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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-08-19 at 04:32:04
This is my idea of what vaguely happened during the big bang. This is from my ideas of M-theory (the 11th dimension version) along with what other things I have concluded to be true.

Our universe is not the first universe, nor will it be the last. It is not even a universe that stands alone, it is a complex fabric entertwined with many other universes through out some other dimensional area. At our universes begining, the "big bang" the universe itself was a singularity, as in there would be no possible way to go anywhere, because anyplace you went to you would be at the center, for noplace and nothing else would exsist. All that exsisted was energy, not in any shape or quantifiable value; it was everywhere in the universe, and so it too was a singularity. Then as entropy states, things transformed from a more usable state into lesser states. The universe developed, and the pure energy became the forces we now feel, and the very atoms that make us up. (Which when you get right down to it, are nothing more then forces, there is no thing at the smallest level, simply a fuzz of where a "thing" would be.) These forces were slowly governed into a relationship depending on how the universe interacted with the surrounding universes. In this interaction, we developed three primary dimensions, throughwhich the forces were allowed to flow. The other directions that they might have been able to escape to had been tied up in other universes, whereas here they only exsist as small indefinately small loops which nothing can really travel. Visa versa, the dimensions wrapped in other universes connected to our own, creating the varying areas of travel for gravity, magnetism, and the strong and weak forces. This exchange in dimensions allowed our universe to be more than a singularity. And thusly it expanded. The key here is that our world exsists in not only one universe, but in a number of universes, creating the limitations of the forces through the path which the forces go through the multitude of universes. In other universes, magnetism may be more wide spread then gravity, or even some other force which has only been tied up in the dimensions we cannot even see is a vast expanse in another universe. It could also explain how things on a very small scale tend to "pop" in and out of exsistance everywhere.

I'm not asking you to believe it, I don't even believe it myself, but it is as close as I have learned to explaining things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-08-19 at 11:24:36
QUOTE(Rantent @ Aug 19 2006, 04:31 AM)
It could also explain how things on a very small scale tend to "pop" in and out of exsistance everywhere.

Example please?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-08-19 at 12:06:35
Socks in the laundry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-08-19 at 13:15:23
Yes, I never heard about things "popping up from nowhere" in the sub-atom level. Even if they do (as we see now), it's probably (as I believe) a result of interaction. Interaction of particles/forces that we do not know yet.

I agree that all particles are made of pure energy, and annihilation prooves it.

My theory (I'm as non-educated as Rantent is about this question):

Before the Big Bang, our universe was a dot of energy. If this dot was eternally small, I think we had no dimensions. (I think about it that way because in Black Holes, time does not exist, thus the dimension Space-time does not exist) For some unknown reason, the Big Bang happened, unleashing all that was concentrated in that dot. It required more dimensions, so they were created.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-08-19 at 15:44:14
I read it in The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene, I believe.
Here's something else I found about the subject.
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae332.cfm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-08-19 at 19:23:57
Time does exist in black holes, except that they theorize it's backwards with dimensions. I think it would be amazing if gravity could be used to create matter, but that's just reading too much Dan Brown right there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-08-20 at 00:58:16
Although I'm not really interested in the big bang theory; I'm interested in the 11th dimension, as far as I know there are only ten, what's this 11th dimension? I tried looking it up, but I thought it would be easier to get it from you. Is it different than the 10 dimension theory or something, cause I can't fathom whats in the 11 dimension boxed.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-08-20 at 07:13:54
OK the 11th dimesnion, haha...
Basically all I really know about it, is that it is what brings all the ideas of string theory together (With ten dimensions, string theory exsists in five forms, each made for specific uses) But adding this eleventh dimension made them all combine into one formula. It also introduced the idea that the "strings" are not actually strings, but "branes" which is kinda short for membrane. You can think of branes the same exact way you thought about strings, strings are in fact a brane with only 1 dimnesion, 1-Brane. However branes can be more dimensions than simply 1, and so other classes of 2-brane, 3-brane structures have emerged. It is thought now that the original smaller dimentional branes are simply the large ones wrapped up. But aside from changing strings into branes, I can't remember what else the 11th dimension does. It has something to do with the formation of new universes and things, along branes or something...
Hope it helped a little. pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-08-22 at 21:28:57
Wow...this reminds me of when I was trying to explain time travel (lol!). Anyway, I don't know much about Science, but this looks pretty interesting. If you don't believe it yourself...err...try making a theory YOU WILL BELIEVE yourself. Err, moving on...you wrote alot. And...uh, nice theory.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CAFG4reals on 2006-08-22 at 21:54:27
goddidit
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-08-22 at 22:06:51
Proof?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-08-23 at 06:10:52
ROFL No offense, but when you said 'goddidit', it struck me hilarious. God is just an excuse by religious people who are too lazy to actually listen to real proof, and feed their people with lies and old tales someone thought up. Dude, do you actually have any proof that GOD ACTUALLY EXSISTS? Did GOD DO EVERYTHING? For everything God did, there's actually A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, one to OUR LIMITATIONS that we can understand. God is way beyond our understanding, and probably doesn't even exsist to our knowledge. So, please add proof before you go saying stuff you don't know true >.>'
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JoJo. on 2006-08-23 at 10:01:27
QUOTE(Tirinity @ Aug 23 2006, 03:10 AM)
ROFL No offense, but when you said 'goddidit', it struck me hilarious. God is just an excuse by religious people who are too lazy to actually listen to real proof, and feed their people with lies and old tales someone thought up. Dude, do you actually have any proof that GOD ACTUALLY EXSISTS? Did GOD DO EVERYTHING? For everything God did, there's actually A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, one to OUR LIMITATIONS that we can understand. God is way beyond our understanding, and probably doesn't even exsist to our knowledge. So, please add proof before you go saying stuff you don't know true >.>'
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-08-23 at 10:06:47
Wow Rantent you should really become one of those people who studies things about people and the mind.

