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Report, edit, etc...Posted by xMCx on 2006-08-26 at 15:14:27
QUOTE
Website Feeback

Like Martin Luther, I will nail some protests into something great. This topic wasn't created for the purpose of trolling, but was made to state some obvious facts every member should know about SEN. I have spent a good amount of time "Lurking" (Reading without posting) to gain knowlege of what this site is like. Therefore like any reasonable person I have my own opinions. If I was a troll, like some believe, I would use the site more often. So if for no reason I get a warn like Global Moderators/Moderators some times like to give, it would be well worth it. I don't ever plan on being asked to be Moderator because all Moderators are "Suck Ups" to the higher powers.

Fact List/Some Opinions
Moderators are picked on seniority, activity, and detail. (Professionalism isn't required)
99% of ideas are never even considered when they are posted in Feedback forum.
File Request Forum is needed.
Campaign Forums should be added.
Programs Forums should be added.
StarForge and SCMDraft2 forums should be removed. There have been no updates in several years.
The entire "Other" Category should be removed. Miscellaneous, Light Discussion, Serious Discussion, Creative, Games, and Welcome. The have nothing to do with the "Staredit" part of Staredit.net. The main reason to have these is for the idea that it will bring more posts to SEN, however they are not needed.
A max topic creation limit should be made in a day.
The accounts that haven't been used for downloads or loggin in in 2+ years should be deleted.
Clan forums should be hidden if they are kept.
Titles should be gained by quality/quantity of files/tutorials/reviews in the database. (So some nooblet who knows nothing about the "Staredit" part of "Staredit.net" can't gain them.
Map Making clans should be removed. They are only used for trying to prove elitism.
Global Moderators should be fined for abusing their "Topic Opening" power. 14. They will open a topic just for the sake of posting.
NuclearRabbit should be unbanned.
If clan forums are to be kept, it should be a rule that the leaders/moderators "must be democratically voted for".
The tutorial database should be in a single thread, possibly different threads for the different categories. (Then people could copy and paste tutorials from other posts.)
10 Current/Previous moderators were from Clan (U). (No other map-making clan members have ever been moderators.)
DTBK, the Global Moderator, is retired from StarCraft and thus should no longer be a moderator.
Those who don't contribute to the site, should not run the site.
CheeZe runs the tutorial database and has not created a map in two years. (Nor has he added anything recently) Also, he has recreated other people's sucky tutorials.
Tutorials should be in Wikis/Threads.
Syphon is immature and thus shouldn't be a moderator.
CaptainWill was picked because "Older Members" said he was a "respected" person. He only has one thread in map showcase. He should not be a Global
Moderator of a map-making website.
The last time Clan (U) has used their forum to showcase/tell of an in-production non-30 minute map was 8 months ago. (Clan forums are not needed.)
Clans should have a "Map Quota" requirement for a year/month.
Staff Forum: They talk about updates, who needs to be banned, and they tell people they need to do their job, as well as SENv5 details. (Like beta testing for a selected few.) They used to talk about future staff possibilities but Moose quit doing that.
"Professional Members's Ideas", such as Tuxedo Templar's, should be implemented into the site. If the staff is too unwilling they need to find a better person for the job.
High Templar Forum: Deleted, but people like Kame talked about serious life issues.
Yoshism's and Mooseisms should be reveresed.
Devilesk should be banned for being close enough to the "Hacker" to recieve a message.
Felagund, MerreL and urmom should be moderators. (It would be a nice change to the (U) Moderators.
SEN is in so much need of help it will hire "respected", non-"Intelligent SC" players to be Moderators.
Clans should be kept to "pump out desirable proffesional maps, not be symbol of elitism/egotism.
SEN channel should only be controlled by Moderators.
SEN should actually stay neutral, instead of constantly taking sides.
The IP-Tracing feature is not as effective as it should be.
Tutorial Keepers are required to have near perfect grammar when they don't fix typos/write tutorials.

