Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-09 at 23:01:52
Nietzche said
"God is dead, and we have killed him"
What do you think he meant by that, and what are your opinions on it?
Personally, I think he meant that the image of a vengeful, judging god on a throne is no longer acceptable in today's society. We want a nice, forgiving God.
I think this is completely true, in more than one sense of the word. I think it also means that we have illegitimate childized religion in many mays.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-02-09 at 23:13:00
I thought that along with that quote, there was an explanation with it. If I remember correctly, it's simply saying that we "killed" god simply by moving more towards science and leaving religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-10 at 01:07:40
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In Nietzsche's book the Anti-Christ, Nietzsche fights against how Christianity has become an ideology set forth by institutions like churches, and how churches have failed to represent the life of Jesus. It is important, for Nietzsche, to distinguish between the religion of Christianity and the person of Jesus. Nietzsche attacked Christian religion as it was represented by churches and institutions for what he called its "transvaluation" of healthy instinctive values. Transvaluation is the process by which the meaning of a concept or ideology can be reversed to its opposite. He went beyond agnostic and atheistic thinkers of the Enlightenment, who felt that Christianity was simply untrue. He claimed that it may have been deliberately propagated as a subversive religion (a "psychological warfare weapon" or what some would call a "memetic virus") within the Roman Empire by the Apostle Paul as a form of covert revenge for the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple during the Jewish War.
Nietzsche contrasts the Christians with Jesus, whom he greatly admires. Nietzsche argues that Jesus transcended the moral influences of his time by creating his own set of values. As such Jesus represents a step towards the overman. Ultimately, however, Nietzsche claims that, unlike the overman, who embraces life, Jesus denied reality in favor of his "kingdom of God," and that Jesus' refusal to defend himself, and subsequent death, were logical consequences of this total disengagement. Nietzsche then analyzes the history of Christianity, finding it to be a progressively grosser distortion of the teachings of Jesus. He criticizes the early Christians for turning Jesus into a martyr and Jesus' life into a story of the redemption of mankind in order to gain power over the masses, finding them to be cowardly, vulgar, and resentful. He argues that Christianity had become more and more corrupted, as successive generations further misunderstood the life of Jesus. By the 19th century, Nietzsche concludes, Christianity had become so worldly as to be a parody of itself--a total inversion of a worldview which was, in the beginning, nihilistic.
Nietzsche contrasts the Christians with Jesus, whom he greatly admires. Nietzsche argues that Jesus transcended the moral influences of his time by creating his own set of values. As such Jesus represents a step towards the overman. Ultimately, however, Nietzsche claims that, unlike the overman, who embraces life, Jesus denied reality in favor of his "kingdom of God," and that Jesus' refusal to defend himself, and subsequent death, were logical consequences of this total disengagement. Nietzsche then analyzes the history of Christianity, finding it to be a progressively grosser distortion of the teachings of Jesus. He criticizes the early Christians for turning Jesus into a martyr and Jesus' life into a story of the redemption of mankind in order to gain power over the masses, finding them to be cowardly, vulgar, and resentful. He argues that Christianity had become more and more corrupted, as successive generations further misunderstood the life of Jesus. By the 19th century, Nietzsche concludes, Christianity had become so worldly as to be a parody of itself--a total inversion of a worldview which was, in the beginning, nihilistic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-10 at 01:14:59
I <3 Nietzche.
Basically my views on Christianity too
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-10 at 04:38:39
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god creates man, man destroys god, man creates dinosuar, dinosuar eats man..... women inheirit the earth.
anyway i think that it is metaphorically speaking. since God is a supreme being that he is he cannot be killed. what he means is that God is dead to him therefore he doesnt believe in him. or something of that sorts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-10 at 07:46:58
I missed the point in time where he actually existed in the first place?
Anyhpp, speaking on-topic I agree that Christianity is a corrupt, manipulative religion as contrasted to others.
Anyhpp, speaking on-topic I agree that Christianity is a corrupt, manipulative religion as contrasted to others.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-10 at 11:56:32
God is obviously dead or else he wouldn't have let bush get elected. Duh.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-10 at 12:30:38
QUOTE(Demaris @ Feb 9 2006, 11:01 PM)
Nietzche said
"God is dead, and we have killed him"
What do you think he meant by that, and what are your opinions on it?
