However, if a guy gets rapped in prison, then the issue is largly ignored. And no, if a guy gets butt rapped in prision, he's not going to go around bragging about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-11-13 at 14:05:53
I meant rape as a free man.

Really, would you want a girl who's morbidly obese, holding a gun who makes a donkey look beautiful raping you?
About the 75 cents to a man's dollar, I've seen that statistic also. I disagree with that practice.

yeah, how many girls do you know actual stay back in kindergarten?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-11-13 at 16:44:38
Can someone actually tell me a news story where a man was raped and he told all his buddies? I doubt that has ever happened, you know why?

QUOTE(rape)
sexual intercourse with a woman by a man without her consent and chiefly by force or deception


Now, it would not be rape if the man enjoyed the sex and was not forced to do it. He probably wholeheartly agreed then. I'm sure if you were to be raped by a women, that you would not tell all your friends. You'd probably seek help before telling everyone at school, "Hey guys! A girl just raped me and it was great! She forced me down and everything!". Yeah, good luck with that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-11-13 at 16:54:07
One thing about male rape, you kinda have to be in the mood to get an erection, so it doesn't really work if the person raping you isn't attractive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-13 at 21:00:23
I think that YOU are sexist infested-jerk

nearly all of the arguments you have put up about girls having more attention or success is because there is a very good reason for it. I do admit that school in school there is a little sexism but nothing to cry about. so what if a girl is better then you just try harder next time and forget about it.

The world will always be sexist and racist. the main thing is that we reduce it so that everyone is happy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-11-14 at 16:52:35
School affects sucess.
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