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Hey everyone, I've been here for a few months but I was busy with college and being sick shortly after joining and never got around to posting too much. I'm a new mapmaker working on my first few maps right now and I thank you all for your hospitality.

I love SC and my favorite types of maps are RP maps. SEN is the most fantastically organized map making community I have seen but there is no place for the RP here. As a result of this shortcoming, the RP genre is scattered everywhere. I have found them under the rpgs, misc, and experimental areas. High end professional map makers such as Volcove99 and Sie_sayoka publish their maps here, yet there are so many others that are worth having that aren't here.

It might seem that there would not be enough RP maps to make it worthwhile to created a RP map section yet this is not true. If such a section were to be created I myself could submit some 50 maps at least. That's a conservative estimate too.

What I'm trying to say is that RPs are not RPGs, they are are a genre large enough and advanced enough to merit distinction, and as long as they left lost among the other genre headings then they will never recieve the recognition and honor they deserve. Please reply with your thoughts. I think this is important. Thanks. ^_^

Amen to that brotha XD im sorry i had to say that.

But i must agree with rain. RPs are just as important these days as any genre.
I have seen that it is very hrd to find good and unique maps for the roleplayers and as rain said, its because there scattered through the other genres if possible it would help all rps and non rps alike to make a seperate area for rps. theres so many its hard to keep up!!!

ADDITION:
Oh come on no1 wants to join us in the revolution of the Rp!

:/ i guess but having 50 rps with tags in split genres..that would be comfusing ><
dont you think so?

Making a whole new category for the DLDB won't be easy. Sure, it can be easily created via the AdminCP in less than 5 minutes, but organizing all those maps into that category will be almost insane. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just don't expect all those maps to be in there properly. There's 3110 files in the DLDB and finding 50 or so maps isn't an easy task and a lot of those will be left where they are.

If it'll be done, the only way to move all of the RP maps in there is that if the users tell us which maps they are. From my knowledge, none of us DLDB Keepers play RP maps, meaning that we hardly know which maps to look for.

A team effort could speed it up

I'm pretty sure I would be able to find most of them, and a team effort would help alot too. It would go to make sure none were missed. As it is, there aren't yet 50 rp maps on SC.

ADDITION:
Well, with a quick scan I found these.

RPG
Neoteric Genesis RP - pg1
Rp: Age of Skorm - pg1
Rp-Volc's World Series pack - Pg2
Scious RP - pg2
RP-Ealtrong World - pg4
Rp Antiem v Woodlands - pg9

Other
RPEmphatic - pg1
Sie sayoka's Rps - pg1
RPSacredRealmForest - pg2
DG-Shadow'sTimeRP - pg3
The Present Day Roleplayer - pg4 (does this really count?)

I must have been mistaken about the experimental folder, didn't see any there. If I did miss some, they can't be in too high a number. I havn't submitted any of the Rp maps I have exactly because of this situation.

That's no where near enough for a whole section devoted to it, neither will there ever be enough, as there is not enough Rp makers. I don't see what the problem is with it fitting in with the RPGs, as they are somewhat like eachother, in the sense that rp's are like rpg's without the triggers.

It would be especially hard onsidering there's what. 1 DLDB keeper now? All you have is the global mods and FreZ to do it.

Oh nevermind, I didn't see that Rantent got the promotion. But why hasn't Merrell been taken out? He said he's leaving and I haven't seen him since.

maybe they just plain forgot to remove him -.-

i beleive the rp section would grow taking a section in the dldb as a sign of encouragement. there is definately over 50 rp maps on sc rain, u need to get out more.

look at the movie / trailers section. there is a very small amountof maps there, and yet we keep it.. for the sake of conveniance. it isnt taking up much more space, and you have members who are mre than willing to do all the find and move work for you, so whats the big deal?

i think we should get some more DLDB keepers who are going to stay on the forums. it would seem PCFredZ and the "Golden-Oldies" of SEN are doing there job great, btu theres a couple i havent seen in a long while.

You'd think anyone who gets promoted to someone of that status would stay huh?

its like they get there, realise they cant go up and say 'nothing to look forward to now'..


or maybe theyve played starcraft for so many years that better things are looking good now...

I HOPE NOT!

