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Think about it, the definition of a conspiracy is:
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

Corporations preform illegal acts a lot and they consist of many people working together (inherent in the definition of corporation).

Corporations already control the means of production (duh), and the many of the means of communication as well (through media conglomerates and advertising).

Corporations have infiltrated the highest levels of government (Cheney was Chairman of Halliburton), and have gotten the government to obey their every command, from the big (using lobbyists to help them steal more money from people through corrupt legislation), to the very big (getting the US to invade Iraq for oil).

If your going to say we didn't invade Iraq for oil, please also include the reason why we did invade Iraq.

If you could give me tips on subverting this corporate empire, I'd be most thankful, (BTW I'm already an anarchist).

Wait so why are corporations bad? If you ask me they bring jobs and gain lots of money. Thats why capitalism rules in my opinion. Money money money ca ching!


Oh yea so why did we go into Iraq for oil? We are going into Libya right now for oil smart one .

The abstract: Because they have too much power.
The concrete: Because as a result of their efforts, thousands of innocent people have died.
The theoretical: They have corrupted our culture in the name of profit.

1. Since when was power bad?
2. Where/when have these people died?
3. How is our culture corrupted?

Anarchy is the worst form of government. Its pretty much an every man for himself thing and well that is why Anarchies have never lasted or worked. As for corporations being greedy and evil. Only some of them all. Others do things for the greater good. You can call Microsoft a greedy power hungry company, which they are but they still find time to help the little man.

As for people dying. Well more would die if it was not for corporations which give these people jobs and also mass produce items that it makes them very cheap and affordable for the little man. So with out corporations more than likely more would die. The population has boomed so much because due to corporations and the likes people now live longer and have a lower mortality rate.

Ever heard the rewards out weigh the risks? I say let them riegn but we do need more lease laws on them. Not everything is bad, sometimes you just have to think of all the good it does.

To begin with power corrupts, but I'm pretty sure you people already know that. The main reason I'm saying power is bad, is because I'm a believer in freedom. If you want I could prepare a philosophical argument for you, but it's too much of an abstract notion for me to defend here on the spot.

People are dying right now in Iraq, because oil corporations wanted even higher profits.
There are a bunch of books out there about how commodity fetishism is bad for our morality. I think it's obvious how this is so, so I'm not going to provide an extensive argument, but if you want me to start rambling about it, just say the word.

To begin with you can't say Anarchies have never laster or worked because Anarchy has never been tried. Furthermore it's irrelevant because I didn't necessarily say that anarchy is the alternative. The alternative (which I should have stated exsplicitly before) is to fight back, and give more power to individuals and less to corporations.

Ever hear about taking risks? Without risks there would be no progress. I belive in the failure of the status quo, so I think that risks must be taken.

Where are the people who are supposed to be more on my side? I thought this board was crawling with liberals? Where's Cheeze or some similar character?

Buisnessmen value money over people, this is obviously well known; It's nothing new.

In today's world, we need these evil satan enforcing rooster suckers. It's called the invisible hand. Trust me, I don't like it as much as the next guy. But that's just how it is.

This is rediculous, why weren't in Iraq for oil, our oil companies aren't in Iraq...

They are in Libya now, Canada, South America, our own states... (many more)

But not Iraq

The whole war is about oil. The whole terrorist thing is just a minor reason. The people who supply the oil aren't selling it at "reasonable" prices, so what do we do? Go to war. Heck, why not just force them to lower prices?

ADDITION:
Yes, corporations have terrible background. However, do you think a happiness corporation would be evil? It depends on the product and their values.

I think our economy would be much better off if it functioned more like sweedons economy. There they have a maximum wage along with a minimum wage. Its something like 10x the standard salary, which is still a lot, but some of our corporate heads are making more money than they know what to do with, literally.

They are making deals with oil companies in Iraq. Shell I believe was still pumping oil from the shores of Iraq last thing I heard.

One of the major issues with the oil in Iraq that was never really released, was that on 2001, a 70 year contract between IPC (Iraq Petroleum Company) and many other Oil companies, stating that the nation would hold a monopoly in an area of 83,200 square kilometers, ended. This might have spurred one of the ambitions of the attack on Iraq.
(The lack of the contract meant that legally an oil company could drill in the area, as long as it wasn't owned by another oil company)

How can you say the whole war is about Oil? Its more of a grudge than anything else. Baby Bush wanted to finish what Daddy Bush started back in 91'. Saddam kept the Middle East in check. He killed Al Quida and its terrorist for they were trying to over throw him. I see nothing wrong with the guy. Sure he executes people but sometimes I beleive in the greater good.

