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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-24 at 21:25:04
Okay, I decided that this isn't very serious. So I just put it in Lite Discussion. I just wanted to throw out my two cents and tell people why marijuana should be legal. Feel free to argue with me, I don't care. Just be warned, I will argue back.

When used correctly and responsibly, Pot can actually increase your ability to find new and innovative solutions to problems. Legalizing Marijuana would be a benefit to society. We as a nation would be improved by it. There are several reasons I make this claim. Although Pot has it's problems, it's benefits for outweigh it's consequences.

If Pot were legal, many people would switch from alcohol to Pot. I think that a lot of Alcohol abuse come from the fact that it is the only legal drug and therefore is overused. Alcohol is highly addictive, physically and psychologically destructive, and is a severe drag on society. I think that if Pot were legal that many people would switch to Pot and be much better off. I think one side effect of legalizing Pot would be a major reduction in the abuse of Alcohol and that the number of traffic deaths would drop dramatically.

The only reason Pot isn't legal is because there are a lot of people making money because it's not legal.

Another reason is to save the huge cost in tax dollars wasted in prohibiting Pot and enforcing drug laws that have no benefit to society. If Pot were legal you immediately eliminate the illegal Pot market and get rid of crime associated with Pot money. You could also release from jail all those convicted from Pot related offenses and cut the costs of having to build new prisons to incarcerate normal people. Because of mandatory drug sentencing laws, many states have to release violent offenders to make room for Pot smokers. That's stupid!

Pot has many other uses. Before the lumber industry lobbied Congress to make Pot illegal, Marijuana (known as Hemp) was the primary source of fiber for the production of paper. The United States Constitution is printed on Pot. With today's technologies this fiber can be processed into construction materials that would replace wood products saving our forests and lowering the costs of construction while producing byproducts useful in making fuels to run cars and generate electricity. Hemp is a very hearty plant and would be a good cash crop for our nation's farmers.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-24 at 22:39:41
Pot is unhealty. Smoking one regular sized joint has as much tar and toxigens as 3-4 cigarettes, and those aren't exactly healthy for you. Thing is, people will abuse that rather than alcohol, thus not furthering society, as very little is needed to stimulate innovativeness, and not much more. While I do agree that pot is better than alcohol when it comes to the psycology associated with those high or drunk. Pot = Calm, drunk ~ mean, but people on pot have as good a judgement and reflexes as those drunk, so car accidents would not go down as drastically as you say. That's all I can think of right now, so I'll end it right there.


PS. I thought the Constitution was written on parchment.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-06-24 at 22:47:16
Marijuana is not as harmful as cigarettes. You're thinking of a blunt perhaps, a cigar + marijuana blend that f*cks you up thumbup.gif
Marijuana when used responsibly can be enjoyable and healthy. It is proven that the chemical THC actually breaks down the gene in cancer cells that prohibit the detereation of the genes (thus allowing cancer cells to virtually live forever). In all, a joint a month, perhaps a week, will help reduce your chances of cancer.

Also, marijuana will inhibit your driving skills, but only depending on the person. Some people claim they drive much better high and some people may be severely handicapped while driving high.

I do however agree that if marijuana was legalized it would take every pot dealer off the street and most likely decrease crime a small percent (marijuana is not a large contributor to crime rates).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2006-06-24 at 22:51:51
I say ... "Legalize it, time to recognize it."

I drive stoned all the time. I have never been in a car accident before either. It is much much easier to drive on pot than it is on alcohol. So many people smoke pot wheather you realize it or not. I used to not smoke pot and I thought that not many people except hard criminals did drugs. Then I realized that 90% of the people in my school (An upper middle-class school) did drugs. People I would have never expected to do drugs had smoked pot at least twice in their lifetime. I mean common people, its a plant, made by God (if you believe in that). Whats so wrong with taking a plant, lighting it on fire and inhaling the contents? I would say as long as you don't hurt anyone else your free to do what you want. However strict laws would still be in place for violent or criminal acts done while under the influence of Mary Jane. The economy would be much better off is pot were legalized.