What is an RP? [/sarcasm]

Ive played countless rps, but really, I have no idea what they are about nor what they are for. I just join those things, make a million wraiths until the map nearly maxes and yell out "PREPARE FOR THE WRATH OF WRAITHS!" before shortly killing every unit on the map.


Rp's are similar to Rpg's. Whats so different from: RP= role playing, to RPG= role playing game. *cough*... they sound pretty similar and play pretty similar to me... role play the heck out of them both.

Overall, throw RP's into the RPG section, we don't need anymore sections in the DLDB... just use the search option okay? ty.

I don't think it should be added.

Because if we add RP's people will want to add Masses, and strange sports maps, and other strange categories. Which should just stay as 'other'

What's wrong with strange sport maps?
GgG is founded off of baseball, and it is a sports clan --;
But yeah, I think RP's are too small of a group.
I think we should put flags on maps... At least in the other catagory.

Oh My GOSH PEOPLE!!!! *shakes fist at sky and crys**** This is EXACTLY why I started this thread. Red2Blue, your bounds are the best BUT WHAT DID YOU say you did in rps? Noooooo. ok, I must calm myself and prepare to face the deluge.
*assumes instructing postion*
Now see here, there is an infinite difference between the rpg and the rp. The difference is just as vast as the difference between, say a finished feature film and the various real life locations and people who were involved in it. The truly creative mind which experiances both enjoyment and satisfaction from a well told story or well made game will often in turn try to create something of a similar nature by their own hand. Upon finishing their creations these people will want to share there work, and over time, this becomes a habit. This trait of creative humanity is the very seed which births interactive communities such as SEN. The RP is to RPGs, what Staredit is to Starcraft. Do you follow?

Now understand, in the RPG roleplaying is possible and usually, if implimented in the correct fashion, noticably increases the fun of the game. However, the actual roleplay present in most rpgs is exactly ZERO! Often to beat a roleplaying game one may simply hack and slash and not pay attention till the final boss and then... That's it. It's over.... there's nothing more. The term RPG has lost much of its original implications, which is another reason the Starcraft term RP must now be considered a genre all of its own. Within the RP the entire structure of the game is left up to the player's combined efforts. The game will be fun or suck as the players determine it. Games like the one Red2Blue mentioned are often fun if you just intend to goof off. However, this sort of thing is an abuse of the power given you by the map creators of the RP. IT IS NOT the intended purpose of the RP. For this reason, noobie rp players often ruin a good game by doing something just as idiotic as shouting "PREPARE FOR THE WRATH OF THE WRAITHS" and maxing out the ccmu....-_- NOW, don't mistake my intent here. That's Really funny if you're simply having fun without the intent of roleplaying. Such acts do not make a fun rp however.

You must understand, dispite what others might say, there are as many ways of Roleplaying as there are players. Some of the standard rules among RP players include, NO Upgrading, no massing units, if a unit is supposed to be in the water then keep it in the water. Same goes for walls and such. Just because a wraith unit can fly over a town wall because it's a flying unit, In the rp it's NOT supposed to happen therefore you shouldn't do it. The way to successfully rp is to use your common sense. Ask yourself, does what I'm about to do make any sense in this current scenario? I have known those who are ready to begin within five minutes of starting the game while others may take 2 hours or more to prepare their story. If anything, rps are most deffinatly a time consuming endeavor. However it is usually worth the effort in the end.

All you people out there argueing about this... Red2Blue says throw them in the rpgs section. Rantent says throw them in the others section. You're both proving my point for me. Rps aren't a small unimortant type of game ANYMORE... No one knows about them and their incredible potential because of attitudes like you all are showing. It is hard as all getout to find a large selection of rps on Battle.net, and now I find it is hard to find them even on the premier SC mapmaking site. I want to remedy the situation..

Massing and such ridiculous forms of mass entertainment are fun for a while, and then that while is gone. The rpg is fun only once, and maybe a few times more than that. Bounds are fun till you beat them as well... The Rp is eternal. It is different everytime you can open your mind to the possibilities.
again I want to say, Hope you all can come to share my love of the RP and if not at least appreciate the value the rp brings to the world of Starcraft. ^_^

I agree with you completely rain, im sure soon enough other major sc sites are going to include rp's in their databases, so why not us?

uh cool i was revered as a "professional" rp maker >.>

anyway yeah RPs should have its own section but sadly there isnt enough :l

i havent really been into map making lately (possibly because of SEN) but if it should help the community i guess i can pour out a couple of new RPs....

yeah... so much from retiring...