Now this is when all of the "Suck-Ups" come in and tell me that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I hope every moderator and staff member responds to this. (I really don't care about people's opinion's if I don't know who they are.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-08-26 at 16:21:16
1)Agreed
2)Agreed
3)There was such a forum but it was very very inactive
4)No
5)We have a program forum already
6)Draft forum should stay as it's official and only Draft forum I know about. SF is dead.
7)No
8)Don't care
9)Agreed. Accounts made but never used should be deleted
10)Don't care
11)Don't care
12)Don't care
13)No
14)No
15)No
16)No
17)Agreed, it's like racism
18)Agreed
19)Agreed
20)Agreed, Cheeze(devilesk's friend) must be kicked out
21)No
22)Agreed
23)Agreed
24)Agreed
25)Don't care
26)I don't know what they talk there about so I can't say
27)Agreed
28)HT forum was just an expresion of elitism, it had to go
29)Agreed
30)He is already banned as far as I know
31)No, merrell should not be a moderator, ever
32)Agreed
33)Agreed
34)It is, but Cheeze abused it because devilesk asked him to do so...
35)Agreed
36)Don't care
37)Agreed
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2006-08-26 at 16:25:19
Did Martin Luther not care for aesthetics either? Lutherans must be extremely tolerant to lack of formatting.

The problem with all these suggestions is that they're targetting problems and not the sources, which are as follows:

1) The Admins have lives and can't devote as much attention to SEN as needed
2) A lot of people just don't have manners on the internet.

And both of them will remain for all eternity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pie_Sniper on 2006-08-26 at 16:26:04
» Moderators are picked on seniority, activity, and detail. (Professionalism isn't required)
Seem like good ways to pick moderators. Most of them seem pretty professional.

» 99% of ideas are never even considered when they are posted in Feedback forum.
Not considered? Yes they are, but they usually don't get implemented or get a "wait for v5".

» File Request Forum is needed.
We used to have one as a subforum in Null. It was removed?

» Campaign Forums should be added.
I agree. smile.gif

» Programs Forums should be added.
What? There is a Programming forum as a subforum of Creative.

» StarForge and SCMDraft2 forums should be removed. There have been no updates in several years.
They should not be removed. They are used for tech support.

» The entire "Other" Category should be removed. Miscellaneous, Light Discussion, Serious Discussion, Creative, Games, and Welcome. The have nothing to do with the "Staredit" part of Staredit.net. The main reason to have these is for the idea that it will bring more posts to SEN, however they are not needed.
I don't understand what is so bad about having "Other" categories. I visit a programming board, but we still have General Discussion. Also, according to this, you wish to remove the modding boards, as well?

» A max topic creation limit should be made in a day.
That might actually be a good idea.

» The accounts that haven't been used for downloads or loggin in in 2+ years should be deleted.
True.

» Clan forums should be hidden if they are kept.
Why? Explain.

» Titles should be gained by quality/quantity of files/tutorials/reviews in the database. (So some nooblet who knows nothing about the "Staredit" part of "Staredit.net" can't gain them.[)]
Maybe...

» Map Making clans should be removed. They are only used for trying to prove elitism.
You already said this. I don't see how this causes elitism.

» Global Moderators should be fined for abusing their "Topic Opening" power. They will open a topic just for the sake of posting.
Possibly.

» NuclearRabbit should be unbanned.
I believe nuclearrabbit gets a fresh start on v5?

» If clan forums are to be kept, it should be a rule that the leaders/moderators "must be democratically voted for".
We should not be able to control a clan.

» The tutorial database should be in a single thread, possibly different threads for the different categories. (Then people could copy and paste tutorials from other posts.)

» 10 Current/Previous moderators were from Clan (U). (No other map-making clan members have ever been moderators.)
Voyager, FaRTy, and Ez (the moderators of all of the Modding forums) are all from clan [MM]. Ez also moderates Null. Though, I guess your argument is valid since it isn't a map-making clan.

» DTBK, the Global Moderator, is retired from StarCraft and thus should no longer be a moderator.
Because he doesn't play Starcraft means he can't moderate a forum? This doesn't make any sense.

» Those who don't contribute to the site, should not run the site.
Why not? And anyways, those who run the site don't contribute? Take a look at v5. Not to mention paying for the server.

» CheeZe runs the tutorial database and has created a map in two years. (Nor has he added anything recently) Also, he has recreated other people's sucky tutorials.
What? The first part sounds like you want him off, and the second part sounds like praise...

» Tutorials should be in Wikis/Threads.
There is a thread about this. They might write a custom wiki for v5.

