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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-12-12 at 20:18:48
Smoking. It kills enough people to be weighed in tons, a year. Yes, it causes heart failure. Yes, it causes lung cancer. And yes, it causes emphysema. It kills people. It is supposedly dangerously addictive and a drug. But you know what? They keep telling us only the bads of smoking. Let's finally look at the GOODS:

WHAT A DRAG!
Nicotine addiction is not instantaneous. "Addiction takes around two to three years — from the time a person first tries a cigarette to the point where he or she is smoking on a daily basis," Dr. Heishman says. In fact, the first drag often makes a new smoker dizzy and nauseous, thanks to nicotine's adverse effects.

-http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/articlearchives/humanbody/hookedonnicotine.htm

However, Nicotine is not totally addictive, huh? Dumb health teacher, need more?

UP IN SMOKE
Strangely enough, nicotine is not what makes smoking so harmful. The real villain is the cigarette itself, which pumps more than 4,000 chemicals into your body, about 200 of which are poisonous. The damage that's done to the heart and lungs is primarily due to tars, carcinogens (cancer-causing chemicals), and carbon monoxide in smoke, Dr. Heishman explains.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtool...donnicotine.htm

Stfu teacher, nicotine ain't that bad either.


The Federal Government does not want to ban tobacco. The Office on Smoking and Health reports there are 46,824,800 adult smokers in the United States providing an annual net tax revenue from cigarettes of $5,586,000,000. Tobacco will continue to be grown and cigarettes will continue to be sold. The difference, they hope, is that tobacco will be grown only by large corporate growers whom they can control rather than by smaller independent family farms.

http://www.smokingaloud.com/money.html

Teh OOBER MONIES are good too. Ban smoking, ban all that ****ing cash flow, too.


Now then, after smoking is illegalized, if it is, whos to say it wont be grown illegally? Ever here of this plant called "marijuana"? It used to be legal. Now it isnt. But is it still smoked? Yeah.


Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-12-12 at 20:24:36

Make cigarettes easier to get, and deadlier. And legalize every other toxic/addictive substance available. Let the idiots fark themselves up and die.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-12-12 at 20:27:36
Seriously though, if idiots decide to smoke, they are accepting the consequences. Besides, not all smokers really even smoke. My grandmother "smokes". She doesent even inhale the **** though, she just blows the smoke out and smokes a tiny bit at a time. A quarter a cigarette not really even smoked a day.

Oh, did I mention that TEN PERCENT OF THOSE 46 MILLION SMOKERS DONT EVEN GET REALLY HOOKED?

That's almost 5 million people not exactly addicted to smokes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-12-12 at 20:35:03

Which is why they need to be more addictive. And deadlier.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-12 at 23:00:58
You two are fooles.

Ever heard of experimenting? fark, I tried a cig once and guess what? I got a buzz! Omfg! But I said: fark this shiz. I'd rather take two hit's of some chron and be stoned for six hours straight, instead of getting a 10 second buzz.

And plus: It's not their fault they like the high from the nicotine.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-12 at 23:01:01
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Make cigarettes easier to get, and deadlier. And legalize every other toxic/addictive substance available. Let the idiots fark themselves up and die.


um... that would be bad. ever hear of second hand smoke?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-12-12 at 23:03:58
See my post on drugs I have taken. Tobacco was definately one of the worst as far as harmful effects and addictiveness.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rogue_Rebel on 2005-12-12 at 23:10:08
everyrising prices will hopefully lead to less smokers because of the cost. or all the smokers who steal all get sent to jail...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-12-13 at 00:25:57
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-13 at 00:56:07
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everyrising prices will hopefully lead to less smokers because of the cost. or all the smokers who steal all get sent to jail...


uh.. i think this is a bad idea... tobbacco is a very addicting drug. addiction makes people do stuff they wouldnt usually do. if they run outta money they will steal. and we cannot lock up the millions of smokers.

i think the best way to get rid of tobacco is to reduce the amount of it in the tobbacco over the years. this will hopefully get people less addicted to a point where they can quit without any hassle. the only problem is that the tobbaco companies want more money and there is no law against the addiction. so hats off to the government and the economy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-12-13 at 06:08:04
Most Nicotine in a cigarette doesn't actually get aborbed because most is burnt away. However nicotine actually causes both a strong chemical (physical) and psychological dependence. The physical need of a nicotine is created from constand abuse, that will lead to it being a need like food and water.The pyschological side is that smoking becomes a habit, and becomes a 'friend' that is dominant in your life and is with you with everything you do. When you wake up you might light a cigarrette, when you're watching tele you might take a puff too. You might also be psychologically dependent/addicted to the effect, such as increased alertness, activity, or the relaxation it gives you.