YAY, Thanks! that would be awesome sir. Sayoka!
A quick count says I have maybe 53 maps for submission. However, this number comes from a greater collection of some 100 maps. What we need to avoid is submitting multiple versions of the same map as well as steer clear of submitting lousy ones or bad mods of unprotected good ones. I'll first have to go through my collection and check which ones are which.
Take what I can submit and Add to this number the ones SEN already have on hand. This shoud be an all right beginning I think. 0_o? What do you say?

Well, within all this chaos i too want a open case to rp folders. But back then there were CHANNELS dedicated to rps and look at it today. Take town square for example. Back then it was a great rping site for any1 that loved it.but as time passed the channel just became a spam channel and a place for common chit-chat.
Maybe with a new section added to the file it'll inspire more people to rp. More life within SC. When rping was alive and fresh there was creative minds wandering b.net but now all people just wander aimlessly hopeing for something to kill. Maybe just MAYBE this section will draw attention to rps maybe regaining that honor lost. As soon as that happens the better the internet. More minds work as one to create a better future. For B.Net, maybe even for the world. But if you could plz help make this dream become a reality. theres more than enough maps to make a folder out of it. it'll take time yes i know but the time will be worth the effort. As the rich men say, the less time the more money. In this case more creative minds. Many people say stick them in RPG, some say stick them in other, but us-the creative minds that want to continue this dream- shall fight for what we believe no matter the consenquences, no matter the time!

I can tell you are good at RP'ing.



Not really, theres tons of roleplaying in a real rpg... you are probably talking about those cruddy ones you see everyday.



Why the heck is it idiotic? can I please role play the way I want to? I mean thats what its there for. To role play. Its a game, play it. Can I be a powerful dictator and mass produce massive units of mass destruction and destroy the entire land like how evil dictators should and do? Ty.




It still doesn't warrant itself a whole new opening into a brand new genre...
Its like music, theres only so many kinds, the rest are hyrbids, which easily, fit in other genres. Therefore they are. I mean, I saw some Bound Defenses and such, but they aren't as innovative enough on their own to create a new genre... Not to mention that RP is the exact same thing as RPG... roleplay yadda yadda.

If rpg is dead, why not just put RP in there to make it alive again. (I don't think rpgs are dead btw, you do).

Its hard to get anything on any sc map making site, only it has to be an insane fad to become something... look at bounds, they were barely accepted into the dldb, completely frowned upon, and massively abundant. They got into there because? Everyone in the world made them and they are intensively played with many sub-cults surrounding them; heck, asia still thinks its a fad. I can't think of a single mapper who hasn't attempted to make a bound.



Rp is not eternal. You can only think of so many things and move so many units around, eventually you get to a point where you simply carbon copy your role playing and simply change character names, events or etc. Whats so "eternal" about that. Might as well say bounds are "eternal" because you can make infinite different titles for them or etc. etc. etc.

Rpgs are fun forever. I play final fantasy rpgs over and over because I just can't get enough of that role playing interaction.

Anything can be classified as an rpg btw, shooters and racing games can also be considered rpgs. Skies the limit. Yet there is a defining feature that determines a game different from the rest. Shooters are in a different genre because... well you shoot in first person, racing is different because you drive a car. RP is different from rpg because... oh wait, there is no difference thats because it IS an rpg.






It will not add life to sc, its just not big enough. The modding community is pretty big and huge, yet it didn't really add that much life into sc. Having an rp section will do you as good as planting flowers in your backyard, who's gonna see them unless they are already in your house?

You are too openminded about this. RP will do little. Hey, I might as well think as to: "staredit.net will one day make a bounding section for the forums yes, everyone will come around the world to make bounds and everyone will hold hands and sing campfire songs which will forever raise sc to the next level." erm.



soon enough major sc sites are going to?
There has to be big reason to having rp's hosted as a new section. Not to mention the huge strain on the dldb people. Its already hectic enough to host so many maps and keep it up and functioning and working correctly. Hey, ever attempt to dl something from it and end up with the wrong file? No. Why? because the dldb people are working their butts off to make sure you get that right file in working condition. Be happy with what you got. At least sen is hosting your maps...



