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We all know that the government has to keeps it's people under control.

But, is there such thing as too much?

An interesting topic. And of you who have read or watched "Farenheiht 451" or "Equilibrium" will know what I mean.

For those who don't, Farenheiht 451 is a book in which the governemt stops people from reading any books, for fear that the knowledge will cause things to happen. Books found are burned, and sometimes so are the owners. A fireman (Who ironically start fires instead of putting them out) named Gui Montag (Yes, same name as the SC firebat) is moved to stop this and start reading. It goes from there.

Equilibrium is similar story, although mor emodernized. The government uses drugs to stop people from feeling. Anything found that makes them, eg. books, animals, anything, is removed and the owners incinerated. A cleric, who upholds the law, is interested after his former parter does the same, and is killed. Goes from there.

So, this is where the topic comes in. If we can feel nothing, will this stop us from war? Would it make everything peaceful, at the expense of our freedom?

And how many of you would let this happen? Would you let a completely totalitarian fascist government strip all your freedoms to protect the peace?

Would you let humanity become a crime?

Also, what is our life if stripped of it's humanity? Would it even really help? Is what we feel our ultimate destruction?

Your thoughts.
PS: Sorry for any mistakes in there, I'll correct them later, don't have my contacts in
And if you haven't read or seen these films/books, you should. They're good.
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If a government was radically moving in the direction to stop my free will, then yes I would go Cleric on them and fark some people up.

1984 for teh win! George Orwell had a vision of the path this world is taking.

You see, in 1984, people thing everything ok, think that what the government is doing is for the better cause. Hmm Denying their freedoms, which they think is going to help them be more "secure". Sounds alot like America today doesn't it? I'm not saying everything in that book is happening now, but if we keep taking this path, it can and most likely will.

These are from WorldcantWait.org, which I STRONGLY encourage each and every one of you to read through.
Also check this site, which is listed at WCW.
http://www.nion.us/NSOC/NION2wsigninfo.htm

"The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come."

It is our responsibility to stop the Bush regime from carrying out this disastrous course. We believe history will judge us sharply should we fail to act decisively.

"Q: In your Call you compare Bush to Hitler, isn’t that too extreme?

A: The Bush regime has sanctioned unrestrained governmental spying on its citizens; has rounded up more than 23,000 Arabs, Muslims and South Asians from within U.S. borders; has opened secret torture prisons in countries across the world; openly practices torture; is persevering in an unjust war that the world knows was based on lies; is dangerously close to ending birth control and abortion for women (one of the first things the Nazis did); has created a separate legal category for gays through the banning of gay marriage; is undermining science; has let a major city rot in its own ruins and abandoned hundreds of thousands of its displaced mainly black population; has concentrated unrestrained power in the executive branch; has constructed a political apparatus and redrawn electoral districts and put in place suspect voting machines potentially creating a situation where, like the PRI of Mexico, it can win elections for decades, and shows no signs of relenting despite massive public disapproval.

IF ALL OF THIS ISN’T ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU “THINK OF FASCISTS,” then, you have learned to accept too much.

Yes, Bush is different from Hitler. Fascism here will not have a weird mustache and brownshirts. The comedian George Carlin said it will come in Nike sneakers and smiley faces. Or, we’d add, perhaps cowboy boots, blue jeans and a smirk.

Sunsara Taylor has written: “It is faulty logic to dismiss the comparison to Hitler because George Bush hasn’t yet crushed all political opposition, murdered millions in death camps, or dispatched jack-booted storm troopers in the streets. The Nazis were genocidal before they committed or even planned genocide.” ...

“It is easy to look back today, and believe that the Nazis were a unique evil without parallel. But, during their rise, it was controversial and criminally uncommon for people to correctly identify the direction and the logic of society as it became dominated by the Nazis, a once-fringe group of extremists. Even after the first nation-wide action where Nazi brownshirts prevented people from shopping in Jewish businesses, it was still the case that, in the words of one observer, “the majority of the people on the street were inclined to treat the matter as more or less of a joke.”

“And, despite the increasing dominance of the Nazis over society and their long established history of fierce anti-communism and anti-Semitism, when the escalation of terror would taper off for a little while, people would tell themselves the story that the worst was over. For instance, while 60,000 Jews left Germany during 1933 and 1934, by mid-1935 10,000 of them returned. All the way to the gates of the death camps, people took false comfort in the assumption that such things ‘could never happen here.’

“While the Nazis certainly didn’t harbor any moral qualms with it, they did not actually start out with a plan for mass extermination of millions of Jews. Their first years of terror were aimed at annihilating the communists and other political dissidents and forcing Jews out of the country. It was not until 1941, eight years after Hitler became Chancellor and entered WWII that he began to turn concentration camps into death-camps which killed millions. Still, the logic and moral justification for such a ‘Final Solution’ was discernable even in the early days.” (end excerpt, full text).

Think about this. During Hitler’s rise, Germany was a defeated power, severely constrained by the terms of the first World War. Today, the U.S. is the most powerful military force in the world. Nobel laureate Harold Pinter wrote, "The Bush Administration is the most dangerous force that has ever existed. It is more dangerous than Nazi Germany because of the range and depth of its activities and intentions worldwide. I give my full support to the Call to Drive out the Bush Regime."

No one is claiming that Bush and Hitler are exactly the same. We are saying that it would be criminal to sit back and just hope this all goes away on its own. We still have time, if we seize it now and act with great urgency to do what the German people of the 1930’s failed to do – that is, drive out this regime before it takes its greatest toll. "
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People are normally happy.
When the government gives people a right, the people are happier.
When the government take away a right, the people become less happy then if they never had the right.
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From one perspective, yes. But I bet people are happier knowing that there won't be a bomb on their airplane because of compulsory luggage checks.

Yes bu no one is fighting over luggage checks.. let hem check... What I'm taking about (the government) is the NSA doing surveillence on americans, without warrents!
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Well then, there is an exception to every rule, isn't there? I have nothing to worry about, I'm not doing anything wrong. And if someone is wrongly accused, the people won't stand for it. And if they do stand for it...then its their own damn fault the government is getting away with it.

If a government was radically moving in the direction to stop my free will, then yes I would go Cleric on them and fark some people up.
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but you see, its not going to move super fast as to alert everyone. It will discreetly move into a facist and unfree society where everyone thinks alike that their government is working for them, and in reality they are mindless puppets. You, my friend, would not rise up as you would be alone, once ww2 started and the gestapo were about, any kind of revolt in nazi germany would of been crushed. Thats why people say we must act now before it even gets to that point.
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