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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-12-08 at 06:41:27
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DTBK Note: Agnostic is not a religion, and Buddhism is an atheistic religion.
I was just noticing this and I thought to myself, wait this can't be. Although many could claim that it is not a religion, what actually defines a religion. Is it simply a belief? Or is it actions.. Or is it something as basic as different social areas. Religion seems to be a very vague term. Granted you could say a text book example of a religion would be a "an organized system of faith that has pertained over a time period" but does that honestly do it justice? According to this, one could even say that monetary policy is a religion. But then again who's to say it isn't. You could say that people do not devote their faith to money because they believe in something more than a simple structure made by man. But how can you discern what has been made by man and what hasn't. Arrg I'm to sleepy to continue debating with myself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-12-08 at 06:55:56
[center]Blind faith in something that cannot be proven with science.
Something I'm not affiliated with in any way. If you can't taste/touch/hear/other senses it, is it real? I'm not sure if you can give a definite definition to religion.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-08 at 08:31:17
Religion, to me, is something that explains something without any evidence or proof to back it up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-12-08 at 12:29:14
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  1.        a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
              b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
  2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
  3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
  4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

I think 3 is the primary description, since it fits all religions. 1 is mainly based around Christianity, not necessarily religion as a whole.

Religion isn't just about explaining existences of God or gods, nor is it just about explaining how the world was created and such. It's mostly about teachings and lessons taught by spiritual leaders.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2005-12-08 at 13:53:09
religion is just something used to confort the people. its all bullshiz, nothing is true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Freedawk on 2005-12-08 at 15:48:00
Religion can be anything. IF you love video games too much and you can't live without it, Gaming could be a religion to you. If you can't live without God or Satan, then that is your religion. So basically religion is based on free will. Believe what you want, or believe nothing.

And yes, believing something can be bullshiz just because it might not exist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-08 at 16:14:53
Millenium has ended this abstract argument in a concrete way. Case closed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-12-08 at 16:21:32
Any "religion" you believe in is worth to be called religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-12-08 at 18:27:18
Well soon after posting this topic, something occured to me.
A religion would be classified as a more defined version of a club. Each person may have his own way of going about life and following some set guidelines, but they are all brought together because of what they say they are. One thing that might single out Atheists is that there really aren't many athiest "clubs" or congregational areas, which you find in many other religions, it would be against their idea of what is right.

An interesting study would be to randomly place people together for a short period of time, some who have the same religion and some who have differing beliefs, and see which ones bond more closely. Granted there would be a few extreme devotees, but most of us don't flaunt our beliefs wherever we go.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-08 at 23:00:22
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religion is just something used to confort the people. its all bullshiz, nothing is true.

Opinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-09 at 00:28:15
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 8 2005, 09:00 PM)
Opinion.
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Then isn't what you say, and everyone else says, basically opinion?

Exactly. Close this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)RuFF on 2005-12-09 at 01:17:03
Don't you also need someone to believe?

Christians depend on God.
and I don't know what other religions worship, but they all have their own God, which is their savior. In other words, they are thanking their God or savior for everything they have done to them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-09 at 01:47:41
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1.        a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.


Yes, so philosophies such as Confucianism, or "anti-religions" such as atheism* and agnosticism are not considered religion at all.

*atheism is actually a misused word. Atheism does not imply you follow no religion; Buddhism in an atheistic religion. Atheism is the partner word to monotheism and polytheism and simply means you do not believe in an impersonation of a divine power.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-12-09 at 10:42:17

Technically, you just need 1000 people to become a religion. Anything lower than that is a "cult".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2005-12-09 at 17:43:15
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 9 2005, 04:00 AM)
Opinion.
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nah? u think? thanks for the tip, tips. but im not the only person in the world with this opinion eather, alot of ppl have the same view as i do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-09 at 17:52:18
This thread is a pointless waist of database space -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-09 at 17:52:41
There's a lot MORE ppl that say religion is NOT bullshiz, and majority wins in America! Woot yawn.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-09 at 17:55:08
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 9 2005, 03:52 PM)
There's a lot MORE ppl that say religion is NOT bullshiz, and majority wins in America! Woot yawn.gif
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Ever heard of sheep?

The sheep (People) follow the Sheep Hearder (Religion)

The Sheep Herder, as you can see, is a very poor man, that depends on his sheep. Without them, he is useless
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-12-09 at 17:55:10
QUOTE(Jay_Spartan @ Dec 8 2005, 03:48 PM)
Religion can be anything. IF you love video games too much and you can't live without it, Gaming could be a religion to you.
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You're just getting religion confused with an expression.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2005-12-09 at 17:56:19
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 9 2005, 10:52 PM)
There's a lot MORE ppl that say religion is NOT bullshiz, and majority wins in America! Woot yawn.gif
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hmm, true enough but im not american closedeyes.gif there are other countries in the world u no
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-09 at 17:59:14
QUOTE(Kellimoose @ Dec 9 2005, 03:55 PM)
Ever heard of sheep?

The sheep (People) follow the Sheep Hearder (Religion)

The Sheep Herder, as you can see, is a very poor man, that depends on his sheep.  Without them, he is useless
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-12-09 at 21:17:35
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Dec 9 2005, 12:47 AM)
Yes, so philosophies such as Confucianism, or "anti-religions" such as atheism* and agnosticism are not considered religion at all.

*atheism is actually a misused word.  Atheism does not imply you follow no religion; Buddhism in an atheistic religion.  Atheism is the partner word to monotheism and polytheism and simply means you do not believe in an impersonation of a divine power.

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Yes, only Trait #1 from that list applies to religions like christianity and hinduism.

But Confusianism is still a religion since it contains traits 3 and 4:
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3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
  4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-12-10 at 00:35:51
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Technically, you just need 1000 people to become a religion. Anything lower than that is a "cult".
I have to say that wherever you got your information for that it is not entirely true. There are cults with greater than 1000 people. A friend of mine did a report on the difference between religions and cults. Pretty much the only real difference is the length of time the belief systems have been in effect. If people believe in something for many generations than its a religion, where as cults generally are short lived things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-10 at 03:25:58
Trekies anyone?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nightmaremage99 on 2005-12-10 at 03:56:13
Religion is needed just becuase people who are under pressure need some kind of source to reveal it and etc. And some place where they can so call confess your sins. Also christinaity got so big becuase of the whole jesus thing which accutally wasnt big but also some king i forget which one during the holy roman empire declared the roman as christains. Thats how i think it pretty much grew and why its needed. Dont see hows jesus turned everyone christains though.. he was like 100% jewish but teaching it in a little different way.
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