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Have you ever wondered why people are sheep, and follow their herder, whatever the herder may be?

This totally boggles my mind at how pathetically stupid society, and all it's followers are.

Let me give an example for the Sheep dealymabob:

There is a lonely Sheep herder, that goes by the name of Society. This sheep herder is very, very poor and relies on his sheep for his way in life. So doing what he does best (Hearding/Pushing/Ordering/Brainwashing, anything else you can think of that is mallicious to the good of people) he herds his sheep along a path that only benefits him, and not the sheep.

Do they have the influence to change it? No.

For another example, I shall use religion:

There is a lonely Sheep Herder that goes by the name of Religion. This sheep herder is very, very, very poor, and relies on his sheep for his way of life. So. By doing what he does best (Hearding/Pushing/Ordering/Brainwashing, anything else you can think of that is mallicious to the good of people) he herds his sheep along the path of "Rightiousness, and prosperity" (More like prosperity for themselves... ) By preaching from The Holy Bible, he is able to change the meaning of his preaches, to his own feeling ("Pay our blessed house, and thou shall be rewarded in heaven for your generous deeds!" Yeah, uh-hu. More like, "Give us your money for our bullshiz that we preach!") and thus, able to manipulate his sheep.

Do they have the influence to change it? No.

My last example: Government

There is a lonely Sheep Herder that goes by the name of Government. This sheep herder is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very poor, and relies on it's lies, and it's sheep for it's way of life (There is no money. Your dolar bills? They are bills of DEBT. The more money you have, the more in DEBT you are. Don't believe me? Look at a dollar bill. At the top it says: Federal Reserve NOTE. Usually, in banking terms, a NOTE is a form of debt [Promensary note anyone??] Now. If our country was not in DEBT trillions upon trillions of dollars, we would actually HAVE MONEY. Oh, btw: The Federal Trade killed Kennedy because he was going to put the money back into the peoples hands. ) So. By doing what he does best (Hearding/Pushing/Ordering/Brainwashing, anything else you can think of that is mallicious to the good of people) he herds his sheep into paying Taxes (Again, because of the DEBT. It is their way of sucking the money out of the American people to help with their own farkups) Forces them to join the Selective Services (Hmm... Reminds me of the Romans.. Doesn't it you? Why is everything stolen from the Romans (Republic) and Greeks (Democracy)? Yes. We are a Democratic-Republic. The Democratic-Republic of the United States of America to be precise. I know you're going to come here and post shiz saying that we aren't a Democrtic-Republic, or something along those lines. Take a good look. We have a Senate (Republic) and a House (Republic) We have elected officials into the House of Representatives, and The Senate (Democratic-Republic because in a Democracy, the people choose) and the people elect a CEO (Democracy) So please. Don't even try to debate against this) Education (This is not a bad push. Everyone needs to be educated so they can elect proper officials, become something with theirself, ect... Unfortunatly, most of America is in fact, not educated. *CoughchrisCough*) and other various things that I wish to leave out at this time because it is 2:30AM, and i'm tired. Maybe later.

Do the sheep have the influence to change it? To a very slim extent (The election of the House/Senate/CEO is all we get to do. Nothing else. Everything else is ran by the elected officials in the Local, and Federal Governments. Think about it. Even your hometown is a small, local government. You have your mayor, and all his chambers and shiz. Then you cannot forget your State Government. Setup the same was as the Federal, but with not as much members, lol)

It sickens me to know that this is how our once proud and mighty American government, has degraded to... *Pukes*

P.S. No offence S.T.A.R.S-Chris, but you shouldn't post here. You will only cause flames or spam. Even both possibly. The reason you will do this: Your own arrogence.

Edited: Added "Do they have the influence to change it? No." after discussion with Cheeze.

Ya! That sounds just like me... I'm a sheep, but the forgotten sheep

[center]Conformists. Think for yourselves please.[/center]

WARNING: Long read ahead!

I would consider myself a "selective sheep." There are things I follow and things I don't. I think at the end of the day, everyone is a sheep to some degree. Funny thing is, most people would deny being a sheep if you asked them. But if you really think about it, even people that don't think they're sheep are often times sheeps as well.

Here's an analogy I've used in discussions such as this: "It easier for a ball to roll downhill instead of uphill." In this case, the "ball" is a person, going downhill means just going with the flow of the forces in the world, and going uphill means making an effort go against what you are inclined to do. People ususally aren't willing to put in the effort it would take to make a difference because it's just easier not to. People are preoccupied with their own struggles in life and it is often too much trouble to bother trying to make a real difference in any type of community. A lot of it is out of ignorance, but a lot of it is because

What I'm about to say isn't an attack on anyone here, I just want you to really ponder this. If thinking people are sheeps makes you angry, then you are a sheep too. There are MILLIONS of people who are annoyed to varying degrees about how "sheepish" the world is. They are not wrong, but they are jumping on a sort of "bandwagon" that is already filled up with millions of people if they decide that being a sheep is wrong. Indeed, I belonged to that thinking trend at one point.

