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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-05 at 16:11:41
I've noticed that a lot of the topics in SD are of similar themes, and that some are even more or less duplicates of recent topics.

I would propose the splitting of SD into three boards:
1. Religion and Morality
2. War and Politics
3. Historical Discussion

The original SD would also be kept so that people can post topics which don't fit into the categories above.

I think that this system would have the following advantages:
1. People would know where to put their topics at a glance.
2. Duplicate topics can be spotted and killed quickly.
3. The board would be more organised and orderly.
4. People can quickly go to the forum which contains topics of interest to them. I for one am sick of topics involving religion, so I'd just avoid that forum.

I also think that Lite Discussion really needs its place defined a lot more clearly.

What does everybody else think?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-04-05 at 16:19:52
There are a lot of similar topics, but all those boards would be a headache. The reason I don't post in creative much is because I don't like clicking on that creative forum, then clicking the other forums.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-04-05 at 16:20:59
I think it's a good idea, but war and politics usually merge with history stuff.

I don't like SD that much, because some people just use it to flame each other. I don't think that flame should be part of discussion at all, but the current state is something like this:
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Bob: I think... I have read... I know...
Jack: No, argument... You are wrong, flame, argument...
Bob: lol, flame, argument... flame, argument...
Jack: Argument, flame... just flame...

And so on until someone(usually Captainwill) locks the topic.

I think we should rather try to stop this nonsense because a Serious discussion should not contain any flame.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-04-05 at 16:25:39
I agree about the Lite Discussion needing to be defined, but splitting SD into subforums just seems a bit.. hectic. I'm sure people can sort through the topics as-is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-05 at 16:57:27
Yeah, I was going to list some disadvantages too, but that wouldn't have suited my agenda. tongue.gif

I can see how it would become hectic (to moderate, at least), and maybe SD doesn't get enough traffic to justify a split. It's just that I've seen it work well on other forums and thought that it might give the topics some focus, rather than having each one degenerate into a rambling discussion incorporating a lot of unrelated sub-topics.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-05 at 16:59:25
I agree that the SD should be split like that. Flaming is everywhere. Not just sd.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-05 at 17:06:47
I think this would work.
And usually, I think people just post in LD as an alternative to the Null, to get more cumulative posts/minerals. Like the which iPod is the best thread, or the one with the kissing.

Maybe we could split them up, but still allow people to click on the main one, and view every topic? Maybe, we could put tags on them, or something, so users only see the topics with the [RELIGION] tags on them.

EDIT: There is two iPod threads -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-04-05 at 18:03:55
I don't think SD is THAT active. If anything I would suggest a "Discussion" fourm with sub fourms:
War and Politics
History
Religon
Light Discussion.
As you can tell Discussion would combine Lite and Serious and then break them down. Sound like an ok idea?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-05 at 18:43:25
I agree with Will, and agree with Golden.

There is no use having two seperate forums like Lite and Serious, when they can be put into a "General Discussion" as a sub forum.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-04-05 at 18:51:51
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Apr 5 2006, 03:11 PM)
I've noticed that a lot of the topics in SD are of similar themes, and that some are even more or less duplicates of recent topics.

I would propose the splitting of SD into three boards:
1. Religion and Morality
2. War and Politics
3. Historical Discussion

The original SD would also be kept so that people can post topics which don't fit into the categories above.

I think that this system would have the following advantages:
1. People would know where to put their topics at a glance.
2. Duplicate topics can be spotted and killed quickly.
3. The board would be more organised and orderly.
4. People can quickly go to the forum which contains topics of interest to them. I for one am sick of topics involving religion, so I'd just avoid that forum.

I also think that Lite Discussion really needs its place defined a lot more clearly.

What does everybody else think?
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I concur. (Especially about the religion topics, how I loathe them.)

QUOTE(dumbducky @ Apr 5 2006, 03:19 PM)
There are a lot of similar topics, but all those boards would be a headache.  The reason I don't post in creative much is because I don't like clicking on that creative forum, then clicking the other forums.
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Just click on the words underneath the main icon dude, you don't need to navigate through 2 pages. Failing that, use the dropdown list at the bottom.

QUOTE(DEAD @ Apr 5 2006, 03:20 PM)
I think it's a good idea, but war and politics usually merge with history stuff.

I don't like SD that much, because some people just use it to flame each other. I don't think that flame should be part of discussion at all, but the current state is something like this:

I think we should rather try to stop this nonsense because a Serious discussion should not contain any flame.
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laugh.gif It shouldn't contain flame, but there's simple solutions to that. Namely that this system would rip out flame potential topics easy. Such as religious should get more mods, we don't want any "M<y God can kick the shiz out of your God."

QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Apr 5 2006, 03:25 PM)
I agree about the Lite Discussion needing to be defined, but splitting SD into subforums just seems a bit.. hectic.  I'm sure people can sort through the topics as-is.
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Yes they can, but ask yourself... Do they want to?

QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Apr 5 2006, 03:57 PM)
Yeah, I was going to list some disadvantages too, but that wouldn't have suited my agenda.  tongue.gif


Go Will!

QUOTE(Deathawk @ Apr 5 2006, 04:06 PM)
Maybe we could split them up, but still allow people to click on the main one, and view every topic? Maybe, we could put tags on them, or something, so users only see the topics with the [RELIGION] tags on them.
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Bleh, that would be kinda hard to code into the core and would get confuseing for newer members. (Especially the stupid ones.)

