Report, edit, etc...Posted by DF-fourofspades on 2006-02-16 at 15:29:17
i think this topic was dicussed but im too lazy to search for it... (sorry)
anyways, the point is i don;t know how to use doodads in a "realistic" way.
whenever i try, it looks like crap. help plz?
anyways, the point is i don;t know how to use doodads in a "realistic" way.
whenever i try, it looks like crap. help plz?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zwitch on 2006-02-16 at 15:34:20
What tileset is it and what doodads are you trying to place?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DF-fourofspades on 2006-02-16 at 15:41:37
hmm... i meant in general but...
in this case its arctic and any doodads
cuz i suck so bad...
i can't tell you exactly what doodad it is because i don't have my SC disk and it isn't installed.
in this case its arctic and any doodads
cuz i suck so bad...
i can't tell you exactly what doodad it is because i don't have my SC disk and it isn't installed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zwitch on 2006-02-16 at 16:12:16
Well, this is all assuming your not trying to make one spiffy spot for the Terrain Showcase and its a fairly-sized map.
Some of this is probably no-brainers but whatever, here it is:
Visualizing
Doodads can be a double-edged sword. They can either help make Terrain look better or they can make it appear unrealistic. First, you should ask yourself what you are trying to portray. You can do that whole "close your eyes and visualize" thing too, whatever floats your boat,
but it's not necessary, just try and get an aim for what you are trying to portray
Placing the Doodads
Place doodads for a purpose, not just randomly and for no reason (there is exceptions to this, depending on the type of map you are making). Compare your doodads to the area around it, and possibly even the map as a whole. Does it fit in? Is it helping in portraying what you visualized? You don't have to do this for every doodad, just what you consider to be most important, otherwise you'd eventually go crazy all day figuring out where to place that certain tree
. Also, don't feel like you MUST place a doodad on every spot of the map, like I said earlier, they're a double-edged sword and can be more degrading than helpful to a map if not used properly. If your not trying to go mega detail, with just some doodads here and there, its probably best to set doodads not too near nor far apart.
The best way to learn is by seeing what others have done in the past. Now, I'm not saying copy their whole map, but look at where they set their doodads and try to figure out what the purpose may have been in setting it. If you make a terrain similar to theirs, try and plug it in. Experimenting with doodads is also invaluable in learning how to 'illuminate' your map. Don't expect to be a master Terrain/Doodad Placer in one night, (psh, I'm nowhere near being one
) it takes time.
Well, I hope this ranting was helpful in answering some of your questions, happy mapmaking!
Some of this is probably no-brainers but whatever, here it is:
Visualizing
Doodads can be a double-edged sword. They can either help make Terrain look better or they can make it appear unrealistic. First, you should ask yourself what you are trying to portray. You can do that whole "close your eyes and visualize" thing too, whatever floats your boat,
but it's not necessary, just try and get an aim for what you are trying to portrayPlacing the Doodads
Place doodads for a purpose, not just randomly and for no reason (there is exceptions to this, depending on the type of map you are making). Compare your doodads to the area around it, and possibly even the map as a whole. Does it fit in? Is it helping in portraying what you visualized? You don't have to do this for every doodad, just what you consider to be most important, otherwise you'd eventually go crazy all day figuring out where to place that certain tree
. Also, don't feel like you MUST place a doodad on every spot of the map, like I said earlier, they're a double-edged sword and can be more degrading than helpful to a map if not used properly. If your not trying to go mega detail, with just some doodads here and there, its probably best to set doodads not too near nor far apart. The best way to learn is by seeing what others have done in the past. Now, I'm not saying copy their whole map, but look at where they set their doodads and try to figure out what the purpose may have been in setting it. If you make a terrain similar to theirs, try and plug it in. Experimenting with doodads is also invaluable in learning how to 'illuminate' your map. Don't expect to be a master Terrain/Doodad Placer in one night, (psh, I'm nowhere near being one
) it takes time.Well, I hope this ranting was helpful in answering some of your questions, happy mapmaking!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DF-fourofspades on 2006-02-16 at 16:19:03
wow long post!
thanks... i think i'll play around with doodads when i have the chance.
(as i said before, i don't have my SC cd and don't have it installed eather)
thanks... i think i'll play around with doodads when i have the chance.