Personally, I think he meant that the image of a vengeful, judging god on a throne is no longer acceptable in today's society. We want a nice, forgiving God.
I think this is completely true, in more than one sense of the word. I think it also means that we have illegitimate childized religion in many mays.
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yeah when i saw ur title i was like: wtf is that.. god cant die.. since he never existed.. .. but by reading "God is dead, and we have killed him"... i understand what it means..
its all about the evolution of men in the world we made..
its not about the religion we know today.. (this religion is (***my opinion***) pure sh*t)
its about how we (all the humans) once needed to believe in something superior.. (god) (note: that was like.. before 1500 a.c)
this is pretty simple to explain.. in the early years.. the man couldnt explain everything (lightning in the sky, waves in the ocean, stuff like this... the sun.. w/e... there are thousands of good examples)
so they needed something superior to "create" them..
but now.. we can explain this kind of stuff.. so we killed god by answering these questions..
i might write more stuff about this.. but i gtg now...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-02-10 at 12:41:56
0h nos! GoD ist De4D! 
(((((.
But seriously, I do agree, He most likely is dead. Why you might ask? Well look at all the stuff that has happened. I mean, if god is allowing all this stuff to happen, He is just as good at the devil.
(((((.But seriously, I do agree, He most likely is dead. Why you might ask? Well look at all the stuff that has happened. I mean, if god is allowing all this stuff to happen, He is just as good at the devil.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-10 at 16:58:16
QUOTE(Zombie @ Feb 10 2006, 12:41 PM)
0h nos! GoD ist De4D! (((((.
But seriously, I do agree, He most likely is dead. Why you might ask? Well look at all the stuff that has happened. I mean, if god is allowing all this stuff to happen, He is just as good at the devil.
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(((((.But seriously, I do agree, He most likely is dead. Why you might ask? Well look at all the stuff that has happened. I mean, if god is allowing all this stuff to happen, He is just as good at the devil.
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I think you forgot something important, reading the post before replying to it...
he said:
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Nietzche said
"God is dead, and we have killed him"
What do you think he meant by that, and what are your opinions on it?
"God is dead, and we have killed him"
What do you think he meant by that, and what are your opinions on it?
he wants your opinion of the MEANING of this ("God is dead, and we have killed him")
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holy crap moderators should do their job..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-10 at 17:03:32
QUOTE(Azu @ Feb 10 2006, 11:56 AM)
God is obviously dead or else he wouldn't have let bush get elected. Duh.
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It was the NRA that got Bush "elected."
I think what Nietzsche meant by this is that any semblance of 'God' there once was had been destroyed both by advancement in the understanding of the world's mechanisms, and also simply by the measure of wars, crimes, assassinations, etc. that resulted from monotheism's rise to prominence.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-10 at 17:06:36
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Feb 10 2006, 05:03 PM)
I think what Nietzsche meant by this is that any semblance of 'God' there once was had been destroyed both by advancement in the understanding of the world's mechanisms, and also simply by the measure of wars, crimes, assassinations, etc. that resulted from monotheism's rise to prominence.
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yeah i think this is a good hypothesis too..
i didnt think of it that way..
i didnt make the link between "good" and "god" because i dont think theres a link to do..
god doesnt always mean jesus' father
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-10 at 17:12:01
I'm not one to believe in any deity. Just check my avatar. I'm using their own policies to define that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-02-10 at 17:35:27
Well, if God did everything for us, it wouldn't be free will, will it? If God is real, that is...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-10 at 17:38:36
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Feb 10 2006, 05:12 PM)
I'm not one to believe in any deity. Just check my avatar. I'm using their own policies to define that.
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oh yeah gorgoroth.. i forgot about that..
did u ever heard of Tvangeste?
this is my favorite black metal band..
some true pure russian black metal at his best..
they just pwns all..
when you hear tvangeste you are like: someone superior is talking to me
sry for that uber spam.. that could be a pm.. but in fact.. since the topic is related to god.. this works better than you can think..
i wonder why anti christians are sometimes considered as "bad people"
this is so ironic since the church is so evil...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-02-10 at 17:43:29
There was no 'god' to die in the first place. Damn you close-minded humans revolving around a god because you are too...close-minded... to think about how we were created.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-10 at 18:25:28
QUOTE(Merrell @ Feb 10 2006, 05:43 PM)
There was no 'god' to die in the first place. Damn you close-minded humans revolving around a god because you are too...close-minded... to think about how we were created.