But think about what everyone wants. Everyone wants the most they can get with the least amount of effort. If you were to go to a crowded square of people and shout "People are sheeps!", then you can count on about half of them grimacing in annoyance at you and the other half nodding in agreement. All of them are just reacting based on a set of values they have chosen to adopt. Almost everyone's opinion on any matter is not truly theirs, it is an opinion they heard somewhere else and happen to agree with. If you confront any group of people with a problem, then they will all react based on their "values." It really takes a lot of effort to do your own thinking, or to go "uphill." So most people, however radical their viewpoints may be, are usually just reacting based on their mental conditioning.

I will use the two times in my own life as examples of times which I believe were times in which I went "uphill" when it would have been much easier (and maybe even make more sense to most people) to simply go "downhill."

Number 1: My custody struggles for my son.

When he was born he was found to have drugs in his system because his mom couldn't make the "uphill" climb against her conditioning and wants it would have taken to become clean. I was 17 when he was born. Most guys at that age are NOT ready for a family or to settle down (even if they think they are they are dead wrong. Try staring down the barrel of parenthood at the age of 17), so I really went against what I was inclined to do (which was head for the hills), when I made the decision to help out any way I could.

Initially, DHS didn't remove him and instead kept surveilance of him and his mom for a few months. But once they decided it was time to act, they did and took him into their custody. They had all the evidence they needed to prove his mother as unfit (she really hadn't gotten much better after he was born). However, since most fathers in cases like that roll "downhill" (in other words, run for it), they made that assumption about me and didn't bother to see if I was a fit parent or not. When I was able to prove that I had been taking care of my son at my house for an almost equal amount of time as she had, AND had been paying child support and getting the things he needed, I took DHS by surprise. It was a long struggle, but that proved to be the chink in the armor of their case that stopped them from winning and putting him in a foster home.

So they gave him back to HER. I'm pretty sure I know why too. They were just waiting for her to screw up and they also began keeping tabs on me. So I challenged my boy's mom for custody. With the first court battle, I won joint custody. But taking her to trial proved too expensive to try again so I slowed down and tried to befriend her again. After awhile, I promised I would get back together with her and move to another state with her (so she could escape her drug debts) if she would sign full custody over to me (so she could prove she was "trustworthy" to me, that was my main argument for that, you know chicks ). So she did and once I officially had custody, I cut off all ties with her. I haven't spoken with her in months. I think she's in jail now. Also, before all this went down, I informed DHS that all legal matters would be handled by the tribal courts (I'm a quarter Cherokee), so they backed out of the scene. I wanna thank my mom for all the advise . But the "get back together" stunt was all my idea.

It would have been so much easier in all of those different situations to either run away or do nothing, but I chose to take action because it was the right thing to do. It was the best I could do for my son and I did it. In the time I've spent typing this so far, I have been body slammed by my son 10 or 12 times, as well as stopping to get him jello and chocolate milk, and it's all worth it.

Number 2: My contributions to make a difference in education.

Let's go back to that crowded square I mentioned earlier. If you were to stand up and shout "Knowledge is power!" or "Our children need more education!", then most of them (more than the first example) would nod in agreement. But by shouting or by agreeing, nothing has been done to actually change the problem. Obviously, complaining won't help, but saying that won't stop the millions of people who complain all the time about education (it's still rolling "downhill" because it's easier than taking action).

Soooo, that's why I am currently drawing a short animated movie. It's theme is about the value of an education. It's not a preachy movie. I know kids won't take medicine unless it's candy coated. It's just a weird little story about a kid who overcomes his obstacles by educating himself about them in advance. His failures and successes are determined by how prepared he is (or whether he takes the effort to go "uphill" instead of doing the easy thing and slacking off to play video games or hang out with friends). I'm drawing the WHOLE thing myself and it's already taken more than a year, but hopefully it will be finished soon. I'm hoping I can interest a network to make a TV series about it. I'm a film major in college because I know the best way to reach people is through the media.

Anyways, I'm hoping you can all recognize why it's necessary that most people follow instead of lead. Take my movie for instance, I haven't paid anyone to help me, I just go around and talk about it and show samples to get people excited about it and they help me. Either by doing voices, or recording free music, or helping me with other things I don't know how to do. It's not their idea, and it's easier for them to contribute in a small way instead of thinking it up for themselves or doing a ton of work on it. Again, people want to get as much as they can with the least amount of work.