(as i said before, i don't have my SC cd and don't have it installed eather)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-02-16 at 17:22:52
>Terrain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-02-16 at 18:05:29
QUOTE(Zwitch @ Feb 16 2006, 03:12 PM)
Well, this is all assuming your not trying to make one spiffy spot for the Terrain Showcase and its a fairly-sized map.
Some of this is probably no-brainers but whatever, here it is:
Visualizing
Doodads can be a double-edged sword. They can either help make Terrain look better or they can make it appear unrealistic. First, you should ask yourself what you are trying to portray. You can do that whole "close your eyes and visualize" thing too, whatever floats your boat, but it's not necessary, just try and get an aim for what you are trying to portray
Placing the Doodads
Place doodads for a purpose, not just randomly and for no reason (there is exceptions to this, depending on the type of map you are making). Compare your doodads to the area around it, and possibly even the map as a whole. Does it fit in? Is it helping in portraying what you visualized? You don't have to do this for every doodad, just what you consider to be most important, otherwise you'd eventually go crazy all day figuring out where to place that certain tree . Also, don't feel like you MUST place a doodad on every spot of the map, like I said earlier, they're a double-edged sword and can be more degrading than helpful to a map if not used properly. If your not trying to go mega detail, with just some doodads here and there, its probably best to set doodads not too near nor far apart.
The best way to learn is by seeing what others have done in the past. Now, I'm not saying copy their whole map, but look at where they set their doodads and try to figure out what the purpose may have been in setting it. If you make a terrain similar to theirs, try and plug it in. Experimenting with doodads is also invaluable in learning how to 'illuminate' your map. Don't expect to be a master Terrain/Doodad Placer in one night, (psh, I'm nowhere near being one) it takes time.
Well, I hope this ranting was helpful in answering some of your questions, happy mapmaking!
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Some of this is probably no-brainers but whatever, here it is:
Visualizing
Doodads can be a double-edged sword. They can either help make Terrain look better or they can make it appear unrealistic. First, you should ask yourself what you are trying to portray. You can do that whole "close your eyes and visualize" thing too, whatever floats your boat,
but it's not necessary, just try and get an aim for what you are trying to portrayPlacing the Doodads
Place doodads for a purpose, not just randomly and for no reason (there is exceptions to this, depending on the type of map you are making). Compare your doodads to the area around it, and possibly even the map as a whole. Does it fit in? Is it helping in portraying what you visualized? You don't have to do this for every doodad, just what you consider to be most important, otherwise you'd eventually go crazy all day figuring out where to place that certain tree
. Also, don't feel like you MUST place a doodad on every spot of the map, like I said earlier, they're a double-edged sword and can be more degrading than helpful to a map if not used properly. If your not trying to go mega detail, with just some doodads here and there, its probably best to set doodads not too near nor far apart. The best way to learn is by seeing what others have done in the past. Now, I'm not saying copy their whole map, but look at where they set their doodads and try to figure out what the purpose may have been in setting it. If you make a terrain similar to theirs, try and plug it in. Experimenting with doodads is also invaluable in learning how to 'illuminate' your map. Don't expect to be a master Terrain/Doodad Placer in one night, (psh, I'm nowhere near being one
) it takes time.Well, I hope this ranting was helpful in answering some of your questions, happy mapmaking!
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Zwitch for president! This would be good enough for a tutorial!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DF-fourofspades on 2006-02-16 at 21:05:25
oh... this is considered terrain??
oops...
heh, then close this topic plz
uhh... oops i didn't realise it was moved. so ignore that
oops...
heh, then close this topic plz
uhh... oops i didn't realise it was moved. so ignore that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-02-18 at 11:46:44
if you are useing the normal editor, then you cant place dodadds where they dont fit. if you use SCM or SF then you need to be careful where u place dodadds cause they can be put anywhere
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-02-19 at 13:58:14
They're usually used to cover up blotchy terrain and to make the map look nicer, but keep in mind there's a maximum number of doodads you can make.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DF-fourofspades on 2006-02-21 at 12:48:43
QUOTE(Toothfariy @ Feb 18 2006, 11:46 AM)
if you are useing the normal editor, then you cant place dodadds where they dont fit. if you use SCM or SF then you need to be careful where u place dodadds cause they can be put anywhere
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"oh-ok"
i just used staredit
