Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-02-11 at 17:49:10
What would be the perfect government?
Whould it be democratic, capitalist, communist, or dictatorship? What would be the rules, what are the laws, and how are the laws made? Is it run be one man, or one hundred, and would the people that are being ruled share a part of it? Is it for profit? or for benifit? Is it based on terror? or peace?
My form of government:
The government owns all businesses.
The government is run by one person, but is made to look like the people run it by having a pseudo-government in front of it.
The laws would be made by me, the people could try to make laws, but they'd be denied by the pseudo-government.
The government would only own a third of the world it is on, two other governments would exist on the other two-thirds, the profits of the government would go to war use so that people do not profit, nor does the governemt.
It would be based on terror, putting fear into those who are ran by it and making them hate the others in the world.
All cities would be compact, but only have enough of every thing for them to survive.
What is your form of government?
Whould it be democratic, capitalist, communist, or dictatorship? What would be the rules, what are the laws, and how are the laws made? Is it run be one man, or one hundred, and would the people that are being ruled share a part of it? Is it for profit? or for benifit? Is it based on terror? or peace?
My form of government:
The government owns all businesses.
The government is run by one person, but is made to look like the people run it by having a pseudo-government in front of it.
The laws would be made by me, the people could try to make laws, but they'd be denied by the pseudo-government.
The government would only own a third of the world it is on, two other governments would exist on the other two-thirds, the profits of the government would go to war use so that people do not profit, nor does the governemt.
It would be based on terror, putting fear into those who are ran by it and making them hate the others in the world.
All cities would be compact, but only have enough of every thing for them to survive.
What is your form of government?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-11 at 18:01:23
Okay so everyone would suffer, there would be mass wars, there would be one egotistic dictator ruling everyone else, all businesses would be crashed into a cliff, the public would be constantly lied to and decieved 24/7, and the whole government would just be a hoax designed to completely lie to the public about the very nature of the way the country is being ran.
Well I guese that MIGHT work out somehow.. but I'm not sure how exactly O_o
Well I guese that MIGHT work out somehow.. but I'm not sure how exactly O_o
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-02-11 at 18:03:44
Yes, exactly azu, exactly. The world wouldnt KNOW they are being lied to, even those that tjought they WERE RUNNING the government wouldn't think for one second that they were my puppets... and do u have anything to say about what ur government would be like?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-11 at 18:11:26
I wouldn't have a government.
Everything would be free, all materials and all services would be given freely to eachother. Whenever anyone would need something, they would ask, and recieve. Thus there would be no hate or anger or crimes and thus no need for goverment. That simple. My idea of a Utopia.
Everything would be free, all materials and all services would be given freely to eachother. Whenever anyone would need something, they would ask, and recieve. Thus there would be no hate or anger or crimes and thus no need for goverment. That simple. My idea of a Utopia.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-02-11 at 18:13:44
But, no one would work, they would be lazy and think that I could just ask an other for something, since evryone will think like that, nothing will get done. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-11 at 18:14:47
Everyone would have to understand that it works both ways
If there is someone who needs a painting, an artist would supply them a painting
If the artist needing food, farmers would supply him food
It would be completely symbiotic
If there is someone who needs a painting, an artist would supply them a painting
If the artist needing food, farmers would supply him food
It would be completely symbiotic
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-11 at 19:35:30
The perfect form of government would be communism (or anarchy) if and only if it were applied to a world of utopia.
But if we look at the world of reality, then there really is no perfect form of government.
But if we look at the world of reality, then there really is no perfect form of government.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-11 at 20:26:55
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Feb 11 2006, 07:35 PM)
The perfect form of government would be communism (or anarchy) if and only if it were applied to a world of utopia.
But if we look at the world of reality, then there really is no perfect form of government.
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But if we look at the world of reality, then there really is no perfect form of government.
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i totally agree with this..
communism would be perfect if everyone ever agried with the concept.. so.. in an utopia.. it would work perfectly.... and this cant happen in reality..
mill is right
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-11 at 20:31:13
We arn't talking about reality here, we are talking about ifs..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-12 at 05:56:35
You don't need a utopia MA!
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What is anarchism?
Anarchism is a political theory which aims to create a society in which individuals freely co-operate together as equals without political, economic or social hierarchies. Anarchism essentially seeks to create a classless, stateless society, free of oppression and exploitation, that is organized and held together by the four principles; individual freedom, social and economic equality, free association, and mutual aid (i.e. cooperation and solidarity).
What isn't anarchism?
