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Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-05-31 at 17:51:58

Their has been an increase in flaming in the arts and images forum, expecially "rate my sig". people fighting about ratings. Can someone moderate it

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-05-31 at 17:59:05

Ok here's my Mod Impression:
*Ahem*
"REPORT IT"

Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-05-31 at 18:45:19

QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ May 31 2006, 04:58 PM)

Ok here's my Mod Impression:
*Ahem*
"REPORT IT"
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No, its been going on forever and no mod is ever their. i cant report every other post.

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i might be over reacting =/ and should of just pmed ip or moose =/

Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-05-31 at 19:40:01

QUOTE(n2o-SiMpSoNs @ May 31 2006, 06:44 PM)

No, its been going on forever and no mod is ever their. i cant report every other post.

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i might be over reacting =/ and should of just pmed ip or moose =/
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Global Mods are good people to PM. They aren't as busy as IP and Moose (DTBK, BeeR, or I are the best choice ATM. Will is being busy.)

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ice_Inferno_X3 on 2006-05-31 at 19:52:33

yeah...ive been flamed multiple times but sometimes I DID deserve it...

well actually now that i think about it. I didn't actually deserve. people act some uptight on these boards. lighten up yall!

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-05-31 at 22:52:03

I receive reports from Arts & Images and my inbox has been empty of such things for weeks.

Report specific instances of each and thing might happen. At a last resort, use PMs instead of posting a topic.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-05-31 at 23:14:15

I seem to come alot of flaming, I think there should be an increase in moderation in alot of forums. Not only the creative forums.

Normally people say that don't like something and it goes from there. Maybe there should be more strict rules for flaming so it is cut down.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-05-31 at 23:17:21

In general, flaming isn't the direct problem on this site; lack of politeness/courtesy is the problem. PGTour.net even made a newspost heavily emphasizing this, even among the staff members too. Being polite and well mannered is the key to prevent such things from happening. EVERY starcraft site's members can do this, except for ours. Why? If you guys want this community to be a better community, try and be like how the other people are in the other sites.

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Incase you're wondering, here's PGTour's newspost: http://www.pgtour.net/news.view.php?id=2246&db=bw

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 02:53:54

I think lack of manners is a problem everywhere. I see the problem of SEN here:

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As all of you know, our staff is not allowed to show lack of civility, or lack of proper manners towards any user, no matter their human condition, temptations and/or excuses. This means that if a user is rude, impolite, etc, our staff has to remain professional and mannered in any situation in every case and at the same time try to help the user.

SEN's staff is too "polite" to do something against impoliteness.

"Oh, he's not flaming, every member has the right to express his feelings. That's called Freedom of Speech" - Isn't this the policy of today's SEN ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but lack of manners lead to flame & fights. So why not try to cure the reason ?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-06-01 at 07:12:38

I knew what this thread was about before I read it. I agree with n2o

I don't think I ever see a moderator around there, either.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-01 at 08:40:37

I have noticed this too, its not really that big of a problem, it should be worked out on their own! People just need to learn to take it out on people in a melee game!

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-06-01 at 12:31:37

QUOTE(Jammed @ Jun 1 2006, 01:53 AM)

I think lack of manners is a problem everywhere. I see the problem of SEN here:
SEN's staff is too "polite" to do something against impoliteness.

"Oh, he's not flaming, every member has the right to express his feelings. That's called Freedom of Speech" - Isn't this the policy of today's SEN ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but lack of manners lead to flame & fights. So why not try to cure the reason ?
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With PGTour however, people naturally do not flame and are well mannered, unlike here on SEN. It's easier for the staff at PGTour because only a small fraction of the ppl flame and thus would suffer heavy consequences. Here on SEN, almost half the people here are natural flamers or bad mannered people.

The main problem isn't with our staff, it's within the people. There's absolutely NO REASON to flame or be on such bad behavior.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 13:18:44

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 1 2006, 07:31 PM)

So you'd rather not act & see how SEN rots in flame & crap then sacrifice a "Fiew" members, make the rules stricter, make some changes ?

I think it's worth trying, becawse if you don't do anything, this trend will go on.

Nevermind are the members not mannered or the staff bad, YOU MUST TRY TO DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN.

You say that you will not ban half of sen if it is flaming, but would ban 5 members if they were flaming ? Suspend the half for a fiew days to show that you're not kidding.

I don't say that the staff is bad, but the rules made by it may be better, I think. Stop being so polite & democratic, get more agressive. Different sites may need different rules. Don't say "oh, the members are bad". Yes, they may be bad, but you can develop stricter rules.

