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Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-12-22 at 15:09:59
Uhhh... so much talk about God and heaven, choices and religion, garbage upon garbage; useless questions, that if were answered, would have no impact of life or the way you lived. That is what I define philosophy as.
philosophy the branch of knowledge or academic study devoted to the systematic examination of basic concepts such as truth, existence, reality, causality, and freedom (Real definition. See, I'm not ignorant smile.gif ).

I am very apathetic. I don’t care about a lot of things. Some examples of my opinions:
- Does God exist? "Why do you care so much? Wouldn't affect me if there was or if there wasn't. I would still live my life exactly the way I am if I found out. (I might not use the Lord's name in vain but that’s about it). How would this actually, personally, affect you if you found out God didn't exist (think logically.)?"

- What happens when you die? "Who cares? You're dead. If there's a heaven and a hell, you go there. So if you want, be a good person (just in case)."

- How was the universe created? "How the hell are we gonna figure that out? I bet humans, at least in this stage of evolution, couldn't figure it out. Ever. Mathematics is pretty close, but it’s still got a lot of holes that need to be filled."

- George Bush is an ass. "That’s your opinion. Glad you have one."

- Whats the meaning of life? "Omg. Why do we need to know this? We have lived all this time without knowing it, and still don’t know it, and we are doing just fine. What if there is NO meaning of life? What would you do? What if we were all just random accidents of mathematics? Would you really care that much?

I guess, while typing this and reflecting, I have come up with a conclusion:
Philosophy isn't meant to be answered. They are questions posed to make you think and expand your mind. People who try to answer questions that cannot be answered are like children sticking their fingers in Chinese handcuffs, not quite knowing what they got themselves into. What you should really be asking yourselves is how this would affect YOU if the questions were answered.

I ask you to ask me questions of life and philosophy, and I will (I stress I can answer pretty much anything due to my apathy, but there may be a question I wont be able to answer) answer them. You will usually find that if your questions were actually answered, nothing would be accomplished.

Just to leave you with one of the most stupid question I think exists:
"Are you glad you are alive?"

(I know I'm sort of pushing my opinion on you, but I dont mean to be so aggresive, its just the way I express this to everyone I explain it to).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-12-22 at 16:09:06
Lol I'm apathetic too. How's this for a question, How does the universe exist? Where and when did it begin to exist? How did other things such as matter, which as far as we know does not just appear come to exist? That's all I got smile.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-12-22 at 18:16:24
Universe is about 14 billion years old (give or take a billion years). Matter was created with the universe's creation, which we dont know how was created.
Again. There is no point to your question. We probably wont ever know (or at least not at this stage of our existance). The better question is:

What could we do with the information if we knew where the universe came from and how everthing was created?

Still, even that question is almost useless because we probably couldn't do anything with that information anyways. Are you starting to see how most "profound" and "mind-boggling" questions are literally useless? Lol bleh.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-12-22 at 21:31:28
Actually if we knew how to reproduce something similar to the universe forming we could create matter ourselves and have more resources to work with. So HAH! I never really thought mind-boggling questions were useful, I just like to think about them when I'm bored to boggle myself smile.gif. 14 billion years old?? I don't think so...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-22 at 21:33:56
why do i think that this post doesnt directly answer the question making you seem wise?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-12-22 at 21:36:53
Because it doesn't lol. He's trying to sound smart, but he's seeming like a jack ass who thinks he knows it all to me. I prefer not say that stuff though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-12-23 at 00:15:33
No, im not trying to sound like a stupid doo doo head. The universe is about 14 billions years old. If you read any book about the universe you will find the ages ranging from 13 billion years to 15 billions years. This is an actuall scientific fact.
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Actually if we knew how to reproduce something similar to the universe forming we could create matter ourselves and have more resources to work with
I'm not quite sure you realize the extreme amount of energy it would require to CREATE matter (let alone reproduce the creation of the universe).

I only post topics about things I know about and understand. I'm not some stupid doo doo head who decided to share my crazy ideas. I've thought this through a lot. It makes sense. I'm not trying to sound smart or wise. It just makes sense.

