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I was doing a debate on either keeping Columbus Day a holiday or banning it. I personally lean more towards the idea that he is a villain. I did a little research on him and said he wasnt the first, killed many Indians, and slaved them. I mean... I thought he was actually good. Sure, Im not saying he did not discover America, but he killed too many people when he could have done it in a peaceful way. I would understand if he just took land from them and gave em back to them, but he killed people. That should have been a bad crime there. I really want to know what other people thnks of this contraversial topic.

He didn't do any of the killing, he just pointed us there.

The real villan of the Americas, is Hernando Cortes -_-

He killed off the Aztecs...... Much worse then a few deaths caused by Columbus, or the diseases he brought... -_-



Explain how you come to that conclusion -_-

Columbus massacred/enslaved/tortured thousands of tribes men. He was under direct orders. Now lets think about it in this way, MAYBE it was the only way?

It wasn't the only way. The reason he did all of that is because he was greedy. He thought there was gold; he demanded the people to look for gold. Massive amounts that were beyond reason.

Anyone who didn't were killed; too bad for him, that leads to just about everyone.

People give Columbus way too much credit. He's a person who got lucky; extremely stubborn, and, in my point of view, rather stupid.

Chris, from whom were the orders from and why?

Christopher indirectly caused the death of many people, and so did the revolutionary war, both of them helped create our country, only one of these events is considered patriotic.



He never led any wars, he just found America, causing the Spanish and the British to pwn it.



Technically he didn't do much damage compared to other events in history, the only difference is that we would have slightly more diverse culture.

Columbus never made it to America, he made it to Cuba.

Christopher Columbus's only crime is bringing the pigeons.

he isnt a hero nor villan. he is simply a figure in history.

the conquistadors killed millions of native peoples but it was not only the spanish. the british, germans, french, americans and several other countries killed many of native peoples.

many of these people are considered to be heroes but to others they may seem to be villans.

in my opinion there are no heroes at all. it is a word that is overused in our society today. heroes are suppose to be perfect unfortunately there are no perfect humans.

I just learned this in history and I believe it was Queen Isabella of Spain who ordered him, but I could be wrong. Remember this, they wanted to find gold in this new land, once found they would harvest and bring it back to Spain, where as then they would be rewarded, I believe Columbus would have been granted Admiral of the Sea or something to that extent.

Columbus didn't find very much gold I believe, but he did practically destory an island population.

Any suggestions about this?

My mom is over half Native American and her father was a full blood, so I've heard some opinions on this. But the most interesting one I heard was the belief that the white man coming to America was a punishment from God (often referred to as "Grandfather") for their inabiltiy to get along with eachother. As you know, a lot of the tribes were at war with one another. I'd never heard it put that way before. I side more with the whole "Christopher C. was a murder" viewpoint than the other one, but I believe everything happens for a reason. Therefore, I don't get too upset by people who think he's a hero.

thats very interesting doodan

wasnt another motive to get to the fountain of youth or was that after columbuses time?

You may be thinking of what's generally referred to as the "Spirit Dance." That was after the Civil War. They were trying to create a dance that would purge (well, cleanse) the world of white people.

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They had reservations.

look what they get now! they had 6.8 BILLION acred before Spanish caused havoc in this world. The rightful owners of this land do not get anything besides couple little reservs throughout the country. And I think that is a robbery!

About the Fountain of Youth, that was before Columbus. It was an expedition led into Florida, led by the Spanish, in search of the Fountain of Youth. I'm pretty sure everybody died.

Correct, it was led by spanish conquistadors.
Too bad they didn't find it. ;D

A little history lesson for you all.

Christopher Columbas was only looking for a passage into India via sea by traveling west. During his first expedition, he encountered peacefull indians called the Taínos which told him stories of another group of indians called the Caribs which were canibals. When he returned with news of success, his new orders were to keep exploring. Columbus never founded one settlement except for "La Natividad" in La Hispaniola in 1492. Almost all of the people killed by Columbus' expedition were caused by small battles with the indians.
There were no settlements nor plantations during that time, so there were no slaves.

Columbus was an explorer but not a Conqueror.

I'm named after that guy. Represent.

As someone else said before, cortez was a lot worse than columbus. Cortez makes Columbus seem like a sweet innocent school girl.

Yes BeeR Keg. That is correct. But how can you justify the ultimate loss of life after series of massacres and massacres of Indians in their land? And also, did you know that Columbus captured Indians and raped female slaves and sold male slaves into the European market? They then took 8.4 BILLION acres from Indians. Now, all they have was and still is the 6.4 million acre reservation that almost no Indians live in anymore. I think that is some staggering fact for you to handle.

You should. He wasn't the one to discover America.


I seriously doubt he was completely full blood, just like 'African American' people aren't full African.



They claimed that land could not be owned, so technically they did not own it.

I seriously doubt the validity of the dating on that. How did they date it, as I know no way to accurately date somthing like that.

Technically that is a true statement.
But, They were the rightful owner who really owned the land before Columbus and Columbus did not have any rights to claim anything. I dont even know why we celebrate for Columbus day when we can clearly see that Columbus is a terrible criminal who rapes people and kills people.

uh pro, your poll choices are completely bias. He didn't found america, so anyone who votes for hero, is looking retarded.


Congratulations... you bias, you are now part of the majority -_-