» Syphon is immature and thus shouldn't be a moderator.
Examples, please? Where has he been a bad moderator?

» CaptainWill was picked because "Older Members" said he was a "respected" person. He only has one thread in map showcase. He should not be a Global Moderator of a map-making website.
You don't need to make maps to moderate a forum. I don't know anything about CaptainWill, but he seems alright. (Albeit somewhat inactive, I think.)

» The last time Clan (U) has used their forum to showcase/tell of an in-production non-30 minute map was 8 months ago. (Clan forums are not needed.)
Clan forums aren't necessarily to showcase maps.

» Clans should have a "Map Quota" requirement for a year/month.
Maybe...

» Staff Forum: They talk about updates, who needs to be banned, and they tell people they need to do their job, as well as SENv5 details. (Like beta testing for a selected few.) They used to talk about future staff possibilities but Moose quit doing that.
You can see the staff forum? Cool!

» "Professional Members's Ideas", such as Tuxedo Templar's, should be implemented into the site. If the staff is too unwilling they need to find a better person for the job.
You mean the chatbox?

» High Templar Forum: Deleted, but people like Kame talked about serious life issues.
Okay?

» Yoshism's and Mooseisms should be reveresed.
What are these?

» Devilesk should be banned for being close enough to the "Hacker" to recieve a message.
Or maybe someone hates Devilesk so they tried to get him in trouble? And besides, he was already banned for unrelated reasons.

» Felagund and ur[m]om should be moderators. (It would be a nice change to the (U) Moderators.)
I like them.

» SEN is in so much need of help it will hire "respected", non-"Intelligent SC" players to be Moderators.
All the people who moderate mapping forums can make maps. Anyone who moderates other forums does not even need to know how

» Clans should be kept to "pump out desirable proffesional maps, not be symbol of elitism/egotism.
What? I'll admit the clans seem inactive.

» SEN channel should only be controlled by Moderators.
It isn't? I don't visit OP SEN.

» SEN should actually stay neutral, instead of constantly taking sides.
Neutral with what? You mean like against unprotectors and EUD actions?

» The IP-Tracing feature is not as effective as it should be.
What feature is this? What does it do?

» Tutorial Keepers are required to have near perfect grammar when they don't fix typos/write tutorials.
No one catches every typo. Why would they write tutorials? That is not their job.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-08-26 at 16:45:15
1. I guess that's why IP chose me to help him resort all of the moved topics. After all, I have seniority over all of.......?

2. Most ideas aren't possible under v4, as the coding ability is limited under IPB. The other ones are usually under too much controversy to be generally liked/accepted.

3. Agreed.
4. Agreed.
5. Already have one.
6. Doesn't really matter to me, but I see where you are coming from.
7. SEN is more than just a mapping site, it's a community.
8. What would it be?
9. Absolutely
10. Hardly, sometimes they have tournaments, and the 30 minute mapping contest is good for mapping skillz.
11. Elitism isn't all bad. If you ask a (U) member for advice, it's likely he knows what he's talking about, as compared to some other random clan member.
12. Post count doesn't mean anything anyway.
13. For one, it's nuclearrabbit. No capitals. Two, I agree. biggrin.gif
14. Clans are to be run the way the members want it run.
15. Don't really get what you mean by that.
16. It's almost as if an "elitist" clan winds up with....elite members!
17. He contributes more than YOU do.
18. Eh, I somewhat agree, but again, this is a community, not JUST a mapmaking site.
19. Isn't revising crappy tuts the Keeper's job?
20. Wiki FTW.
21. Syphon is grossly more intelligent than you, and more mature as well.
22. Respect is all in perspective. He's very fair, and quite smart.
23. Clans are for COMMUNITY. Not just making a map with a label on it.
24. Clan [MM]? You lose.
25. Are you complaining or something? They need a place to do that.
26. Just because you make damn good maps doesn't mean you know how to manage a site or a community.
27. It wasn't a good idea to begin with.
28. He is already?
29. urmom and Fela I agree with.
30. It's meant to be able to identify who is skillful and who is not.
31. When has it not been neutral?
32. Blame IPB.
33. Yep.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-08-26 at 16:45:58
Well for the clans ideas, I would say let the clans choose what to do. Their forums should be kept open incase members want to learn about the clan or join the clan. I agree that some of the global mods don't play Starcraft much but they are mature and handle spam posts and such well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-08-26 at 17:01:48
QUOTE(xMCx)
Now this is when all of the "Suck-Ups" come in and tell me that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I hope every moderator and staff member responds to this. (I really don't care about people's opinion's if I don't know who they are.)