Really challenge yourself with this too. You are probably alot more sheepish than you're willing to admit. But that's okay, like I said, there's nothing wrong with it. It is very necessary in the world. Just have the clairvoyance (spell?) to see when following the trends or doing something about it would be the best decision.

Good lord Kellimus, you got a lot out of me.

I'm very sheepish when it comes to certain things.

And you're welcome Doodad I'm glad you put thought into this, and explained as well as you did.

blacksheep here i hate to be bossed around. i can be a leader tho

I just do not mind many things. But if someone I don't know tells me to do something that I wouldn't normally do, then I say screw it.

[sub]Im no sheep.[/sub]

If it really bothers you, move to Korea.

Really? I think the reason he will do that is because you insulted him several times in your post and now you are telling him not to defend himself.

With me as my shepard, I shall travel into the valley of the stupid and see many sheep.

I got nothing against sheep. I mean, who else is gonna flip my burgers and fight my wars?

When a sheep was talking to another sheep, what did he say? - Let's get the flock out of here.

I'm a sheep that bends the rules

Kellimoose is quite right, in my opinion.

The average person has a lot of two qualities: Fear and laziness. Being a leader usually requires some courage and hard work, thus most people take the easy way out.

Hmm.. Maybe if you were more active, you would realize that my insulting of him, and telling of him to not even post here, is plausible because he did much much worse to me in a previous post.

And if you go throughout every topic about america, you will see that he blindly, arrogently, and ignorantly defends the government that is failing much faster than he believes it is.



I like your style.. But I don't like to think of it that way, lol



Thanks for your input Moose, because it's so true, lol.

It does take courage and hard work to be an effective leader. Hell, to be an effective person!

That's bullshіt. (Reffering to Christianity) The offerings to church are not mandatory. Maybe for catholics, but definantly not for true for protestants. I consider that a personal attack.

As for the sheepage, I agree with doodan. I be different for some things, and conform for others. I'm not a slave to society. I be who I want, and only do things due to others wishes if I get something beneficial out of it.

mmmm wow interesting read, and I will post here as long as I want, as long as I stay in the guide lines of the forum.

Kellimoose, the more you say "stop posting here" the more I will post. Your not intimidating, your not going to intimidate me, and I can't see how any would be intimidated by you. There now that, thats all taken care of let me move on.

I have not stated my stance on what our government is at all (democratic-republic etc) so I have no idea why you are saying "FU chris" to me about it, I have not discussed what our government is at all so this is funny to me

Basically I care about you so much that I revised your entire post Kellimoose and got right down to the point:

"I believe every one is a sheep, ESPECIALLY CHRIS, and Im not a sheep, but are you a sheep? Our government is a democratic-republic.

The end"

there how did you like my edit?

I know about it, but I don't think you should go taking it to every topic you post in.

Your edit is wrong:


But the rest is true, good job at repeating what was already said

yeah I was trying to spare every one a long read, tryed to get down to the basics of your thesis, thats just what I do.

I follow certain things, I'm a big fan/believer/follower of science and logic, but I'm also very anticonformist. I like following certain things, but I don't like those meanies who always say I should be "normal". Those farking conformist illegitimate childs. I think they were pretty much the entire reason for Columbine. I have a lot of sympathy for those two guys. Shooting up the school isn't the solution, but I don't really blame them, especially if they were a little unbalanced.

Conformism is an example of the fact that many sheep love their shephards, and will fight to protect him. Many sheep love being sheep.

No wonder most your debates suck



Hmm... I agree with that, lol. I sure in the hell love my internet

But what is Conformism though?

You really shouldn't be talking about how debates suck or not. You NEVER stay on topic, you NEVER supply proof, you ALWAYS personnally attack the person you are debating against, and you NEVER are able to formulate a good arguement (In which you then bash the person you are debating against).

Kellimoose you are not flexible at all with debates either, you stand by your ill-fated arguements until you die. And please don't tell me Im ill-educated becuase you didn't even know about the first World Trade Center Bombing in which I had to show PROOF about them to you, which is just one example of why you should not bring that up concerning me.

Another thing about sheep that I'd like to add is about one's perception of them.

If I were really stressed one day and felt too tired to structure a good argument about an issue, and if someone were to ask me what I thought of Bush and corporate America, I would say something like "He's a greedy illegitimate child."

That person would probably think I was a sheep in the anti-Bush movement (I'll say it here and now, I DO NOT like Bush), because of my thoughtless resposnse. While most of the time, I would be willing to debate and talk about the issue, on that particular day I did not feel like being civil.

So it's near impossible to really tell if someone is a sheep or not without really getting to know them or observing them when they really break the mold.

If people are in a certain mood they tend to show it in many ways.