Also, tobacco contains lead-210 and polonium-210 which emmits alpha and beta particles that can get stuck into the smoker's lungs and disturb natural airflow. They can also penetrate the skin doing damage to cells. The amount of these radioactive substances in tobacco depends on the soil the tobacco plant is grown in. Thanks to the US which uses apatite as it's fertiliser which starves the plant for nitrogen (giving it more flavor), now the tobacco from US tobacco plants also contains radium and contains five times more radioactive particles than most of those in Asia smile.gif

Edit: Repeated alertness twice in first paragraph.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-13 at 10:00:22
They need to make non-harmful nicotine substances, like the patches, or something you can actively show off, gum or wristbands. The problem with nicotine, other than being physically addictive, and also stated befor by screwed, is that people want to smoke, it becomes a habit. The nicotine gives them a calming buzz, as Kelly mentioned. The point is not to get stoned, but to relieve stress. My friend was addicted to it. She used it as a substitute for cutting her wrists (I know, I know). I tried to get her to quit both, but it was like pulling teeth to get her to stop both. I'm pretty sure she's trying to quit, but she was definantly addicted.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-13 at 10:37:06
I'm not a big fan of "drugs" of any kind, although that is hypocritical because I took ritillin willingly, but thats beside the point.
My father and mother smoke very oftenly, most of the time near my baby sister, who is two years old.
Soon enough she and I will suffer second hand smoke and we'll die early sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-13 at 15:22:38
QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Dec 13 2005, 08:37 AM)
I'm not a big fan of "drugs" of any kind, although that is hypocritical because I took ritillin willingly, but thats beside the point.
My father and mother smoke very oftenly, most of the time near my baby sister, who is two years old.
Soon enough she and I will suffer second hand smoke and we'll die early sad.gif
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Is my 29 year old sister dead?
Is my 24 year old brother dead?
Am I dead?

BOTH my parents smoke, and smoked around me and my other siblings, but we aren't dead, now are we??
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-13 at 17:48:53
Die earlier*
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D)s-202 on 2005-12-13 at 17:53:25
im not sure if this is true so dont flame etc. I heard that smoking a pack of cigar/cigaret takes 7 years off yur life or something like that forgot most of it biggrin.gif ohmy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-13 at 17:57:51
It isn't true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-13 at 18:01:53
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Die earlier*
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You do realise that your lungs regenrate, don't you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-13 at 18:24:00
Are you suggesting that consistant exposure to second hand smoke is not harmful and doesn't end up being fatal?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-13 at 19:03:06
whatever the matter the fact is is that smoking is bad for you and second hand smoke is dangerous too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-12-13 at 20:02:58
I honestly think they need to make a replacement for cigarettes.

Maybe use something else other than tobacco. Something perhaps, healthier or safer to use, but give off the same pleasure. That would be great... in a way
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-13 at 22:22:27
i dont think there is a drug that doesnt do any harm to you in the longrun... too bad...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-12-13 at 22:29:15
QUOTE(Kellimoose @ Dec 13 2005, 03:22 PM)
Is my 29 year old sister dead?
Is my 24 year old brother dead?
Am I dead?
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But wait until they get lung cancer at 60.

Cigarettes dont guarantee that they kill everyone, but they do kill some. Why take a risk?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-13 at 23:10:16
Seriously, what is so good about smoking?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-12-13 at 23:12:16
QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Dec 13 2005, 11:10 PM)
Seriously, what is so good about smoking?
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Although I don't smoke, I love to draw characters smoking. It can be a very effective image to see characters in movies, comics, or whatever. The image just has a feel that I like. But I'm never gonna start smoking, myself.
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