Wait wait wait, I thought you were campaigning against elitism?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-08-26 at 17:18:19
[quote=xMCx,Aug 26 2006, 12:14 PM]
Like Martin Luther, I will nail some protests into something great.[/quote]
Just don't start hating women like he did. tongue.gif

[quote]Moderators are picked on seniority, activity, and detail. (Professionalism isn't required)[/quote]
So? Seniority shows they've been around a long time and know the system. Activity shows they'll be on constantly to monitor the forum. And to be perfectly honest, not all Mods are chosen based on these qualifications.

[quote]99% of ideas are never even considered when they are posted in Feedback forum.[/quote]
True, though its not called the "SEN Idea Forum" for a reason.

[quote]File Request Forum is needed.[/quote]
Why? You can just ask for maps in a different forum.

[quote]Campaign Forums should be added.[/quote]
What's the point? Any map being made goes in "Maps in Production" and any complete map can be shown in "Map Showcase." Or if you mean the premade campaigns by Blizzard, they are irrelevant to SEN (if you consider the whole "Other" forum to be irrelevant).

[quote]Programs Forums should be added.[/quote]
You mean aside from the SCM Draft and StarForge forums? Oh wait you want those removed. Contradiction?

[quote]StarForge and SCMDraft2 forums should be removed. There have been no updates in several years.[/quote]
Yet people still have questions. Maybe you should get people to stop using an outdated program rather than killing the forums that help use them.

[quote]The entire "Other" Category should be removed. Miscellaneous, Light Discussion, Serious Discussion, Creative, Games, and Welcome. The have nothing to do with the "Staredit" part of Staredit.net. The main reason to have these is for the idea that it will bring more posts to SEN, however they are not needed.[/quote]
Actually I see them as being a nice way to get your mind off of map making for a short while and talking about something else for once.

[quote]A max topic creation limit should be made in a day.[/quote]
Why? I never see people make at least 10 topics in a day.

[quote]The accounts that haven't been used for downloads or loggin in in 2+ years should be deleted.[/quote]
Finally I agree with you on something.

[quote]Clan forums should be hidden if they are kept.[/quote]
The idea of the clan forums is so that map making clans are integrated into SEN. The clan forums bring in new members who later branch out to the other forums of SEN, and the same concept works for existing SEN members who want to venture into clan forums.

[quote]Titles should be gained by quality/quantity of files/tutorials/reviews in the database. (So some nooblet who knows nothing about the "Staredit" part of "Staredit.net" can't gain them.[/quote]
As in remove "Regulars" and "Elites?" I think the Regular title is easy to get, but the lack of "Elites" shows that it isn't easy for some "nooblet" to get.

[quote]Map Making clans should be removed. They are only used for trying to prove elitism.[/quote]
Says who? Here, I'll say it again: "The idea of the clan forums is so that map making clans are integrated into SEN. The clan forums bring in new members who later branch out to the other forums of SEN, and the same concept works for existing SEN members who want to venture into clan forums."

[quote]Global Moderators should be fined for abusing their "Topic Opening" power. They will open a topic just for the sake of posting.[/quote]
So if the topic's creator closes it after his post, does he close it for the sake of getting the last word?

[quote]If clan forums are to be kept, it should be a rule that the leaders/moderators "must be democratically voted for".[/quote]
Why? Leaders aren't democratically voted for in the actual clans. Its kind of ironic that you hate the clan forums so much when just a few months ago you wanted one for your remade (MC) clan.

[quote]The tutorial database should be in a single thread, possibly different threads for the different categories. (Then people could copy and paste tutorials from other posts.)[/quote]
There's no point to this. People can just link to the tutorial pages. Its easier than copy/paste.

[quote]10 Current/Previous moderators were from Clan (U). (No other map-making clan members have ever been moderators.)[/quote]
And why is that an issue. Maybe you fail to realize this, but the creator of SEN was a member of (U). And no one seemed to care.