Why is it such a big deal to make a new forum section anyway? Is it gonna do you any harm if you just put them where they belong? In the RPG secton? Im sure you will find the maps you are looking for if you search in the rpg section.

T_T Red2Blue Hates me. And I really liked your maps, this is horrible! I must explain and hope...
First of all, thanks for your kind complement! ^_^ it means so much to me! That's really nice of you.
Second, the roleplaying in an rpg is present in many maps, just not the majority. For me the meaning of roleplay is not what alot of people define it as I suppose. Hmm, that's something to think about. But what I'm trying to say is, the actual roleplaying element in many games, not just on SC has become something else entirely. My first rpgs were on the playstation and were wonderful experiences, but they were nothing like what I would later discover. Many RPGs of today are almost like cinematic experiences, hence my earlier comparison. You begin in a location, you proceed over obstacles, you defeat your enemy, you succeed or you don't. It is all predetermined. It may seem like you have many choices within the game but in the end the final battle is always the same. You will always have to defeat Sephiroth, you will always batte Ultimacea, the 13 wisemen are always waiting for you at the final tower. (I make probable vague ref. to FF and StarOcean series here) These "Rpgs" are fantastic interactive cinematic experiences, as are the more interesting of the SC RPGs like Fate and Destiny and Everarcha RPG. However the difference between these set destinies and the ever open possibilities of the RP are what give me the highest satisfaction and pleasure. The absence of computer preset events and the chaotic unpredictiability of actual human interaction is the lure of the rp as it is the lure of online melee when compared to single player campaign. In the traditional rpg you fight alone through a vast and complicated story till the eventual end. In some cases you may even have the added enjoyment of fellow players, and so the online rpg is born. What is not covered by any of these "rpg" bases is the Total Story experience. The total story experience, a term I only just made up, think of yourself and a friend. Both of you together take a blank plane, An empty canvas, and you begin to paint a beautiful picture together. This is what the rp map really and truly is when all is said and done. It's you making up everything from the story to the battle system to the layout of the land as well as the time you spend playing. I remember playing StarOcean 3 and having so many premonitions of the possibilities awaiting me at the game's end. Yet when I finally got there I was severely disapointed. The second half of the game did not measure up to the first part. And what's this about rpgs being dead? They're far from dead. I didn't say they were in the first place, All I'm saying is that They're different than the RP.

The reason shouting "PREPARE for ..." is idiotic is because for one, it maxes out the ccmu which screws up everyone else's attempts to play till the units are dead. Two, you are presumably not by yourself when you rp. No matter how you intend to rp you must always take other's ideas and feelings into account during your game. How is it fair to spawn 130 wraiths for yourself and take them to wipe out a very pretty city another player took an hour to create? As you say It IS a game, and the game will be NO fun for everyone else if you ignore rules and other players feelings. On a lighter note, If you noticed, I also said in my other post that there are as many ways of playing as there are players. In the second best game I ever played no one payed any attention to standard rules of thumb and everything worked out more than fine. It was beyond fantastic! If you want to play a dictator, then do so and have fun, but while you're playing do so realisticly and fairly. No matter how powerful you concieve your rp character it is no fun for anyone else to face a fool who's got no weakness. There is no chance and so there is not much point in playing out the situation.

Next thing, you say that there is not enough reason to make it into its own genre. I've been trying to give my reasons why it is a separate genre. I didn't initially mind if it was in the rpg section but hey, they were in the other section as well. RPs AREN'T rps. Doesn't that Prove it? Clear up the confusion and create a separate RP area seems the smartest move. Also, don't try to make me feel bad or thankful for what I have or guilt me out or anything about the DLDB people. This is an idea, a proposal. I believe this is a good idea. The RP collective here is in chaos and I am recognizing that problem. If SEN didn't want me to say this then THERE SHOULDN'T be a forum entitled WEBSITE FEEDBACK SHOULD THERE???? Good grief.... -_- I am interested in Roleplaying and Rps I derive the most enjoyment off SC from RPing and mapmaking with my friends. SO all these things considered is it Such a problem to you that I start talking to you and others about what I like?

ARG I just deleted a paragraph... -_-
ok let me see, what was I saying...Right.
Infinity in place of eternity. Forgive my flawed word choice from earlier. What I'm trying to say is that the possibilities of the RP as compared to the possibilities of the RPG or any other map is the same as the possibilities of a finished masterpiece as compared to a blank canvas with a few buckets of paint and 12 nice brushes on the side. The different rp maps are the different shades of color one might use. Do you follow?

