Report, edit, etc...Posted by petphot on 2005-12-19 at 09:35:06
Me myself i think that the bible is a hoax (a very old one), some people even back then, had mental problems, or religious fever.
Waht do u think?
poll results will be quite interesting...
Waht do u think?
poll results will be quite interesting...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2005-12-19 at 10:17:26
I don't think it is. There are too many historical records that coincide with accounts contained within the Bible. Mainly, records kept by the different Meso-American nations that overran Jerusalem. Right now, I don't remember the exact times, but I know that there are some which are there. But, that is looking at the Bible as just a historical record.
Another thing that I realized that helps me believe it isn't a hoax - Back in the time period covered by the Bible(about 6000 B.C - around 400 B.C(OT) and around 2 B.C to about A.D 80(NT)), the amount of time that people would have had to focus on religion should be less then we have now. Modern convenience has allowed for people to have more and more time for leisure, and less hard working time. Yet, despite lack of time, there was still enough for many different people at different times to write a book that is as fairly cohesive as the Bible is.
Why I think the Bible could be considered a hoax - a proverbial Telephone game. In the sense, things that were obvoius originally could have been slightly altered. The Bible was compiled and translated several times. And, as humans, those who translated are bound to make a few mistakes, with such a large text to translate.
Another thing that I realized that helps me believe it isn't a hoax - Back in the time period covered by the Bible(about 6000 B.C - around 400 B.C(OT) and around 2 B.C to about A.D 80(NT)), the amount of time that people would have had to focus on religion should be less then we have now. Modern convenience has allowed for people to have more and more time for leisure, and less hard working time. Yet, despite lack of time, there was still enough for many different people at different times to write a book that is as fairly cohesive as the Bible is.
Why I think the Bible could be considered a hoax - a proverbial Telephone game. In the sense, things that were obvoius originally could have been slightly altered. The Bible was compiled and translated several times. And, as humans, those who translated are bound to make a few mistakes, with such a large text to translate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by petphot on 2005-12-19 at 10:31:38
very good point
now i cant make up my mind...
now i cant make up my mind...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-12-19 at 10:36:54
There is always the point that maybe it isn't MEANT to be taken literally, and it is just a bunch of good morals/stories.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by petphot on 2005-12-19 at 11:04:56
... lost me
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2005-12-19 at 11:16:30
Well, I guess whether or not you view the Bible as literal is your choice. I think the most important thing is applying the values and teachings. I can't think of anything that is taught in reading the Bible that isn't, overall, good.(No, I haven't read all of it, but I have read a good part)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-19 at 12:18:19
You know, if people of SeN could've proved the bible wrong, then couldn't scientists and all those nerds proved it wrong first? But no, it hasn't been proved wrong. So, no hoax.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-19 at 12:44:56
Like I've said before.
Greek Mythology is the same as the Bible. A bunch of stories that teach morals and ethics.
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Which really don't seem to be followed much anymore, which is sad.
Greek Mythology is the same as the Bible. A bunch of stories that teach morals and ethics.
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Which really don't seem to be followed much anymore, which is sad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-19 at 13:06:07
well for one thing greek mythology isnt as complex and orginized as the bible. the second would be if the greek gods actually existed they would preserve thier own religion.
judaism is one of the oldest religions in the world. and it still survives today. i think that hinduism has only been along side it with age.
i have been thinking about this for a while and i have come to the conclusion that Jesus did preform miracles. he showed the masses his healing powers. now if the deciples writings were wrong surely someone would of stepped forth and disagreed.
another thing as deciple of adun said was that there are many historical refferences. such as the great flood described by sumerian, chinese, indian, and many various other cultures. there is also records of the hebrews leaving egypt and the 10 plauges. and several accounted battles and wars.
some people believe that the bible is 100% fake which is very ignorant.
judaism is one of the oldest religions in the world. and it still survives today. i think that hinduism has only been along side it with age.
i have been thinking about this for a while and i have come to the conclusion that Jesus did preform miracles. he showed the masses his healing powers. now if the deciples writings were wrong surely someone would of stepped forth and disagreed.
another thing as deciple of adun said was that there are many historical refferences. such as the great flood described by sumerian, chinese, indian, and many various other cultures. there is also records of the hebrews leaving egypt and the 10 plauges. and several accounted battles and wars.
some people believe that the bible is 100% fake which is very ignorant.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-19 at 13:29:31
It's not possible that the entire world was flooded. There would be far too much evidence, and there is little.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-19 at 13:37:47
then why in several cultures around the world was there a great flood with almost the exact same story?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-19 at 13:39:08
It doesn't matter. Where is the GEOLOGICAL proof that the world was flooded?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-12-19 at 14:00:58
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then why in several cultures around the world was there a great flood with almost the exact same story?
Appeal to population. A lot of people saying the samething doesn't make it true. Otherwise, the earth would still be flat.
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some people believe that the bible is 100% fake which is very ignorant.
