Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-03 at 14:44:58
Well i have seen a lot of serious topics about politics(EWW) so i decided why not have a break from all of that.
as some of you might or mightnot know the temperature has been rising over the decades. the polar ice caps are melting faster causing a rise in the sea level. if this continues many coastal cities will be underwater within the next centry or so.
Polar bears are drowning
and many animals have been suffering because of it.
it might or mightnot be a cycle of warming and cooling. but it is certain that the temperature is rising.
If global warming does exist it is from our own falts and it will be very difficult to fix them here is the causes:
Fossil Fuels
Hole in the O-Zone
Deforestation
Chemicals
im sure there are more but i will only list the important ones.
Please list your feedback/theories/solutions about global warming.
and please no flaming or attacking of other peoples opinions im sure that you guys have something better to do.
as some of you might or mightnot know the temperature has been rising over the decades. the polar ice caps are melting faster causing a rise in the sea level. if this continues many coastal cities will be underwater within the next centry or so.
Polar bears are drowning
and many animals have been suffering because of it.it might or mightnot be a cycle of warming and cooling. but it is certain that the temperature is rising.
If global warming does exist it is from our own falts and it will be very difficult to fix them here is the causes:
Fossil Fuels
Hole in the O-Zone
Deforestation
Chemicals
im sure there are more but i will only list the important ones.
Please list your feedback/theories/solutions about global warming.
and please no flaming or attacking of other peoples opinions im sure that you guys have something better to do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-02-03 at 15:13:51
Polar bears are not drowning. They can swim you know.
I think everyone is hypocritical about global warming. Even those who attempt to avoid global warming. They still in some way shape or form contribute to global warming (of course it's reduced but still, its something...). I know you are saying it now, "it doesn't, there's no huge gaping hole in the ozone layer." Right... right sure there isn't. Just wait until it strolls by your country and kills everything from high uv radiation.
Global warming can be avoided, but everyone would have to die.
Everything that makes humans what they are, contribute to global warming.
In other words, we are stuck.
We can only slow down the process until the inevitable melting of all the ice caps. It's happening already. The world will be overflooded with water and everyone will die. Gg.
I think everyone is hypocritical about global warming. Even those who attempt to avoid global warming. They still in some way shape or form contribute to global warming (of course it's reduced but still, its something...). I know you are saying it now, "it doesn't, there's no huge gaping hole in the ozone layer." Right... right sure there isn't. Just wait until it strolls by your country and kills everything from high uv radiation.
Global warming can be avoided, but everyone would have to die.
Everything that makes humans what they are, contribute to global warming.
In other words, we are stuck.
We can only slow down the process until the inevitable melting of all the ice caps. It's happening already. The world will be overflooded with water and everyone will die. Gg.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-02-03 at 15:14:36
there is golbal warming but thats not the whole reason it gets hotter every year. has anyone ever thought of how the sun ages just like us, it grows 2 ya know. 
thou this is just my theory..
thou this is just my theory..Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-02-03 at 15:35:05
Well... unfortunately the sun ages one year for every 1,100,000 years a human ages. In essence, it has not aged at all since our time here on earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 16:03:53
I think continuous cycle. The media looks upon Global Warming as OMFG IT'S GONNA KILL US ALL, but it really won't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-02-03 at 19:34:11
People were predicting things that happened last summer several years ago. The storms aren't getting much worse in scale, but much more numerous.
Were going to see even more drastic changes in weather in the comming years. There are already many losses of animals in varius climates, due to the tempurature changes.
What many people don't realize is that the tempurature itself doesn't kill of animals but how temperature affects each animal. There was an almost complete exstintion of a flower in lower america recently, as the flower, recognizing the change in tempurature bloomed in the early spring, and the pollinating insect was not as numerous as it would be in the later spring time.
Another thing that I personally witnessed, a bunch of geese flew into our town in may, which is way ahead of their migratory pattern, normally in july-august. These are the types of changes that can harm populations of animals, as when the geese flew up here, all the grass in the fields was still growing, whereas its usually quite tall when they arrive.
Were going to see even more drastic changes in weather in the comming years. There are already many losses of animals in varius climates, due to the tempurature changes.
What many people don't realize is that the tempurature itself doesn't kill of animals but how temperature affects each animal. There was an almost complete exstintion of a flower in lower america recently, as the flower, recognizing the change in tempurature bloomed in the early spring, and the pollinating insect was not as numerous as it would be in the later spring time.
Another thing that I personally witnessed, a bunch of geese flew into our town in may, which is way ahead of their migratory pattern, normally in july-august. These are the types of changes that can harm populations of animals, as when the geese flew up here, all the grass in the fields was still growing, whereas its usually quite tall when they arrive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-02-03 at 19:39:03
Think about all the storms that happened in the last year.
There were insane amounts of storms that drastically affected the world. If global warming had not happened. I have never seem the seasons so askew. I am usually on cue with weather but it has been so crazy over the last year.
Why were there so many tsumanis tornados and hurricanes?
Did they magically appear?
There were insane amounts of storms that drastically affected the world. If global warming had not happened. I have never seem the seasons so askew. I am usually on cue with weather but it has been so crazy over the last year.