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merrel read my first reply.. that tells why god exists.. in human's mind
i might write more about this
EDIT: just to make this reply usefull
god was needed by the humans.. to explain what they couldnt.. he was a really good thing until the 1500's then some great geniuses of that time realized that we were now equal to what we call "god" so we dont really need it anyway..
many paintings and books of that time talks about how we dont need god anymore..
francois rabelais' gargantua is one of the best (this is my opinion).. writen in 1534, he was talking about the many avantgardist subjects like utopia, his view of the religion (this part is so funny) and like how noob people are (seeing the word "n00b" in one of his book wouldnt be that surprising.)
So god was needed.. so the human can evolve over it..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-10 at 18:29:46
If we can create a god Merrel, then we can certainly kill him as well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-10 at 18:32:01
QUOTE(Merrell @ Feb 10 2006, 05:43 PM)
There was no 'god' to die in the first place. Damn you close-minded humans revolving around a god because you are too...close-minded... to think about how we were created.
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You are a fool for thinking Nietzsche would ever say something with a literal implication.
'God' in this context is representative of the collective church and its obsoletion in the age of englightenment.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-10 at 18:54:06
QUOTE(Soulshifter @ Feb 10 2006, 04:46 AM)
I missed the point in time where he actually existed in the first place?
Anyhpp, speaking on-topic I agree that Christianity is a corrupt, manipulative religion as contrasted to others.
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Anyhpp, speaking on-topic I agree that Christianity is a corrupt, manipulative religion as contrasted to others.
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Do you even know that there are different sects of christianity? What is the bases for your statement. Do you even realize that most Christian families are warm hearted, good moral people? But obviously to you they are corrupt.
QUOTE(Zombie @ Feb 10 2006, 09:41 AM)
0h nos! GoD ist De4D! (((((.
But seriously, I do agree, He most likely is dead. Why you might ask? Well look at all the stuff that has happened. I mean, if god is allowing all this stuff to happen, He is just as good at the devil.
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(((((.But seriously, I do agree, He most likely is dead. Why you might ask? Well look at all the stuff that has happened. I mean, if god is allowing all this stuff to happen, He is just as good at the devil.
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Everything has a purpous. If god granted every one their wish, or gave every one what they wanted, there would be chaos. Balance my friend, balance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-02-10 at 21:05:54
QUOTE(Demaris @ Feb 9 2006, 10:01 PM)
Nietzche said
"God is dead, and we have killed him"
What do you think he meant by that, and what are your opinions on it?
Personally, I think he meant that the image of a vengeful, judging god on a throne is no longer acceptable in today's society. We want a nice, forgiving God.
I think this is completely true, in more than one sense of the word. I think it also means that we have illegitimate childized religion in many mays.
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that's stupid. The world isn't that messed up.. And it's just not anything possible..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lyon on 2006-02-10 at 23:39:18
Probally most of the People at SEN are non-Christain however i for One am, because if you dont believe in that What are you gonna believe in, and how did we get here in the First place?
But since im a Christain..and this is Kind of Off topic but, your all goin to Hell
But since im a Christain..and this is Kind of Off topic but, your all goin to Hell
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-10 at 23:44:52
By condemning someone, you have violated the tenets of Christianity and thus you are going to hell too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-11 at 00:05:03
QUOTE(Light_Aurora @ Feb 10 2006, 11:39 PM)
Probally most of the People at SEN are non-Christain however i for One am, because if you dont believe in that What are you gonna believe in, and how did we get here in the First place?
But since im a Christain..and this is Kind of Off topic but, your all goin to Hell
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But since im a Christain..and this is Kind of Off topic but, your all goin to Hell
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Your limited worldview has no place in this legitimate discussion. You didn't reply to the original post at all, you're just spewing more of the same mindless rhetoric that's flown from the mouths of fools for over a millenium.
Also - PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF COLD-WATER SHARKS, STOP HITTING THE
ING SHIFT KEY!!!Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-02-11 at 00:20:27
Just do it for the sharks. And thanks for telling me that I'm going to Hell. Wait a second, Hell doesn't exist. Neither does Heaven, or God. (Besides the one true God, donwano. Convert to donwanism today!)