I forgot what the profession is called.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Night on 2006-08-23 at 11:12:06
QUOTE(Mini_Goose_2707 @ Aug 23 2006, 08:06 AM)
Wow Rantent you should really become one of those people who studies things about people and the mind.

I forgot what the profession is called.
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Psychologist?


QUOTE(Tirinity @ Aug 23 2006, 04:10 AM)
ROFL No offense, but when you said 'goddidit', it struck me hilarious. God is just an excuse by religious people who are too lazy to actually listen to real proof, and feed their people with lies and old tales someone thought up. Dude, do you actually have any proof that GOD ACTUALLY EXSISTS? Did GOD DO EVERYTHING? For everything God did, there's actually A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, one to OUR LIMITATIONS that we can understand. God is way beyond our understanding, and probably doesn't even exsist to our knowledge. So, please add proof before you go saying stuff you don't know true >.>'
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Honestly, the only thing that I would doubt is the Bible. It's so old how do we know if it's still true?
And the one question that divides you from me is the one question and the question that counters it...
"Can you prove God is real?"
Counter: "Can you prove he isn't?"

Anyways, who can find the philosopher who ... "philosiphied" this: "If you don't believe in god, and it turns out he isn't real, nothing happens. If you don't believe in god, and it turns out he IS real, you go to hell for eternal suffering." Because of that, he became a christian.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-08-23 at 14:04:38
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Thats what I was looking for a philosopher. You can even make your own you know what like scientology.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2006-08-23 at 17:34:45
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Anyways, who can find the philosopher who ... "philosiphied" this: "If you don't believe in god, and it turns out he isn't real, nothing happens. If you don't believe in god, and it turns out he IS real, you go to hell for eternal suffering." Because of that, he became a christian.[/b][/color]
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That was a mathematician, not a philosopher. It was Pascal, and that's Pascal's Wager. But it's flawed anyway, because there isn't just one supposed god, there is an infinite number of possible gods, and thousands upon thousands of religions. Just because christianity is the largest doesn't make it any more right or wrong, which is why this idea fails.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-08-23 at 20:34:14
I think a god would be more concerned with us being good people than caring if we believed in that god or not. I know a lot of bad Christians and a lot of good agnostics, atheists, etc.

Oh, I forgot this discussion was about the big bang... heh heh happy.gif

The big bang is the most widely accepted theory in the science world because it has the most evidence out of all the theories. You know science is starting to cut into religion when the church tries to become "liberal" about the Bible's meanings.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-08-23 at 20:43:32
Lol Scientology. I thought that religeon was about science when I saw it on the news a couple years back but untill the secrets got ripped out it looks like buttsecks on a stick.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T-MaStAA on 2006-08-24 at 02:07:54
Indeed..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-08-24 at 02:44:55
On the religious note:

Why would God make us all so different if he wanted us to be one religion?

On the Big Bang theory:

It's a good idea on the formation of the Universe, but not the creation. I believe that the universe was never created and can never end. Think of the universe as a box. Stuff can happen in the box, stuff can start and end in the box, but the box never just disappears. And don't be stupid and say something retarded like, "What if the box catches on fire?! Lawl!" Do not question the almight box...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2006-08-24 at 03:05:55
If you're thinking of it that way, then it wouldn't be right to call it a universe. That sounds more like a dimension, or existence as a whole.

I like to think of the world as a why or why not situation. As in, "There's no reason for us to exist. There's also no reason for us to not exist" Since we can't experience the "why's," all we get are the "why not's."

It's all about possibility. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-08-24 at 23:22:29
Yes, we're incapable (and most likely shall forever be) of explaining how anything exists at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-08-24 at 23:45:23
QUOTE(HolySin @ Aug 23 2006, 10:44 PM)
On the religious note:

Why would God make us all so different if he wanted us to be one religion?

On the Big Bang theory:

It's a good idea on the formation of the Universe, but not the creation. I believe that the universe was never created and can never end. Think of the universe as a box. Stuff can happen in the box, stuff can start and end in the box, but the box never just disappears. And don't be stupid and say something retarded like, "What if the box catches on fire?! Lawl!" Do not question the almight box...
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-08-25 at 02:29:58
QUOTE(FallenDreamer @ Aug 24 2006, 01:05 AM)
If you're thinking of it that way, then it wouldn't be right to call it a universe. That sounds more like a dimension, or existence as a whole.
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It's perfectly fine to call it a universe. The universe is all existing matter. A dimension is a bit different. I guess the closest you can get is by using a dimension to attribute a universe. We exist in the third dimension, so a third dimensional universe.
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