I would say, if you really thought about it, No, we did not need to use the A-Bomb. but at the costs of hundreds of thousands of japanese and American lives trying to capture Japan.
I would say the A-Bomb saved many lives yes, but I do not know if we really did need to use it. But it did send a very strong message.
Yes I think it was, mainly because if we didn’t use it we probably would’ve used more troops to try and take over Japan, thus causing more causalities on our side. I served the Japanese right anyway look what they did to Pearl Harbor.
Was it necessary to build 12 dragoons instead of 11? Maybe no, but why take the chance. Personally, I think it was necessary. And if it wasn't, well....that's war my friend.
The Atomic Bombs helped achieve 2 very important things in WWII. It ended the war before 1946 and saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
The US was planning to invade Japan sometime in early fall of 1945, possibly September to October. The invasion was planned to last almost a full year, as the invasion of europe did.
The Japanese were still strong believers of Bushido, in which it was honorable to die in battle. This meant that a massive amount of Japanese civilians would rise up and take arms.
The Soviets were going to invade Japan in late 1945, possibly in November, meaning that there would've been 2 fronts in Japan, totally devastating the country if it took place.
Only 2 cities were completely destroyed by the bombs, almost all of Japan would've been destroyed if there would've been an invasion.
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Mar 26 2006, 02:45 PM)
The Soviets were going to invade Japan in late 1945, possibly in November, meaning that there would've been 2 fronts in Japan, totally devastating the country if it took place.
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Wow I just learned some thing; I didn’t think Russia had any plans to touch Japan. Anyway good point.
I voted no, for about the same reasons as Chris.
It saved many casualties on our side, but also gave us the ego that we have today.
I voted No Comment. From a direct standpoint, the use of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved Japanese culture and American lives.
However, the reprecussions of nuclear weapons over the past 60 years are just horrible.
Technically, the Atom Bomb was not Nuclear, it was atomic.
Nuclear bombs are what are made now.
Atomic Bombs are of the past.
Wasn't neccesary, but useful, and more efficient.
It didn't "kill" Japan, it "knocked them out".
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Mar 26 2006, 09:26 PM)
It didn't "kill" Japan, it "knocked them out".
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I wish i could of been there.
"YOU GOT KNOCKED THE
OUT!"
lol...
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Mar 26 2006, 08:18 PM)
I would say, if you really thought about it, No, we did not need to use the A-Bomb. but at the costs of hundreds of thousands of japanese and American lives trying to capture Japan.
I would say the A-Bomb saved many lives yes, but I do not know if we really did need to use it. But it did send a very strong message.
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Right this is true, but countless of innocent lives were also lost, I agree that you say no. I feel that the A-bomb was a message to the japs that basically said "dont fark with us. You'll lose." but thinking about how many Women and Children also died from that, not to mention the after effects is devisating to the japanesse people. A shame for all those children to die or have some sort of horrible sickness.
Think about this everyone. In pearl harbor, the japanese killed over 4,000 men and an entire navy fleet. In japan, we obliterated 2 cities: hiroshima and nagasaki. This killed over 10,000 and 2 whole cities. The Americans did way more damage then the japanese and the americans didn't just kill soldiers, they killed innocent people. After thinking about this, do you guys truly think it was worth it? Couldn't the americans have just stormed japan and killed japanese soldiers instead of its people?
I have this to say: what constitutes "necessary"? The atomic bomb saved American lives and quite possibly Japanese ones. Could America have won without it? Probably. Did it have devastating effects? Certainly. But where do we draw the line between "Non-essentail" and "necessary"?
On another note, you claim that the effects of nuclear weapons over the past 60 years are terrible. But would refraining from using the atomic bomb on Japan have helped this? We would still have had the bomb, Russia would have gotten it too, probably about the same time, and the only actual difference would be that no one would have used it by that time. Possibly the USSR would have used it on America if we hadn't used it on Japan, or the other way around. Who knows what would have happened?
I vote "No Comment."
QUOTE(Zombie @ Mar 27 2006, 02:59 PM)
I wish i could of been there.
"YOU GOT KNOCKED THE
OUT!"
lol...
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Lol.. you know I was speaking figuratively =\
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 26 2006, 08:25 PM)
Technically, the Atom Bomb was not Nuclear, it was atomic.
Nuclear bombs are what are made now.
Atomic Bombs are of the past.
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Pardon? A nuclear bomb includes all bombs that involve manipulating the nucleus of an atom to create energy by Einstein's E=mc[sup]2[/sup]. The fission bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are just as much nuclear weapons as the fission warheads we have today.
QUOTE(Mp)Marine @ Mar 27 2006, 05:17 PM)
Couldn't the americans have just stormed japan and killed japanese soldiers instead of its people?
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Not in thr slightest. It took showing the Japanese that there was a way we could kill them without anything they could do about it. A mainland invasion would have cost millions upon millions of Japanese civilian lives.QUOTE
Not in thr slightest. It took showing the Japanese that there was a way we could kill them without anything they could do about it. A mainland invasion would have cost millions upon millions of Japanese civilian lives.
Let's see some proof of that. Or maybe you mean Soldiers lives.
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Pardon? A nuclear bomb includes all bombs that involve manipulating the nucleus of an atom to create energy by Einstein's E=mc2. The fission bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are just as much nuclear weapons as the fission warheads we have today.
Except todays Nuclear Missiles are much more powerful then back then. Actually if you compare then to now that A-bomb was weak.
I'll let DTBK rebuttle to that one, Cloud =\
It's still a nuclear weapon.
If you read his post, you would see that he is not denying the fact they are nuclear weapons, but is mearly stating the fact that a Nuclear Bomb is way more powerfull than an Atomic one.
Please read
If I recall correctly, we bombed the hell out of japan before using the atom bomb. I believe the bombing we did before the whole atom thing, killed much more people. But is over looked. Quality over quanitity.
I'm gonna use an SC analogy.
Why use a Nuke when you have all those other Terran units to choose from?
In reality, nukes have more ethical concerns, just another reason they weren't absolutely necessary. Sure, it ended the war faster, possibly saving more lives than it killed, but nevertheless, it was not one of the brightest moments in human history.
I see no regret in using the Atomic Bomb. Yes many innocent people died, but even if the United States decided to do it the harder way, eventually many innocent people would get killed anyhow in the fray between the US and Jap soldiers.
QUOTE(Cloud @ Mar 27 2006, 07:08 PM)
Let's see some proof of that. Or maybe you mean Soldiers lives.
Except todays Nuclear Missiles are much more powerful then back then. Actually if you compare then to now that A-bomb was weak.
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Proof? Do you know how Japanese civilians and military-related noncombatants behaved on US-occupied islands? Do you really think the civilians would have just sit there and let the US invade if the government didn't surrender?
Yes, nuclear weapons are stronger now. The fission based uranium and plutonium bombs were still nuclear weapons, however.
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 27 2006, 10:00 PM)
If you read his post, you would see that he is not denying the fact they are nuclear weapons, but is mearly stating the fact that a Nuclear Bomb is way more powerfull than an Atomic one.
Please read
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Technically, the Atom Bomb was not Nuclear, it was atomic.
He is denying that the fission-based nuclear weapons used in WWII are nuclear weapons.Atom Bombs used the full atom fission to create their blasts.
Nuclear Bombs use Nuclei fission to create their blasts.