Oo.Bringer.oO, we had troops in the Middle East before Bush's presidency. The terrorist attack of 9/11 only made war official. However, the true reason we are over there is oil. It has always been about the oil.

the fact is that since we as a nation depend on capitalism we cannot get rid of all of the huge corperations. They may spread through various countries to spread thier power but they still are just corperations. you say that people are dying in iraq because of the corperations. well WHO voted for our leader, the people. also if our government wasnt corrupt this would never of happend. its an endless circle of pointing fingers.

I'm a little biased, being a socialist, but I think m.r.bob is right.What he doesnt mention is that many former corporate executives are now in government, where they can pass policy changes to help the corporate world. Especially in the case of the Republicans (the Democrats are a little better, but its still there) politicians deal with corporations for money for political favors.

1. Martin Luther King Jr. had a lot of power. Was he evil?
2.We went to Iraq before oil costed $2.50/gallon. Gas didn't actually cost much. As I have said before, it costs more to invande a nation than buy oil.
3.No, they have improved our lives. People will work if they can get some money out of it. With money, they can buy things to improve our lives.

Does anyone else find it ironic that he is using a computer, a product from a corporation, to tell us how evil corporations are?

Capitolism sucks. Money is mainly pointless. Corporations are out to get you. The apocolypse is coming. Repent.

To quote myself;

"Google"

What farmer wants to work all day long in the fields growing food to just give you some, you who have done nothing for him. He would rather have money, with which he can buy himself a TV or something.

ADDITION:

Google does everything for free. What is the problem there?

I actually did say that, see:


I actually didn't say that. I do not believe that all corporations are evil, and that all power is bad. Therefore MLKJ was good, some corporations have improved some of our lives. The computer thing does make me kind of guilty though. I'll try to build all of my computers out of parts I find in the garbage in the future (especially considering how much faster comps will be in the future).
Instead of focusing on the specifics, try defending the principles of concentrated power, corruption and a future driven mainly by whatever will grant a select few the most money.

Please don't drag the whole Google thing too far into this. I admire the courage you have in attacking such a while liked company though. This also gives me the opportunity to make a point. Companies like Google show to us the light side of corporations. They can use their power to make the future a very happy place for all of us. However, if Google were to decide to become "evil" (like oil companies), then they could use their power to initiate wide spread censorship and brainwashing.

Now it's time to talk about brainwashing. Brainwashing has been a valuable tool of major corporations since the beginning. Public education was first established so that factories, which were requiring an increasingly specialized workforce, would have a pool of mind slaves to draw from. The public education system has gone through an immense amount of reform (especially schools like mine), but the fundamentals of it from when it trained people for factory jobs (such as the importance it stresses on punctuality) remain.

Proof, proof and more proof.

WHY WOULD WE NEED THEIR OIL?
We get our oil from OTHER PLACES, for fark sake.

Also the proposed drilling in Alaska, with a majority of Republican senate, could very well pass the act. Making us drill in Alaska.....

There is absolutly no evidence saying we invaded Iraq for oil, no bases for saying we went in for oil, and no evidence saying we are stealing/bargining/taking iraqi oil. Plus Iraqi oil is crude oil. If we took this crude oil it must be proccessed and America doens't have enough refineries for all this "stolen" oil.

While your argument is most convincing and I will consider it seriously, I made a specific request for a good reason. I request that you abide by it in the name of fairness. (Besides, I'm really curious about the real reason we invaded Iraq, the oil thing, while the most plausible argument, still is kind of far out, and I'm looking for a more sensible alternative)*.

About Iraq oil. Although we have enough oil now, oil consumption is definitely on the rise in the US. Oil companies may of anticipated a financial crisis, and invaded Iraq to delay it.

*Because Bush wanted to avenge his father's embarrassment (killing thousands in the process) is not a sensible alternative.

Update:
To begin with, I apologize for the liberal cliche oversimplification.
We may have invaded Iraq for oil. That is irrelevant. My original point still stands though, we invaded Iraq because corporations wanted us to.
The best illustration of this is the recent scandal concerning contracts for the rebuilding of Iraq. However, plenty of other companies have profited off of the deaths of innocent iraqies (and American soldiers) as well. We have spent around $239,322,360,286 on the war in Iraq (courtesy of costofwar.com no doubt a site with liberal bias), and the vast majority of that 230 bil has gone to the defense industries, who have no doubt donated large amounts of money to the republican (and democratic) parties.

life is kinda of a weird cycle you know. Born, educate, work, die.. i find that pretty scary if you as me.. but corporations don't really rule.. the goverment does,

The majority of the oil we recieve is in the Middle East. You should read about the OPEC, which is pretty much every Middle Eastern country. Do you know what our soldiers are doing in Iraq? They are in fact "securing" every oil field there. Securing meaning, taking it for ourselves. We could easily build more areas to process oil. You can search history of oil on Wikipedia because I'm too lazy to do so.

Nice avvy. Maybe the corporations don't control the govt, and the govt doesn't control the corporations. Maybe they're both working together [/semi serious comment]