Did you know... that Marlbro and Camel have a patent on Marijuana if it is legalized in the next 5 years. Its already been recently legalized in Mexico. I believe that sometime in the near future pot will be legalized in the states with a certain age limit attached.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-24 at 23:06:50
It's still a drug, whether or not it's a plant, but I do have to agree that if you want to do it, in your own private place, with no outside interfering nor any interfering of your own, be my guest.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-24 at 23:42:21
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Pot is unhealty. Smoking one regular sized joint has as much tar and toxigens as 3-4 cigarettes, and those aren't exactly healthy for you. Thing is, people will abuse that rather than alcohol, thus not furthering society, as very little is needed to stimulate innovativeness, and not much more. While I do agree that pot is better than alcohol when it comes to the psycology associated with those high or drunk. Pot = Calm, drunk ~ mean, but people on pot have as good a judgement and reflexes as those drunk, so car accidents would not go down as drastically as you say. That's all I can think of right now, so I'll end it right there.


PS. I thought the Constitution was written on parchment.

Marijuana only poses health risks to people who choose to use it. The bud of a marijuana leaf only contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco. If Pot were legal, many people would switch from alcohol to Pot. I think that a lot of Alcohol abuse come from the fact that it is the only legal drug and therefore is overused.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-06-24 at 23:48:53
You pot approvers keep saying that it's good if "used responsibly". But I guarantee you that MOST of the people who want it legalized have no intention of using it "responsibly".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FatalException on 2006-06-24 at 23:50:10
QUOTE(Cruzo @ Jun 24 2006, 06:24 PM)
Okay, I decided that this isn't very serious. So I just put it in Lite Discussion. I just wanted to throw out my two cents and tell people why marijuana should be legal. Feel free to argue with me, I don't care. Just be warned, I will argue back.

When used correctly and responsibly, Pot can actually increase your ability to find new and innovative solutions to problems. Legalizing Marijuana would be a benefit to society. We as a nation would be improved by it. There are several reasons I make this claim. Although Pot has it's problems, it's benefits for outweigh it's consequences.

If Pot were legal, many people would switch from alcohol to Pot. I think that a lot of Alcohol abuse come from the fact that it is the only legal drug and therefore is overused. Alcohol is highly addictive, physically and psychologically destructive, and is a severe drag on society. I think that if Pot were legal that many people would switch to Pot and be much better off. I think one side effect of legalizing Pot would be a major reduction in the abuse of Alcohol and that the number of traffic deaths would drop dramatically.

The only reason Pot isn't legal is because there are a lot of people making money because it's not legal.

Another reason is to save the huge cost in tax dollars wasted in prohibiting Pot and enforcing drug laws that have no benefit to society. If Pot were legal you immediately eliminate the illegal Pot market and get rid of crime associated with Pot money. You could also release from jail all those convicted from Pot related offenses and cut the costs of having to build new prisons to incarcerate normal people. Because of mandatory drug sentencing laws, many states have to release violent offenders to make room for Pot smokers. That's stupid!

Pot has many other uses. Before the lumber industry lobbied Congress to make Pot illegal, Marijuana (known as Hemp) was the primary source of fiber for the production of paper. The United States Constitution is printed on Pot. With today's technologies this fiber can be processed into construction materials that would replace wood products saving our forests and lowering the costs of construction while producing byproducts useful in making fuels to run cars and generate electricity. Hemp is a very hearty plant and would be a good cash crop for our nation's farmers.
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I'm going to disagree. If people can't drink alcoholic things responsibly, then who says that they'll smoke pot responsibly? Also, smoking marijuana causes the same cancers as smoking tobacco does, and there can an even higher risk from weed (since there's four times more tar and a lot of other junk). |)ark_13, you said:
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Some people claim they drive much better high.
They claim that they drive better high, they don't know that, and that's only some people. Also, Cruzo said
QUOTE(Cruzo @ Jun 24 2006, 06:24 PM)
Alcohol is highly addictive, physically and psychologically destructive, and is a severe drag on society. I think that if Pot were legal that many people would switch to Pot and be much better off.
Marijuana is, too. It can have long-term effects on things such as, but not only: The ability to read, short-term memory, problem solving skills (the user can have panic attacks), and -- believe it or not -- fertility. Lastly, I agree with Kow when he said that the number of car accidents wouldn't go down drastically. That's about it for now.