Anarchy does not mean chaos, crime, destruction or havoc. To the contrary, these have been the characteristics of political and economic hierarchies throughout history. One of the most common critiques of anarchism is that people "naturally" require hierarchal structures to govern society. However, every single hierarchal structure throughout history has burned to rubble. Not a single government nor empire has lasted more than a few hundred years. People have always rebelled against governments and hierarchal structures. Perhaps this is an obvious indication that people cannot sustain a natural equilibrium within society as long as hierarchy exists because as history has shown us, people will ALWAYS naturally rebel against them.
What type of society does Anarchism advocate?
Anarchism sees to create a society in which individuals can live independently from government and all top-down structures. We believe in mutual aid and cooperation. Anarchists believe in anti-authoritarian decision making, such as direct democracy. Direct democracy works off of consensus and more involves people expressing their ideas, opinions, concerns, criticism and suggestions about certain issues that effect that group of people. This is what makes direct democracy different than representative democracy. It eliminates all top-down hierarchical means of decision making. Many believe using consensus is naturally how humans work. For example, when you go out to see a movie with your friends you work on consensus.. You make a proposal by asking everyone, "what do you want to see?", and everyone decides. If there's a conflicting decision people usually talk about it. That's direct democracy. We do the same thing when we want to go out and eat for example. All these decisions effect us directly thus we engage in a format of a consensus decision making process so the decision can best fit our needs without excluding anyone's opinion or concerns from the group. This insures that everybody's voice is heard. Direct democracy also eliminates the top-down hierarchical in decision making format. People usually don't like it when another has the authority to make all decisions and boss everyone else around, therefore we naturally engage in consensus. Many anarchists believe that such behavior indicates that deep down inside we are all anarchists. Our behavior is so naturally anarchistic, that we don't even realize it.
So what do you want? Utopia? That's a dream. Nothing can be perfect!
Anarchism doesn't see to create the 'perfect society', but rather to achieve liberation by creating equality, education, and mutual cooperation. A community can achieve anarchism by declaring independence from statist capitalist forces by collectively organizing to form co-op networks to provide food, clothes and housing to the community. The Black Panthers and american Indian Movement demonstrated this in the late 60's and 70's. The only reason why they failed is because the FBI/CIA' cointelpro (counterintelligence program) neutralized revolutionary communities by means of chemical warfare.. and that today is one of the biggest problems we still face in our communities because of cointelpro.
Anarchism is a political theory which aims to create a society in which individuals freely co-operate together as equals without political, economic or social hierarchies. Anarchism essentially seeks to create a classless, stateless society, free of oppression and exploitation, that is organized and held together by the four principles; individual freedom, social and economic equality, free association, and mutual aid (i.e. cooperation and solidarity).
What isn't anarchism?
Anarchy does not mean chaos, crime, destruction or havoc. To the contrary, these have been the characteristics of political and economic hierarchies throughout history. One of the most common critiques of anarchism is that people "naturally" require hierarchal structures to govern society. However, every single hierarchal structure throughout history has burned to rubble. Not a single government nor empire has lasted more than a few hundred years. People have always rebelled against governments and hierarchal structures. Perhaps this is an obvious indication that people cannot sustain a natural equilibrium within society as long as hierarchy exists because as history has shown us, people will ALWAYS naturally rebel against them.
What type of society does Anarchism advocate?
Anarchism sees to create a society in which individuals can live independently from government and all top-down structures. We believe in mutual aid and cooperation. Anarchists believe in anti-authoritarian decision making, such as direct democracy. Direct democracy works off of consensus and more involves people expressing their ideas, opinions, concerns, criticism and suggestions about certain issues that effect that group of people. This is what makes direct democracy different than representative democracy. It eliminates all top-down hierarchical means of decision making. Many believe using consensus is naturally how humans work. For example, when you go out to see a movie with your friends you work on consensus.. You make a proposal by asking everyone, "what do you want to see?", and everyone decides. If there's a conflicting decision people usually talk about it. That's direct democracy. We do the same thing when we want to go out and eat for example. All these decisions effect us directly thus we engage in a format of a consensus decision making process so the decision can best fit our needs without excluding anyone's opinion or concerns from the group. This insures that everybody's voice is heard. Direct democracy also eliminates the top-down hierarchical in decision making format. People usually don't like it when another has the authority to make all decisions and boss everyone else around, therefore we naturally engage in consensus. Many anarchists believe that such behavior indicates that deep down inside we are all anarchists. Our behavior is so naturally anarchistic, that we don't even realize it.
So what do you want? Utopia? That's a dream. Nothing can be perfect!