Now finally i will address the thing you said that pisses me off the most. REALLY c'mon, OF course it doesn't HURT ME. what's your problem. You say does it do me any harm to put them where they belong? in the RPG section. WELL some people don't think that's where they belong else Why would there be RPs in the Other section. WHY? I already spoke on this a bit earlier so I won't go on for now but seriously why do you have to say mean things like that? It hurts my feelings. We're just discussing a possible improvement to SEN. Does it HURT you so much that we're doing that? I want to be your friend but with such unfriendly words as you say, I'm afraid. Can we make up? T_T

wow nice speech rain.

anyway the basic thing is that RPs should not considered to be RPGs because RPGs have a pre-determined storyline whereas in RPs there are infinite possibilites. In RPs you basically create your own storyline with other players.

also once and RPG is beat there is nothing much you can do that is differnt. in RPs there are infinite possibilites(did i just say that twice?) anyway this is where RPs go further than any game. there is no victory or defeat in it but it is fun no matter how many times you play it.

I guess you don't know me to well. Im a friendly person. I don't make enemys intentionally and I don't have any enemys, theres no point to them. I don't hate you, nor do I plan to hate you. There has to be a negative for every positive. Im just showing both sides. Sure rp may be contrasting to rpg, but rp can definitely be a branch to the rpg. Denying that it rp is not an rpg is denying its existance. Why not set rp as a branch instead of a whole new genre on its own?

People always say things that hurt others. I understand that, but that is life. Things can't always be pretty and perfect. Live on!





The only reason why I say rp should not have its own genre is because of what it is. It is merely a tool used to make stories. Its not actually a game on its own. It doesn't run on its own. It has no victory or defeat unless the player determines its victory or defeat. Its just... a tool. A blueprint for what can become. Rpgs and such are polished games that have a definite beginning and finish. This is why they have a genre, this is why they are something instead of a part of something. Tools to create something, (rps make rpg stories), are merely set within itself (like: the rpg section). I mean bounds by ratent didn't get its own section. It made bound obs like rps makes rpgs. By saying rps should get their own genre, is like saying bounds by ratent should get its own genre as well. Its just pointless to split it up. Keep it together.





Sen does want you to say this, but sen does not want you to cry when things don't go your way.

Is it such a problem that I can't rebute your points on this situation? It IS a discussion after all. Your points can't always be the correct choice or thought.





it doesn't skrew everyone else. I was only using that as a humorus joke. I usually only make 3 fleets of them and I only make scouts (wraiths blow). God had no weaknesses, what about him? Is he playing fair? Life isn't fair you know...




I guess so...






Then... in other words, an RP is really an rpg tool. Tadah! done! *throws RP's into the RPG section.




Im sorry, I responded to your post backwards (please use quotes so I know which part you are referring to).

Within my own personal map filing system I have a Roleplaying section which is subdivided into the categories of RPG/DnD/RP These are the what I consider to be the current 3 forms of SC Roleplaying. The Rpg is as I have said it is. The Dnd style map gives a Dungeon master ultimate power over the game and the responsibility to make things fun that goes along with that power. The Rp takes things all the way and gives every player this kind of power to wield and use as they will. This separation of SC rpg map types are what I base my ideas on to a degree.

okays, live on. My life is far from perfect but I do so love to live as if it was perfect. How else can I? It's good to be your friend then.

Another good idea.

From my point of view, from the view of my own file system, the rp is separate from the rpg. But as you point out here, they are the same. Good point. It is an rpg tool. I had not thought of it just like that. I considered it as close to playing while mapmaking as yet possible on SC. The same thing from another view.

I'm not that way. I'm just trying to get people to take me seriously that rps are important enough. If nothing ever came of this than it wouldn't bother me since I know you at least gave it some thought.

It was a funny joke. I laughed. But c'mon man I don't give a flip whether or not life isn't fair. If someone isn't fair then I tell them what's what. In real life I deal with it. In a game I leave if they don't fix up their act. Being cheap and saying life isn't fair so it's all ok does't cut it for me. I know life isn't fair and I'm not going to cry because I don't get my way. This is what I meant last post. I'm not a child, you don't have to say lame things like that too me.
Hey I used quotes just for you! ^_^