The proof is in the pudding... Errr... Links:
#1, #2, #3.
ADDITION: Gah, you got me while I was typing.
QUOTE(Cruzo @ Jun 24 2006, 8:41 PM)
Marijuana only poses health risks to people who choose to use it.
I think you're forgetting about secondhand smoke.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-06-25 at 00:01:00
I don't think it is a good idea for marijuana to be used at all. Of course, neither shoudl cigarettes. Both are disgusting and unhealthy.

However, it would be beneficial to legalize marijuana because:

a) Instead of spending billions of dollars trying to stop its import, the government can make billions of dollars taxing its sale.
b) Legal or not, people still use it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FatalException on 2006-06-25 at 00:03:38
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I don't think it is a good idea for marijuana to be used at all.  Of course, neither shoudl cigarettes.  Both are disgusting and unhealthy.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-25 at 00:07:33
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You pot approvers keep saying that it's good if "used responsibly". But I guarantee you that MOST of the people who want it legalized have no intention of using it "responsibly".

That's why if it is legalized, they will attach an age usage to it. So nothing changes except for it being legalized. I know that minors will still use it, but it will be free to appropriate age users. And plus, it will finally give the government more money since it will most likely be taxed.

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I'm going to disagree. If people can't drink alcoholic things responsibly, then who says that they'll smoke pot responsibly? Also, smoking marijuana causes the same cancers as smoking tobacco does, and there can an even higher risk from weed (since there's four times more tar and a lot of other junk). |)ark_13, you said:

This is my point exactly. What makes pot more worst then alcohol? If they can legalize alcohol they can legalize pot. Actually, pot only has 33% of tar, the rest of the tar comes from what the pot is rolled in.

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They claim that they drive better high, they don't know that, and that's only some people.

How do they not know that? If they clam it, they know it. And some people is alot of people since almost 70% of America uses pot. And if they drive better then that is good, since alcohol makes you drive alot worst then why is it legal?

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Marijuana is, too. It can have long-term effects on things such as, but not only: The ability to read, short-term memory, problem solving skills (the user can have panic attacks), and -- believe it or not -- fertility. Lastly, I agree with Kow when he said that the number of car accidents wouldn't go down drastically. That's about it for now.

Marijuana has addictive properties because the dealers may sometimes drop different crap in it so the buyers come back for more and more. Marijuana its self is not.

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I think you're forgetting about secondhand smoke.

Like I said before, it's only a healthrisk if you are going to use it. If you don't use pot then your not going to hang around with pot heads. People just don't go with friends and watch them smoke. I guarantee they will try it atleast.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-06-25 at 00:11:48
Why is that I only hear "Marijuana is not addictive" from potheads?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-25 at 00:18:40
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Why is that I only hear "Marijuana is not addictive" from potheads?
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No, marijuana is not addictive. It isn't addictive because the active ingredient in it, THC, does not become a part of the body chemistry. So that then, that body, would be dependent on it just as it is dependent on water or food. That is the essence of addition; it is physiological!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-25 at 00:26:54
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How do they not know that? If they clam it, they know it. And some people is alot of people since almost 70% of America uses pot. And if they drive better then that is good, since alcohol makes you drive alot worst then why is it legal?

I would like proof of this. (the 70% part)

Also, people on drugs claim to see things or know things, but do they?


And on the addictive subject:
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No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties. Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users.

For a small percentage of people who use it, marijuana can be highly addictive. It is estimated that 10% to 14% of users will become heavily dependent.
http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Heal...marijuana.htm#6

Read it and weep.

Quoting further from the article on various topics debated in this thread:
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Someone who smokes marijuana regularly can have many of the same respiratory problems as cigarette smokers.... There are over 400 chemicals that have been found in marijuana smoke. Benzyprene, a known human carcinogen, is present in marijuana smoke. Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide are 3 to 5 times higher than in cigarette smoke.


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Recent research shows that regular marijuana use compromises the ability to learn and to remember information by impairing the ability to focus, sustain, and shift attention. One study also found that long-term use reduces the ability to organize and integrate complex information.

In addition, marijuana impairs short-term memory and decreases motivation to accomplish tasks, even after the high is over. In one study, even small doses impaired the ability to recall words from a list seen 20 minutes earlier.