[quote]DTBK, the Global Moderator, is retired from StarCraft and thus should no longer be a moderator.[/quote]
Global Moderators shouldn't need to be active map makers to do their job. If they're good at monitoring the forum then they're good at their job.

[quote]Those who don't contribute to the site, should not run the site.[/quote]
Oh you mean IsolatedPurity? Yeah he doesn't contribute much.. aide fromt he fact that he pays for the site and does all the coding for it.

[quote]CheeZe runs the tutorial database and has not created a map in two years. (Nor has he added anything recently) Also, he has recreated other people's sucky tutorials.[/quote]
So there are no new tutorials to be added. I don't see a point. You do realize people submit tutorials to CheeZe and then he posts them, right? Perhaps no one has sent him anything.

[quote]Tutorials should be in Wikis/Threads.[/quote]
Already suggested... by a (U) member.

[quote]Syphon is immature and thus shouldn't be a moderator.[/quote]
Okay. Nice opinion.

[quote]CaptainWill was picked because "Older Members" said he was a "respected" person. He only has one thread in map showcase. He should not be a Global Moderator of a map-making website.[/quote]
I don't have any threads in map showcase. Actually, most members here don't. What does that prove?

[quote]The last time Clan (U) has used their forum to showcase/tell of an in-production non-30 minute map was 8 months ago. (Clan forums are not needed.)[/quote]
Why do they need to talk about maps? The idea of the clan forums was to talk about clan business. Which they do.

[quote]Clans should have a "Map Quota" requirement for a year/month.[/quote]
Okay. And each clan would achieve that quota. "30 Minute Maps" would obviously count.

[quote]Staff Forum: They talk about updates, who needs to be banned, and they tell people they need to do their job, as well as SENv5 details. (Like beta testing for a selected few.) They used to talk about future staff possibilities but Moose quit doing that.[/quote]
Okay.

[quote]"Professional Members's Ideas", such as Tuxedo Templar's, should be implemented into the site. If the staff is too unwilling they need to find a better person for the job.[/quote]
Okay.

[quote]High Templar Forum: Deleted, but people like Kame talked about serious life issues.[/quote]
What does this have to do with anything?

[quote]Yoshism's and Mooseisms should be reveresed.[/quote]
What is "reveresed?" Oh you meant "reversed." Yeah, I still don't get what this has to do with anything.

[quote]Devilesk should be banned for being close enough to the "Hacker" to recieve a message.[/quote]
So if the hacker just randomly decided to PM you, you should be banned as well, correct?

[quote]Felagund, MerreL and urmom should be moderators. (It would be a nice change to the (U) Moderators.[/quote]
Okay.

[quote]SEN is in so much need of help it will hire "respected", non-"Intelligent SC" players to be Moderators.[/quote]
Like who? SEN had Bolt_Head who retired and Tuxlar doesn't want the job. So who do you suggest they get rid of and who they should be replaced with?

[quote]Clans should be kept to "pump out desirable proffesional maps, not be symbol of elitism/egotism.[/quote]
As far as I can tell, there is no elitism by any hosted clans. All the clans I see that boast about themselves don't have forums here but want them.

[quote]SEN channel should only be controlled by Moderators.[/quote]
The channel is not part of the website. It used to be run by Yoshi, but he retired.

[quote]SEN should actually stay neutral, instead of constantly taking sides.[/quote]
Like in what context? As far as I can tell, SEN is pretty neutral - except on the topic of unprotecting maps.

[quote]The IP-Tracing feature is not as effective as it should be.[/quote]
Okay.

[quote]Tutorial Keepers are required to have near perfect grammar when they don't fix typos/write tutorials.
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What's the point of this one as well?


You know, after writing all that I realized one main fact that you forgot:
You do not run, own, or operate StarEdit.Net. It is a website owned by IsolatedPurity. He and whoever he appoints as his administrators have the right to give power to whomever they wish. We can call this a community, but its really their website. If you hate it that much, leave and make your own "community" forum, and attempt to keep out elitism and seniority.