This is probably true, but you left out the more important part. The people who beleive it to be 100% true believe evolution books to be 100% false, which is even more ignorant considering the evidence. (Don't turn this into evolution debate seriously)
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now if the deciples writings were wrong surely someone would of stepped forth and disagreed.
Tons of people have already stepped out. Many people choose to close their minds to these people so they do not shatter their faith.
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the second would be if the greek gods actually existed they would preserve thier own religion.
How do you preserve a "modern" religion of we say every single human died except 50 babies who took care of themselves to maturity, and all evidence pointing to any religion were destroyed?
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You know, if people of SeN could've proved the bible wrong, then couldn't scientists and all those nerds proved it wrong first? But no, it hasn't been proved wrong. So, no hoax.
True until the last portion. If it hasn't been "disproved" (partially) yet, that doesn't mean it won't later. Once again, I go to my flat-earth analogy. It wasn't until centuries before someone finally came forward and proved that the earth was not flat.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-19 at 14:16:57
While I do not believe it is true, the bible is NOT a hoax. I do not think those who wrote it were intentionally trying to hoodwink the rest of their people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2005-12-19 at 15:37:38
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Dec 19 2005, 01:00 PM)
This is probably true, but you left out the more important part. The people who beleive it to be 100% true believe evolution books to be 100% false, which is even more ignorant considering the evidence. (Don't turn this into evolution debate seriously)
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I think that's only true for those who decide to interpret the Bible as literal as possible. Personally, I don't think everything in the Bible is exactly literal. But that doesn't mean that it isn't true. For me, it means that I can't/don't understand what was meant.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-19 at 16:12:41
I believe god was created as a pawn of the upper class to control the majority of people and at the same time make a profit. Religion is still one of the worlds largest money makers. In my opinion, judaism will outlive christianity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by petphot on 2005-12-19 at 16:18:04
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I believe god was created as a pawn of the upper class to control the majority of people and at the same time make a profit. Religion is still one of the worlds largest money makers. In my opinion, judaism will outlive christianity.
I agree!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by VizuaL on 2005-12-19 at 16:29:24
My family is catholic, but yes, i think it is, back 3000 years ago there was crime, rape, death, murder, and bad doings. A group of people devised a plan to stop this, the bible, they wrote it to scare people into bad doing, and make people do good, doing good = a reward heaven, a place where u can have anything you want, do bad = hell, life of everlasting pain and suffering. so they made up a unique story with god, his son jesus, etc. i beleive its a hoax, but im not sure, well thers my 14 year old opinion, im really at a agnostic state at the moment, 
well, thats all i got,
--Vizual
well, thats all i got,--Vizual
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-12-19 at 16:41:39
Not a hoax.
Scientists have found evidence of a flood actually occurring around that time. They also found evidence of the Red Sea being drained back when Moses parted the Sea.
I believe evolution to be true. Just not the part that proposes us humans to have evolved from little cells to monkeys to humans.
Religion will outlast atheism. Atheists are slowly converting to monster spaghettiism.
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It's not possible that the entire world was flooded. There would be far too much evidence, and there is little.
Scientists have found evidence of a flood actually occurring around that time. They also found evidence of the Red Sea being drained back when Moses parted the Sea.
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his is probably true, but you left out the more important part. The people who beleive it to be 100% true believe evolution books to be 100% false, which is even more ignorant considering the evidence. (Don't turn this into evolution debate seriously)
I believe evolution to be true. Just not the part that proposes us humans to have evolved from little cells to monkeys to humans.
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In my opinion, judaism will outlive christianity.
Religion will outlast atheism. Atheists are slowly converting to monster spaghettiism.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-12-19 at 16:53:18
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Scientists have found evidence of a flood actually occurring around that time. They also found evidence of the Red Sea being drained back when Moses parted the Sea.
This is one of those things where you need to provide source. I have read "evidence" on the flood which later turned out to be false or jokes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-19 at 17:26:17
Exactly, I need a source of that proof, Mil.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by VizuaL on 2005-12-19 at 18:13:55
u guys are retards, that story was made up, there was never a 'flood'. it was a story, dont take everything from the bible seriously. Some guy a while back said that there was a dinosaur on Noah's Arc, wat is the world coming to?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-12-19 at 18:15:48
Most stories are made from actual events. There probably was a flood, but it wasn't global and it wasn't caused by a vengeful god. The storytelling part of it developed into more extravogant tales.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-12-19 at 18:19:42
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It's not possible that the entire world was flooded. There would be far too much evidence, and there is little.
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Our government is very retarded and hides most evidence of that the flood is true. My grandpa's friend which is a miner found an evidence but the government filled it up and destroyed the mining area.
Some evidence leak out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-19 at 18:21:37
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Our government is very retarded and hides most evidence of that the flood is true. My grandpa's friend which is a miner found an evidence but the government filled it up and destroyed the mining area.
Some evidence leak out.
Some evidence leak out.
LMFAOROFL!!!
Conspiricists are funny.