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Question: Should the Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay be closed?

Background: The military has been in Guantanamo Bay since the Platt Amendment. Cubans have never like this base because they feel it pushes American Imperialism too far. Being a military base, there are many detainees there; they are not Prisoners of War. Thus, this base has been under scrutiny by human rights groups to make sure abuses have not occured. Unfortuantly, very few thorough reports have been generated to insure the public that the facility is following the Geneva Conventions.

One of the key problems is that Guantanamo Bay is not on American soil. From this generates numerous problems.

For the history of Guantanamo Bay, click here. (Notice the " The neutrality of this article is disputed." sign? Create your own opinions!)

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No, I don't feel it should be closed. Why should it? Its a vital military base, yes there maybe a few questionable policies involving terrorist prisoners (Loud pop music, no sleep, no bathroom)

How is it vital? We are pushing ourselves where we don't need to be.

I say close it. We need to come back to our own country, and quit trying to rule the world.

I said yes we should close it.

Close it. Why do we have a prison in Cuba, anyway? I suppose you could raise the arguement why we are in Iraq, but that's a different subject.

I don't know what the heck that is so... no comment!

no comment.

although there is no need for an american naval base on cuban soil america did liberate the cubans from spain. but since the cuban government has done nothing(or at least i dont think they have done anything) to suggest the removal of the base i see no wrong here.

Guantanamo Bay naval base is a U.S. military station we've had since the end of the Spanish-American War. As of now it's being used to imprison "enemy non-combatants, who are members of Al Qaeda, and/or other groups (or may not be affiliated with a group) that have no definite home country, and wear no uniform. As such, the U.S. government claims that they can't be released because they have no destination to be released to, but for years now they've been detaining these people without due process of law, much like the recently heard from Jose Padilla.

The U.S. is in Amnesty International's top ten human rights violation list pretty much every year because of this.

Thank you for clarifying this for me.

I say close it. No human deserves to be tortured. If you think that torture of terrorists is right, does this mean that you would let terrorists torture you if you got caught?

Sorry, I am just shooting down a possible argument here.

What torture? Please define what torture we are doing? Are we doing this for no point at all? Are we even doing what you claim we are?

What we do with these scum parallels what we do to our own prisoners (civilian).

Yes because we set up the base on land that we do not own, and the Cubans hate that we are takign their land.

I'd like to put an emphasis on the word "terrorist." How dare we force them to listen to.... LOUD POP MUSIC.
If a terrorist could get an American in their prison, the American would be physically totured (cut off fingers, beatings, etc.). I don't know about you, but I would rather take a pop music toturing. It might actually be half decent music.


1)Castro hates us.
2)What have the Cubans ever done for us?

We have no reason to keep people in another country when we are imprisoning them, unless we are actively at war with that country.

Techniqually its our land (the area around the base), our policy with the European countries during the Spanish-American war was to moderate any actions that took place in the region, which kept the European nations out of the Area. We used that port/base for quick response and save haven for Americans.

Plus we have many bases around the globe, if we close the Cuban one, shouldn't we close alll the others???

Yeah... thought so.

Oh yeah and the tortures you speak of, thats my everyday life.

Girls at my school play annoying pop music nonstop, even in class with their ipods I can still here it, all the time. With homework and studying the terrorist probably get more sleep then I do. During class we aren't allowed to go to the bathroom, so I have to sometimes sit through black days (double classes) with out using the restroom when I need it.....

A terrorist is more battle hardened then I am, these "tortures" are nothing for him.

im sure that they have it a LOT worse than you. you are comparing your middle class american life to a prisoners.

But these "totures" are so pathetic that they can't be considered toture. How bad can it be to listen to crappy pop music?

These are terrorists, people who will do whatever they can to blow up American citziens. Freeing them will only help them.

Er.. curious, where are people getting the "torture = pop music" stuff?

Er... I guess they just like bashing pop music. I am not a fan of it much, either, but I am not considering it torture.



We are talking about physical torture. Not crappy pop music. Crappy pop music isn't auditory torture, people get used to a type of music whether they want to or not.

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Er... I guess they just like bashing pop music. I am not a fan of it much, either, but I am not considering it torture.
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We are talking about physical torture. Not crappy pop music. Crappy pop music isn't auditory torture, people get used to a type of music whether they want to or not.
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Yes, and at Gitmo we aren't physically torturing them....

You just proved my point

Good job stereo-typing terrorists, tallywhacker. Terrorists go after EVERYONE. They just go after us, because we are imperialistic douchebags.



And you know this how? Because Fox News Network says we don't? You're mislead by the government's propaganda. There is probibly more going on there than you know of.

And no. He didn't prove your point. Stop trying to justify your excuse of an argument because you think it helps your debate, when in fact, it does not.

And Popular can be considered auditory torture. If they blasted it in their ears, that is auditory torture.

But again. He didn't help your argument.

Sounds a lot like Kellimus.

For one, I don't watch fox news, your bais left wing agenda won't convince me with your lies.

And two, Fox is an accurate fair network, if you believe other wise supply proof on how inaccurate it's reporting is and how bais it is.

And please, burden of proof - show me evidence we are physically torturing them

You are a left wing bais, blinded person who needs to open your eyes. The world isn't so black and white and you see it.

Who the fark is Kellimus?

And if you talk about this, "burdon of proof", why the fark don't you show us proof that we are not torturing them, hmm?

That's what I thought, you farking hypocrite.

Oh. By the way. I'm sorry that you trust the government. I'm going to laugh right in your face when you're betrayed by them.

Actually, the Burden of Proof lies on the person making the assumption. In this case, it would be Zordon.


Anyway, I think you guys got the wrong point. (Opinion alert!)

The biggest problem is the indefinite detainment without a trial.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7002440344

The other problem is them not being on American soil. Because of this, the Bush administration can claim that they are not guaranteed certain rights (such as the trial).

By creating its own definition ("enemy combatants") and arguing against rights because they're not on American soil has basically made the detainees nothing. They've been stripped of all their rights as human beings at this place.