some people believe that a democratic nation should uphold each individual's personal freedoms and rights no matter what
some people believe that in a time a war or chaos peoples freedoms and rights need to be restricted inorder for authorities to maintain a certain level of peace.
an example would be conscription:
in a time of war, such as WW1 (in canada) and the Vietnam war (for Americans) there was conscriptions. every man and abled body was forced to join the army to help the war effort over seas, thus taking away some personal freedoms
is this justifiable?
another example would be civil war:
if a terrorist group formed in the country and started partaking in violent acts of protest the nation could take away personal freedoms, marshell law. basically, the army of the country takes over as the police force, and has the right to imprison any citizen for any reason for up to 90 days (usually only if they suspect you for being involved with the terrorists).
is this justifiable?
whats your take?
Well not every able bodied man. In America there was a lottery to see if you were to be drafted. You would get a number based on your birthday or something like that, and the lower the number the more likely you would be to get drafted. Also and correct me if Im wrong here that if you are in or going to college and you have steady solid grades you will not get drafted.
you're right
but still, americans were running over to canada so they didn't have to go to war
it showed some level of fear amongst the people
Consription is wrong if we ATTACKED them. Now if its in defense of the homeland as in staying in the country, then ya I can say its justifyable... Forcing someone to kill other people is wrong. The revolution for instance was filled with volunteers.
Drafts should include men and women. Women are free people in this country too; they go to school and work. They shouldn't stay home and make babies. Besides, men have a responsibillity to fight for their freedoms, so women should too.
Chris was right when he said that college folks wouldn't get drafted, the Vietnam War took place during the space race and an armaments race with the USSR. We needed scientists and mathmeticians to help the United States, and we needed more people in high-tech industries.
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ May 12 2006, 05:45 AM)
you're right
but still, americans were running over to canada so they didn't have to go to war
it showed some level of fear amongst the people
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Dissagreement with the establishment.
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ May 13 2006, 03:55 AM)
Drafts should include men and women. Women are free people in this country too; they go to school and work. They shouldn't stay home and make babies. Besides, men have a responsibillity to fight for their freedoms, so women should too.
Chris was right when he said that college folks wouldn't get drafted, the Vietnam War took place during the space race and an armaments race with the USSR. We needed scientists and mathmeticians to help the United States, and we needed more people in high-tech industries.
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Some ones gotta be the docters and nurses and employees at home.
The government should not take away the rights of the people, war or not, lick my balls, I bet that's why they're trying to get rid of guns, so just the government has it...
I don't need a gun to protect myself from criminals, I need to be able to uprise against the government when we get like, Hitler reincarnated as president ;P?
Women shouldn't be drafted because they are not as strong as men (generally speaking), but they still should be allowed to join the military if they please.
As for Americans going to Canada because they are scared of the draft, that statement is wrong. Some people just don't agree with the war and feel that they shouldn't die for a cause they don't believe in.
Violent acts of protest = wrong, unless the government is being very oppressive and must be overthrown.
When the Reichstag burned down, Hitler was granted "emergency power" to help "protect" the people (patriot act...?); you know what happens from there.
"Those who are willing to give up liberty in exchange for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security."
--Benjamin Franklin
Don't hold your breath DT.
Kellimus and I quoted that same line at least 20 times on SEN and the lil' kiddies still don't understand what Ben meant.
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"Those who are willing to give up liberty in exchange for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security."
--Benjamin Franklin
So the people who allowed the draft to happen in World War II deserve neither liberty nor security? (Not trying to go against anyone, just trying to understand things a little better.
My left wing history teacher who is a nice guy stated something like:
Just becuase you don't believe something is right does not make it wrong.
That above statement could go both ways for the arguement at hand.
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Dissagreement with the establishment.
they disagreed because they didn't want to go to war
those who came to canada were scared or else they would have stayed in US to continue protesting
they had a fear of dying in the war
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Don't hold your breath DT.
Kellimus and I quoted that same line at least 20 times on SEN and the lil' kiddies still don't understand what Ben meant.
why dont you explain so we do understand, instead of helping to contribute to the "ignorance" of the people
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ May 14 2006, 02:12 PM)
they disagreed because they didn't want to go to war
those who came to canada were scared or else they would have stayed in US to continue protesting
they had a fear of dying in the war
fear
why dont you explain so we do understand, instead of helping to contribute to the "ignorance" of the people
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Many people, infact (during vietnam), just enlisted before or during the draft so they wouldn't be trained into a Grunt. So they could choose their role better to get less combat.