Why were there so many tsumanis tornados and hurricanes?
Did they magically appear?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 19:46:17
Just more fluxtuating... (screwed that word up?) cold and warm fronts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-02-03 at 19:54:55
Actually, the polar bears are dying because the ice is melting, which allows the polar bears main food source, the seal, to outswim the polar bear because of more water.
The "hole" (its not really a hole) in the ozone layer has NOTHING to do with global warming. Its the stuff that originally caused the ozone hole (CFCs) that has an enormous impact towards global warming. It destroys Ozone AND its a greenhouse gas.
Basically, all scientists who are worth anything have all agreed that Global Warming is a real problem. It could be a normal period of heating up, except for the fact that the temperature is increasing at a steeper rate then ever recorded before.
The "hole" (its not really a hole) in the ozone layer has NOTHING to do with global warming. Its the stuff that originally caused the ozone hole (CFCs) that has an enormous impact towards global warming. It destroys Ozone AND its a greenhouse gas.
Basically, all scientists who are worth anything have all agreed that Global Warming is a real problem. It could be a normal period of heating up, except for the fact that the temperature is increasing at a steeper rate then ever recorded before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 20:01:28
They don't know how fast the world heats up for a global heating because it hasn't happened for like.... 12,000 years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-02-03 at 20:21:06
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Feb 3 2006, 06:01 PM)
They don't know how fast the world heats up for a global heating because it hasn't happened for like.... 12,000 years.
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What do you think happened for the past 300 years? The temperature just stayed the same? The temperature increased 0.3 degrees Celsius over the past 100 years. All of a sudden there has been a huge huge incline in temperature change in recent years.
Also, they have taken ice cores from glaciers, and analyzed climates from the past
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 20:28:20
They can't do temperature readings. Doi. You're completely ignoring that fact that scientists don't know squat about global heatings and cooling except they most likely caused the Ice Age. And they don't take readings from Glaciers, you can't do that. You take it from the ground under it or another form of ice. You can't measure the "age or climate" of ice unless it was really, really, really, really old like 100,000+.
And a global heating on a large scale. When someone says global, think big.
And a global heating on a large scale. When someone says global, think big.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2006-02-03 at 21:00:43
I don't believe its a continuous cycle. The earth's temperature has fluxuated over for periods of time. However, it hasn't gone up nearing 1.5 degrees celcius for as long as our reading go back. Nor has it gone up this quickly. It normally takes 10000 years or so to change .5 celcius. We've managed to change it atleast 1 in 100. Kinda strange.
I don't know why this isn't advertised but global warming isn't constant depending where you are longitudinaly. I learned in my AP enviromental studies class that its gone up about 1 degree at the northern parts of the us. Its gone up 3-5 degrees middlish canada. 8-10 degrees at the poles.
Bush once paid scientists (with our tax dollars) to find alternatives to the global warming therom. None of them were able to.
I don't know why this isn't advertised but global warming isn't constant depending where you are longitudinaly. I learned in my AP enviromental studies class that its gone up about 1 degree at the northern parts of the us. Its gone up 3-5 degrees middlish canada. 8-10 degrees at the poles.
Bush once paid scientists (with our tax dollars) to find alternatives to the global warming therom. None of them were able to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 21:36:41
Shadow, no one knows how fast the world actually heats up. We have no evidence to prove it. "10000" is just a guess out of nowhere.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-02-03 at 21:38:41
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Feb 3 2006, 06:28 PM)
And they don't take readings from Glaciers, you can't do that. You take it from the ground under it or another form of ice. You can't measure the "age or climate" of ice unless it was really, really, really, really old like 100,000+[right][snapback]419896[/snapback][/right]
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The 1.5 degree change over 100 years or whatever is the AVERAGE GLOBAL CHANGE. Meaning the temperature will skyrocket past this mark in certain parts of the world, and the world will actually get colder in certain parts initially. However, as time goes on (100 years plus) the entire world will heat up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 22:01:46
You proved me wrong in the age area but:
"The newest theories on the transitions between glacial (cold) and interglacial (warm) periods"
Yes, it's a cool way to show the age of a glacier, but does the glacier show what happened before the cool down? No, because it wasn't formed. In the long run, it only shows what happened during the Ice Age. Since they take readings from air and carbon and all that good stuff trapped in the ice. They can't tell what happened before. And even now, they can't exactly tell, they might get close but not exactly find everything out because Ice layers melt and re-freeze. Rinse and Repeat. For all we know, before the last Ice Age, North America had Floridian like weather.
(^You have No idea how long it took me to put that into words^)
"The newest theories on the transitions between glacial (cold) and interglacial (warm) periods"
Yes, it's a cool way to show the age of a glacier, but does the glacier show what happened before the cool down? No, because it wasn't formed. In the long run, it only shows what happened during the Ice Age. Since they take readings from air and carbon and all that good stuff trapped in the ice. They can't tell what happened before. And even now, they can't exactly tell, they might get close but not exactly find everything out because Ice layers melt and re-freeze. Rinse and Repeat. For all we know, before the last Ice Age, North America had Floridian like weather.