EDIT:
Reached the quote limit. Oh well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Desperado on 2006-08-26 at 17:28:34
xMCx is just angry I banned him from Op SEN. That's what this is allll about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-08-26 at 17:32:02
I figured he was only angry because the whole Mind Control (MC) remake thing didn't work out for him. And that's where all the unchecked aggression against clan forums would come from. My mistake. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Desperado on 2006-08-26 at 17:34:54
1) His clan failed.
2) I don't love him.
3) He hates DTBK (to be fair, who doesn't?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2006-08-26 at 17:44:01
QUOTE(Desperado @ Aug 26 2006, 05:28 PM)
xMCx is just angry I banned him from Op SEN. That's what this is allll about.
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Well then his anger is pretty reasonable, can't you just gulp down whatever came between you two and unban him?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Desperado on 2006-08-26 at 17:46:33
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Well then his anger is pretty reasonable, can't you just gulp down whatever came between you two and unban him?

He is not permabanned. He gets unbanned every 24 hours or so. He's certainly not banned right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-08-26 at 18:02:57
QUOTE(xMCx)
99% of ideas are never even considered when they are posted in Feedback forum.

I agree. I think Moose is afraid to give a new idea a try.
QUOTE(xMCx)
The entire "Other" Category should be removed.  Miscellaneous, Light Discussion, Serious Discussion, Creative, Games, and Welcome.  The have nothing to do with the "Staredit" part of Staredit.net.  The main reason to have these is for the idea that it will bring more posts to SEN, however they are not needed.

I totally disagree. I visit this forum mainly for the discussion part. Kill the discussion and you will kill many people like me.
QUOTE(xMCx)
A max topic creation limit should be made in a day.

Do you really think that people spamm with topics ?
QUOTE(xMCx)
The accounts that haven't been used for downloads or loggin in in 2+ years should be deleted.

I had a similar idea about removing unused accounts. Only the criteria of deletion was a bit different.
QUOTE(xMCx)
Global Moderators should be fined for abusing their "Topic Opening" power.  They will open a topic just for the sake of posting.

If you think taht we have SUCH PATHETIC moderators... oh well, I guess every person has his/her right for an opinion.
QUOTE(xMCx)
DTBK, the Global Moderator, is retired from StarCraft and thus should no longer be a moderator. 

If he retired it doesen't mean that he doesen't know anything.
QUOTE(xMCx)
Syphon is immature and thus shouldn't be a moderator.

I can agree with that, but he has an easy forum (Games), so no worry.
QUOTE(xMCx)
CaptainWill was picked because "Older Members" said he was a "respected" person.  He only has one thread in map showcase.  He should not be a Global Moderator of a map-making website.

This site is not only for map making (Yes, map making is it's primary subject, but other subjects are here as well to provide us with choice and boost our interest). CaptainWill is (by my opinion) the most mature SEN member. And he has what it takes to be a moderator.
QUOTE(xMCx)
"Professional Members's Ideas", such as Tuxedo Templar's, should be implemented into the site.  If the staff is too unwilling they need to find a better person for the job.

This brings us back to the first phrase quoted by me in my post.
QUOTE(xMCx)
Yoshism's and Mooseisms should be reveresed.

How ? Oh and by the way... why ? If you want to worship Moose, go ahead, I simply don't care as long as you don't affect me.
QUOTE(xMCx)
Devilesk should be banned for being close enough to the "Hacker" to recieve a message.

He is already banned.
QUOTE(xMCx)
Felagund, MerreL and urmom should be moderators. (It would be a nice change to the (U) Moderators.

Felagund - no. Marrell - he is one of the staff membrs already. urmom - I have nothing against him.
QUOTE(xMCx)
SEN should actually stay neutral, instead of constantly taking sides.

Example ? Please explain yourself.

QUOTE(Desperado @ Aug 27 2006, 12:34 AM)
3) He hates DTBK (to be fair, who doesn't?)

I simply don't care.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-08-26 at 18:15:37
Martin Luther actually left and founded his own church. Get the hint?

I only found about four of those to be facts. Anything involving "should" is an opinion. When I get some time, I'll break down the list for you.

QUOTE(xMCx @ Aug 26 2006, 03:14 PM)
So if for no reason I get a warn like Global Moderators/Moderators some times like to give, it would be well worth it.

A warn given for "no reason" should be reversed. Judging by your clean warn record, I don't see how this affects you (unless, of course, you've been previously warned on a second account?).