QUOTE(Deathawk @ Apr 5 2006, 04:06 PM)
EDIT: There is two iPod threads -_-
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That's just sad.

QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Apr 5 2006, 05:03 PM)
I don't think SD is THAT active. If anything I would suggest a "Discussion" fourm with sub fourms:
War and Politics
History
Religon
Light Discussion.
As you can tell Discussion would combine Lite and Serious and then break them down. Sound like an ok idea?
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This idea = even better. But wait 'till you see mine wink.gif



  • Completely eliminate Serious Discussion.
  • Change the name of Light Discussion to just plain "Discussion" or "Geneal Discussion"
  • Create several sub forums... War and Politics/History, Religious Debate, Offtopic Light Discussion, and Offtopic Serious Discussion.
  • Give them all their own mods and rules, and watch them carefully.
    This is the one that seperates mine from theirs.
  • As the Mensa/High Templar forum was, to the best of my knowledge, recently deleted. Change the "Offtopic Serious Discussion" subforum into something like that. You need a certain number of posts in the whole "General Discussion" area and/or the "Offtopic Serious Discussion" mods decide who can get in and have the ability to ban certain users from the sub-forum.

    That, or let everyone in after a certain number of posts in the "General Discussion" and give the serious mods the ability to ban users from the serious forum.

    I think 30-50 posts psots would suffice.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-04-05 at 20:59:13
QUOTE(Syphon @ Apr 5 2006, 05:51 PM)


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[*]Completely eliminate Serious Discussion.
[*]Change the name of Light Discussion to just plain "Discussion" or "Geneal Discussion"
[*]Create several sub forums... War and Politics/History, Religious Debate, Offtopic Light Discussion, and Offtopic Serious Discussion.

That's almost exactly what I said.
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[*]As the Mensa/High Templar forum was, to the best of my knowledge, recently deleted. Change the "Offtopic Serious Discussion" subforum into something like that. You need a certain number of posts in the whole "General Discussion" area and/or the "Offtopic Serious Discussion" mods decide who can get in and have the ability to ban certain users from the sub-forum.

The Mensa fourm was for "elite speakers" or some other bullshiz. And was deleted (I don't know, I'm guessing) because it discriminated the members from each other. I thought the entire idea of the Mensa fourm was stupid, and even had a semi joke thread against it.
Though that's just a side note, I don't see the point of "Offtopic 'Lite' and Serious Discussion" Why not just have "Other Discussions"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-04-05 at 21:16:58
Get rid of all other forums and clan forums and focus will be on Mapping again!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-04-05 at 21:38:59
? (Politics / War / The World / History)
Ethics(?) (Religion, Race, Gender, Morality issues)
General Discussion(?) (Everything else?)


I'm not sure if "Ethics" is fitting for a board title with all those combined... but I can't think of a better one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-04-05 at 21:58:13
Great idea, Serious Discussion is too cluttered.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-05 at 22:02:42
Does anybody else think this should happen to the Null too?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-04-05 at 22:04:07
Wow... That's true... I never noticed how SD is very repetitive...

Maybe we could just keep it way it is... I like it this way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-06 at 08:45:21
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Apr 6 2006, 01:38 AM)
? (Politics / War / The World / History)
Ethics(?) (Religion, Race, Gender, Morality issues)
General Discussion(?) (Everything else?)
I'm not sure if "Ethics" is fitting for a board title with all those combined... but I can't think of a better one.
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Maybe you could do it like this:

(Politics, War, History) - Politics and History
(Religion, Race, Gender, Morality and Ethics) - Philosophy and Ethics
(Everything Else) - General Discussion

I can see a problem with potential overlap of topics though.

Example: 'Should Intelligent Design, Creationism or Evolution be the favoured theory in public schools in the USA?'

Would this go under Politics or Religion? It has elements of both. I would say religion because the question does not explicity mention politics and the topic is likely to turn into an argument about which theory has more validity. Politics is unlikely to feature very heavily.

'Does the favoured teaching of Creationism and Intelligent Design in some schools violate the laws governing the separation of Church and State?' - This would go in politics because it is a constitutional question.

Example 2: 'Is the poor treatment of Hispanic immigrants in the South-West a result of real grievances or racial prejudice?'

Is it politics or race?

I've run out of steam so I'll stop there. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-04-06 at 09:25:47
Hey... those are problems in your suggested grouping as well tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-06 at 09:33:02
That's what I mean - it would be somewhat difficult whichever way it was done.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-04-06 at 09:41:24
What about sticking "Games" in the new forum group?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-06 at 09:48:25
How do you mean? Splitting up Games into sub-boards, or putting it in with the Serious Discussion sub-forums?

Or something else?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-04-06 at 09:56:00
Add the forum Games to the new discussion catagory. Such as...:


Politics and History
Philosophy and Ethics
Games and Consoles
General Discussion

Maybe not.

What about a forum for technology? I don't want to create inactive forums though.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-06 at 10:03:41
I would keep Games and Consoles out of the discussion boards.

As for the technology forum - it would get some traffic, but probably not a lot. If you went ahead with the split of SD and see if it works, then you could see if a technology forum would be viable or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-06 at 10:05:49
I think the Games forum should be changed into the Technology forum that you guys speak of. That way, they can talk about games, but also talk about other technology.

Just a thought.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-04-06 at 13:21:11
I think that any forum could have a lot of subforums, because if you think about it, all of the forums are used in different ways. Making all of the subforums for them would, I think cause a lot of confusion. Probably not a good idea. But if they were, it wouldnt really bother me much!
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