And seriously, think of some application of knowing how the universe was created. (We will be able to expand our mathamatical knowlage. Thats not really an application though.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-23 at 06:57:55
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Dec 22 2005, 10:15 PM)
No, im not trying to sound like a stupid doo doo head.  The universe is about 14 billions years old.  If you read any book about the universe you will find the ages ranging from 13 billion years to 15 billions years.  This is an actuall scientific fact.
  I'm not quite sure you realize the extreme amount of energy it would require to CREATE matter (let alone reproduce the creation of the universe).

I only post topics about things I know about and understand.  I'm not some stupid doo doo head who decided to share my crazy ideas.  I've thought this through a lot.  It makes sense.  I'm not trying to sound smart or wise.  It just makes sense.

And seriously, think of some application of knowing how the universe was created.  (We will be able to expand our mathamatical knowlage.  Thats not really an application though.)
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So you're calling me a stupid doo doo head because I come up with some crazyzyzyzyzyzy imaginative shiz? cry.gif

Anyways. I'm glad you could throw this out dude *Thumbs up* It's about time someone says shiz that's inside my head.

Oh! P.S. "Matter cannot be created, nor destroyed"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-23 at 16:31:43
If you were really full of apathy, you wouldn't even be here. Unless you were like the one philiosopher, forgot his name. He basically convinced some people to kill themselves because life is not worth living. And when asked why he didn't kill himself, he said he had the burden of responsibility to spread the word.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-12-23 at 17:02:14
Sounds pretty depressing.

Anyway, I'm not apathetic about some things. What goes on in our daily lives I could really care less about. But philosophical things I care a lot about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-12-30 at 13:44:14
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If you were really full of apathy, you wouldn't even be here. Unless you were like the one philiosopher, forgot his name. He basically convinced some people to kill themselves because life is not worth living. And when asked why he didn't kill himself, he said he had the burden of responsibility to spread the word.
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Heeeeey i remember making that on these forums a while ago! biggrin.gif I had a different approach though, but in the end I realized that I had no right to make the conclusion that to be dead is better than not being dead; only that death and non-death are equal. You can pm me about it if you want.


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If you really full of apathy..
Great quote there. If you were really full of apathy Dark, when someone said you were about to walk into a pole you would say "whatever"....WHAM!

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Uhhh... so much talk about God and heaven, choices and religion, garbage upon garbage; useless questions, that if were answered, would have no impact of life or the way you lived. That is what I define philosophy as.
I do agree that there are some questions that people wouldn't care about, but on the contrary, they would more impact your life than you think. Take science for example. Who actually CARES that plants use photosynthesis? Botanists do. Who gives a rip that hemoglobin is the pigment that makes blood red? Crime investigators do; they can use a special chemical that reacts with hemoglobin to see blood usually too small for the human eye to see.

Every subject, i mean EVERY SUBJECT, can have an impact on your life. I'm not saying every subject will; i'm saying that given the situation every one can. Take Philosophy for example. Philosophy is the answering of questions that cannot be supposedly answered with empirical (tangible) data. (This is probably why Philosophy and Psychology get mixed up.. they're both mind games.) This is does not mean that Philosphy is illogical, on the contrary is is based fully upon logic. In any case, questions about Philosophy are such as "why am i here" and "What is the meaning of truth". If you found the answer to why we are supposed to be here, it would affect your life. Now i'm not saying if some professor told you "this is the meaning of life" and you don't give a rip, but if you FOUND the answer to the meaning of life; finding an answer yourself makes a profound effect. Surely you would not be so callous and uncaring to your precious conclusion you have found.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-30 at 20:58:41
There is no resolving the argument because it's soley based on your personal tastes.

Person #1: Life is worth living.
Person #2: I agree, I don't want to die.
Person #3: Same here.
Person #4: Me too
Person #5: Well, duh. Of course I don't want to die.
Person #6: Amen.
Person #7: I hate life and everything in it. I wish it would just go away.

Closest thing to do a win you can possibly have, is that life is worth winning soley because more people would say it is. Like I said, it's all your personal taste. It's kinda like debating about music or what is the best food, you're gonna get no way where with it.
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