(^You have No idea how long it took me to put that into words^)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-02-03 at 22:10:50
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, Here is another part of the articleQUOTE(http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/GISP2/MoreInfo/Ice_Cores_Past.html)
Like ice cores, deep sea cores have also provided information about climate, but from accumulated sediments on the ocean floor. Unlike ice cores, which provide direct climate information, sediment cores provide indirect information. An example of this indirect evidence is the method for determining temperature. When sediment cores are analyzed researchers painstakingly sort out plankton shells which twist in different directions depending on the temperature of the water they grew in. By counting the number of shells that twist each way the temperature of the surface water at the time that they grew can be determined. Understanding the behavior of these plankton in the modern world is necessary to produce a historical record of temperature for the ocean.
Sediments also accumulate very slowly relative to snow on an ice sheet. This results in much longer records from sediment cores, but a much reduced ability to resolve short term changes. While periods of hundreds to thousands of years might be resolved in a sediment core, annual and even seasonal resolutions are possible with ice cores. On the other hand, sediment cores can provide records which are as long as several million years compared with the several hundred thousand years of ice cores. Because of these differences, sediment cores and ice cores provide complimentary climate information; ices cores provide high resolution, direct information and sediment cores lower resolution, less direct records, but from much longer time periods.
Sediments also accumulate very slowly relative to snow on an ice sheet. This results in much longer records from sediment cores, but a much reduced ability to resolve short term changes. While periods of hundreds to thousands of years might be resolved in a sediment core, annual and even seasonal resolutions are possible with ice cores. On the other hand, sediment cores can provide records which are as long as several million years compared with the several hundred thousand years of ice cores. Because of these differences, sediment cores and ice cores provide complimentary climate information; ices cores provide high resolution, direct information and sediment cores lower resolution, less direct records, but from much longer time periods.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-02-03 at 22:15:49
Let me explain this to you ok? You see the corporations... they make gas... and the people in the corporation buildings are all "We're making money who cares" and being all corporationy and they make money... Uh huh! Yah!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 22:26:53
Damn you loop hole... Let's see if I can conquer it. Has the ocean's temperature really change in the past 500,000 years by a lot? How can you accuratley measure the Earth's atmospheric climate by the ocean temp? Except in the shallows, the ocean stays the same temp around the world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-02-03 at 22:30:39
You really can't although we have proof the ocean has raised a little which means more ice has melted although it DOES take a long time to raise it just 0.01 inches... But with an increase of people and technology and factories = increase in destruction of ozone and melting of glaciers... Its The Day After Tomorrow! OMG!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 22:34:34
Everyone, GET INDOORS AND BURN BOOKS FOR HEAT, and only books....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-02-03 at 22:44:10
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Feb 3 2006, 08:26 PM)
Damn you loop hole... Let's see if I can conquer it. Has the ocean's temperature really change in the past 500,000 years by a lot? How can you accuratley measure the Earth's atmospheric climate by the ocean temp? Except in the shallows, the ocean stays the same temp around the world.
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The thing scientists are actually researching here is the fact that the cores they have looked at from different times have different temperatures, but they don't show a very steep in temperature difference. They aren't measuring the Earth's climate, they are measuring the difference between cores at one point in time and another point in time.
Seeing the difference then and the difference recently has caused scientists to believe that an increase in temperature DEFINITELY isn't the normal heating and cooling periods of the Earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 22:47:08
I know but like I said earlier:
They don't know the past so they have nothing to compare it to. Except maybe the readings in the past 5,000 years.
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Yes, it's a cool way to show the age of a glacier, but does the glacier show what happened before the cool down? No, because it wasn't formed. In the long run, it only shows what happened during the Ice Age. Since they take readings from air and carbon and all that good stuff trapped in the ice. They can't tell what happened before. And even now, they can't exactly tell, they might get close but not exactly find everything out because Ice layers melt and re-freeze. Rinse and Repeat. For all we know, before the last Ice Age, North America had Floridian like weather.
They don't know the past so they have nothing to compare it to. Except maybe the readings in the past 5,000 years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-02-03 at 22:54:26
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Feb 3 2006, 08:47 PM)
I know but like I said earlier:
They don't know the past so they have nothing to compare it to. Except maybe the readings in the past 5,000 years.
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They don't know the past so they have nothing to compare it to. Except maybe the readings in the past 5,000 years.
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There are ocean cores for thousands and thousands of years ago (which is long enough to study Earth's natural heating and cooling period). As I've already said, they find a core, and based on the sediments they find the temperature. Going a little bit further up, they locate a core for about hundred years later.
Doing this for several points through the history of the Earth they have been able to tell the huge spike in heat increase is not natural. Then you get into the fact that Global Warming SHOULD in theory happen, because the greenhouse effect is a fact.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-03 at 23:23:28
Wow, I just found out how pointless this arguement is... I can defend what you just said, but then there will be an "error" in what I just said, then I will crush you, then you will demolish me... Hrm, but it still doesn't prove the point I'm trying to make. Can it measure a quick global heating period...