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Long-term marijuana use suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system. For men, this can cause decreased sperm counts and very heavy users can experience erectile dysfunction. Women may experience irregular periods from heavy marijuana use. These problems would most likely result in a decreased ability to conceive but not lead to complete infertility.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-25 at 00:40:45
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I would like proof of this. (the 70% part)

Also, people on drugs claim to see things or know things, but do they?

Actually, it's 47% of America that actually smokes pot occaisonally. And atleast 70% of America has tryed it.

Hypothetically, yes they do see things. I never heard of a pot user to actually think they know things. Although they see things that aren't really there, makes them aware and concerned. Making them more observant of there surroundings.

And for the rest, you got me there smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-25 at 00:43:37
I still don't have proof from you about the percentage of people useing/tried pot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-25 at 00:46:43
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In 2004, 14.6 million Americans age 12 and older used marijuana at least once in the month prior to being surveyed. About 6,000 people a day in 2004 used marijuana for the first time—2.1 million Americans. Of these, 63.8 percent were under age 181. In the last half of 2003, marijuana was the third most commonly abused drug mentioned in drug-related hospital emergency department (ED) visits in the continental United States, at 12.6 percent, following cocaine (20 percent) and alcohol (48.7 percent)2.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-25 at 00:52:06
So, it's not really people, it's teenagers using pot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FatalException on 2006-06-25 at 00:52:18
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Long-term marijuana use suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system. For men, this can cause decreased sperm counts and very heavy users can experience erectile dysfunction. Women may experience irregular periods from heavy marijuana use. These problems would most likely result in a decreased ability to conceive but not lead to complete infertility.

Those pimps got pwned wink.gif Nice find(s) Kow.

ON TOPIC:
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So nothing changes except for it being legalized.

You just pwned yourself in every point you made in this whole thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-25 at 01:08:55
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Those pimps got pwned wink.gif Nice find(s) Kow.

ON TOPIC:
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So nothing changes except for it being legalized.

You just pwned yourself in every point you made in this whole thing.
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If you're going to diss me, atleast explain why because I have no clue what you are talking about. And why the hell are you popping in and out of this topic with useless stuff to say?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FatalException on 2006-06-25 at 01:11:39
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You just pwned yourself in every point you made in this whole thing.
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If you're going to diss me, atleast explain why because I have no clue what you are talking about. And why the hell are you popping in and out of this topic with useless stuff to say?
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Umm... That wasn't supposed to be an insult...

Anyways,you said that nothing would change in that post, but in all of your other posts, you were talking about how much better off we would be if pot were legalized. And... Useless?? cry.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-25 at 01:12:51
Yea, I'm not sure what he was going for, but maybe he was pointing out the way you phrased it 'nothing changes except so and so', so in essence, something did change.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-25 at 01:22:02
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Umm... That wasn't supposed to be an insult...

Anyways,you said that nothing would change in that post, but in all of your other posts, you were talking about how much better off we would be if pot were legalized. And... Useless??  cry.gif

Well, I take it as an insult if some kid sais that I pwned myself. Which I find kind of funny.

What I ment was that minors will still smoke pot... Meaning nothing would change about them.

Finally... Yes useless. For example...

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*Agrees with that*
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-06-25 at 03:09:53
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
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That article proved nothing you said.

The article states that:

{people is Americans, population is the population of America}

a) 14.6 million people (4.9% of the population) had used marijuana at least once in the month prior to the survey. This does not even convey regular usage.
b) 2.1 million (0.7% of the population) people tried marijuana for the first time in 2004.
c) 63.8% of those 2.1 million people were under the age of 18.
d) Between 1994 and 2005, an average of 46.3% of graduating high school seniors had tried marijuana. In 2005, this number was 44.8%.
e) Between 1994 and 2005, an average of 21.5% of graduating high school seniors had used marijuana in the past month. In 2005, this number was 19.8%.

This survey more or less disproves your statistics; in fact the survey would lead one to be able to say that at least 50% of the population has never used marijuana.

As I said before, marijuana is disgusting and unhealthy, but as long as people are going to do it illegally, legalize it and make money off taxing it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-06-25 at 03:24:24
Those school drug surveys can't really be trusted. Half the people I knew answered like fooles.

Example:

24. How many times have you taken Ectasy in the last month?
A. 56

25. How many times have you taken Ectasy during your whole life?
A. 2




Adn you get the point.
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