Anarchism doesn't see to create the 'perfect society', but rather to achieve liberation by creating equality, education, and mutual cooperation. A community can achieve anarchism by declaring independence from statist capitalist forces by collectively organizing to form co-op networks to provide food, clothes and housing to the community. The Black Panthers and american Indian Movement demonstrated this in the late 60's and 70's. The only reason why they failed is because the FBI/CIA' cointelpro (counterintelligence program) neutralized revolutionary communities by means of chemical warfare.. and that today is one of the biggest problems we still face in our communities because of cointelpro.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-02-12 at 07:59:06
A of s t you would have a pointless society on your hands. People would work for nothing. Two things would be done: food would be grown and science would be researched. Thats your entire society.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-12 at 15:50:34
Dictatorship, with a benevolent ruler.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-02-12 at 16:11:45
You sound like Stalin, or the Russian Tsars.
Addition:
(No, not you Demaris.
)
Basically the most idealistic form of government would be the dictatorship + communism. Everyone would help eachother, everything for the community, the dictator would do everything in his power to help the community run. But this probably isn't possible. There probably wont be a utopia you dream of; it would be something a little more accessible.
Addition:
(No, not you Demaris.
)Basically the most idealistic form of government would be the dictatorship + communism. Everyone would help eachother, everything for the community, the dictator would do everything in his power to help the community run. But this probably isn't possible. There probably wont be a utopia you dream of; it would be something a little more accessible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-12 at 16:24:07
The russian Czars and Stalin were hardly "benevolent".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-02-12 at 19:59:53
Hmmm... Communism+dictatorship sounds good, but for some reason, people(has in the people of the present) would not like it... But the next generation wouldn't even know that life was any different... Lets just say there may never be a perfect government, but we can always argue what will be a perfect governemt 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-02-12 at 20:03:51
My ideal government would be the exactly like the U.S. and don't tell me it's messed up, every form has their pros and cons.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-12 at 23:50:11
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My ideal government would be the exactly like the U.S. and don't tell me it's messed up, every form has their pros and cons.
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It's not messed up.
No, we don't need 10,000 lines of spaces
It's just that it's more farked then hitler's idea of how the world should be. That's all. -.-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-13 at 19:27:52
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You don't need a utopia MA!
What would happen if we tossed our country's government out the window and replaced it with anarchy?
I do agree however, that anarchy doesn't directly mean chaos, but if you apply anarchy to any country, like lets say, the United States of America, the indirect result will be chaos since nobody is perfect. To have everyone be mutually cooperative, you basically have to force some people to do it in this world. Sure some, or maybe even most, can live like that, but the point is not everyone will be like that; it's human nature. You need everyone to do it in order to run a good anarchy society. If we got rid of our President, our Congress, etc, it eventually will cause chaos and disorder. Sure anarchy doesn't directly mean confusion or chaos, but indirectly it incites it if applied to this world. You DO need a perfect society to run an anarchy society without causing any form of chaos of confusion anywhere.
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Anarchism essentially seeks to create a classless, stateless society, free of oppression and exploitation, that is organized and held together by the four principles; individual freedom, social and economic equality, free association, and mutual aid (i.e. cooperation and solidarity).
Sure, it seeks to do so, but human nature prevents us from achieving it's goal.
and if what you said is true, which to an extent I do agree with, then I guess we should rewrite the definition of the world in dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anarchy
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-02-13 at 19:31:13
Also, Anarchy doesn't last long, its used to replace the current government with a new one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-13 at 19:42:52
Anarchy is not a form a government, it is the absence of government.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-02-14 at 00:11:45
lol, STOP TALKING ABOUT ANARCHY, its a LACK of government
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Anarchy is not a form a government, it is the absence of government.
I want your form of government, like azu and Demaris and l)ark_13.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-14 at 02:36:18
Okay if anarchy doesn't count then my form of government would be that everyone is part of the government and all have equal say in every single matter. There.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-02-14 at 22:16:32
SO, would there be vast hearings to do thgings like pass laws and stuff?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-15 at 02:14:21
Yes and everyone would have an equal say and everyone would be educated about civics and stuff
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-02-15 at 19:46:12
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It's not messed up.
It's just that it's more farked then hitler's idea of how the world should be. That's all. -.-
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It's just that it's more farked then hitler's idea of how the world should be. That's all. -.-
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First off, a page full of linebreaks is spam.
Second, Hitler was a dictator bent on ruling Europe and killing Jews. You fail to name a single flaw in the United States government.
Third, it has been stated many times that anarchy would work in a utopia many times. We don't need you or anyone else to say it one more time.
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Okay if anarchy doesn't count then my form of government would be that everyone is part of the government and all have equal say in every single matter. There.
You probably know what elections are like in the USA. Your legislation system would take as long as an election for major bills to pass.