Crhrist, I'm repeating, so I'd better stop typing

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-06-01 at 13:23:22

QUOTE(Jammed @ Jun 1 2006, 12:18 PM)

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No I'm saying it isn't entirely the staff's duty to control what's going on. Sure we've got to be more aggressive and stuff, but we alone can't do the job. We need your help, your cooperation, Mutual relationship rather than a symbiotic or even parasitic relationship.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 13:28:32

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 1 2006, 08:23 PM)

We need your help, your cooperation, Mutual relationship
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But if you can't get the members to understand this, use the method of "The Whip & Donut"

*Whip as in the long stuff that is used to hit people.

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Besides, a good member has nothing to fear & he gets donuts.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-06-01 at 13:33:00

We can't do much about those few bad people who do nothing but flame or cause trouble with bad manners or such, but what the rest of us could do is just ignore them, not get drawn up into wars with them. They're just words; words can't hurt you, especially if they're over the internet. That way, those people who started it would eventually be the only ones ending up flaming and thus, would be the prime targets for us staff members

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 13:37:22

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 1 2006, 08:32 PM)

We can't do much about those few bad people who do nothing but flame or cause trouble with bad manners or such
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How about Ban without the opportunity to return ?

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 1 2006, 08:32 PM)

but what the rest of us could do is just ignore them, not get drawn up into wars with them

People will not ignore flame. It's called pride, and sometimes stupidity.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Zekling on 2006-06-01 at 13:54:31

its ironic though..... this topic might become a flame war if some heavy duty flamers come here and start saying that they have the right to flame or whatever. But yes. Something has to be done. there should be a flame warning and if you keep flaming then you either get warn increased or banned or suspended for a couple days. Its our job as members to inform the moderaters when people flame cause they cant be everywhere at once

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-06-01 at 13:56:01

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How about Ban without the opportunity to return ?

We could, but again these things have to be done carefully; such as we need hard evidence of such things happening relentlessly.

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People will not ignore flame. It's called pride, and sometimes stupidity.

And that, is the problem. People HAVE to learn to ignore these. You only make things worse if you don't. There is no such thing as a flame-free world. Many people on this site are way too sensitive to words. Keep up with this attitude later on in life, you'll blow your mind up. If people claim that they're mature on this site; the best way to show this is to ignore flames and not let them take the best of you.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 14:01:33

QUOTE(The_Zekling @ Jun 1 2006, 08:54 PM)

there should be a flame warning and if you keep flaming then you either get warn increased or banned or suspended for a couple days.
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There is one. Look cairfully & you will see "Warn level 0%" (for you I think it should be 0% becawse you didn't flame, for some it's allready 80%).

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-06-01 at 14:01:47

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Having up a sign saying "no flaming allowed" is useless. People will instead make their posts barely fail the criteria of a "flame post," which would still produce the same effect (not as severe, but the effect is still there.) Again flaming isn't the problem; the bad mannerness and lack of courtesy is the problem; flaming is the result because of a lack of this.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Zekling on 2006-06-01 at 14:06:49

i know bout the warn level but there should be one for "lack of manners". We dont want SEN to become a place full of foul mouthed people on there computers. We dont want to wake up in the morning and see the next news post full of comments like "No u F*** ur so stupid go get a life" or something. We want SEN to be an enjoyable place for all. To do this we should try and either stop flaming topics by closing them or warning the flamers to please be better mannerd.... its at least a try.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 14:09:02

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 1 2006, 08:55 PM)

People HAVE to learn to ignore these.
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What are your suggestions. How to teach them to ignore ? (The will not lear by themselves)

I just had this idea - how about making some sort of moderating duty, like "post controll". Their duty is to check all new posts, and report the ones that should be reported to global mod's. I had this idea becawse posts don't get reported much, I think. And you guys don't have the time to look at all the posts. I think it's possible to make: this "post controller" has a function, that shows all new posts that have been made on SEN. (or it may allready exist but I don't know about it)

If you have something like this allready, just ignore it.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-06-01 at 14:37:26

It's simple... just ignore it. How hard can that be? If you let words over the internet affect you that much, you're really too emotionally weak. If it's in real life, fine w/e, but this is over the internet.

Besides, like someone said before, if you really want to "get back" at that guy who flamed you or something, what's better: You flaming back, thus putting yourself at blame? Or you reporting the post and watching that guy get pwned by the moderators (but we also have to be more strict)?
EDIT: although the second one might not always get the effect you want; but at least it doesn't put you in trouble.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-01 at 14:42:48

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 1 2006, 09:37 PM)

I don't mind ignoring, but how to tell that to everybody ? You may tell that in this topic for as long as you want, not having any effect on SEN. What should be done so people ignore ?

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