QUOTE
I don't ever plan on being asked to be Moderator because all Moderators are "Suck Ups" to the higher powers.
All right, then. Challenge time. Find me an example of EVERY global moderator who, BEFORE THEY WERE APPOINTED, made a post sucking up to a higher power, which directly led to them gaining power.
Or is that too much work for you? Now you know how I feel.

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99% of ideas are never even considered when they are posted in Feedback forum.
I think you meant to say "implemented" and not "considered". I read EVERY freaken ENTIRE topic in Feedback, so don't tell me 99% of things in there aren't considered.

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Campaign Forums should be added.
*thinks*

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Titles should be gained by quality/quantity of files/tutorials/reviews in the database.  (So some nooblet who knows nothing about the "Staredit" part of "Staredit.net" can't gain them.
I don't completely agree, but I do agree that posting = higher membergroup is a bad system.

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If clan forums are to be kept, it should be a rule that the leaders/moderators "must be democratically voted for".
Clan leaders moderate their forums, just like they would if they hosted them external of SEN. If you don't want a clan leader moderating you.... stay out of his forum. They can't warn you.

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The tutorial database should be in a single thread, possibly different threads for the different categories.  (Then people could copy and paste tutorials from other posts.)
Do you have any idea how big this thread would be? GG dial-up users.

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DTBK, the Global Moderator, is retired from StarCraft and thus should no longer be a moderator.
CaptainWill plays StarCraft? tongue.gif

QUOTE(xMCx @ Aug 26 2006, 03:14 PM)
CheeZe runs the tutorial database and has not created a map in two years.  (Nor has he added anything recently) Also, he has recreated other people's sucky tutorials.
Let's kill off all the retired people too. They may have experience at whatever they did for 20+ years of their life, but they can't do it anymore....

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CaptainWill was picked because "Older Members" said he was a "respected" person.
I asked maybe... two people what they thought of CaptainWill when I hired him.

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Staff Forum: They talk about updates, who needs to be banned, and they tell people they need to do their job, as well as SENv5 details. (Like beta testing for a selected few.) They used to talk about future staff possibilities but Moose quit doing that.
Said by a non-staffer, this means a lot to me. I don't see how this a point or suggestion.

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Yoshism's and Mooseisms should be reveresed.
Reversing all the Yoshisms requires deletion of the site.

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Devilesk should be banned for being close enough to the "Hacker" to recieve a message.
Devilisk was banned already. You do realize, however, that he would be perfect for framing?

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The IP-Tracing feature is not as effective as it should be.
I love how you PMed me last night just to find this one out. IPB code sucks, I've been saying that for quite some time.

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Tutorial Keepers are required to have near perfect grammar when they don't fix typos/write tutorials.
Yeah, I think it's time to crack the whip on the old Tutorial Keepers.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xMCx on 2006-08-26 at 18:16:29
I'm not Luthern. fear.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-08-26 at 18:29:15
QUOTE(xMCx @ Aug 26 2006, 03:14 PM)
99% of ideas are never even considered when they are posted in Feedback forum.


http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=33873 IP is considering this one.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=33968 Also being discussed!
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=33958 Being implemented!

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File Request Forum is needed.

Agreed... what happened to it? confused.gif

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Programs Forums should be added.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showforum=80

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StarForge and SCMDraft2 forums should be removed.  There have been no updates in several years.

They're also being used for technical assistance.

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The entire "Other" Category should be removed.  Miscellaneous, Light Discussion, Serious Discussion, Creative, Games, and Welcome.  The have nothing to do with the "Staredit" part of Staredit.net.  The main reason to have these is for the idea that it will bring more posts to SEN, however they are not needed.

All work and no play makes for a very dull site.

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A max topic creation limit should be made in a day.

Why?

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Clan forums should be hidden if they are kept.

That defeats the purpose of having clan forums on SEN.

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Map Making clans should be removed.  They are only used for trying to prove elitism.

I wonder, would you be saying this if (MC) had a fourm?

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If clan forums are to be kept, it should be a rule that the leaders/moderators "must be democratically voted for".

Why?

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10 Current/Previous moderators were from Clan (U). (No other map-making clan members have ever been moderators.)

First you complain that people that know nothing about SC shouldn't be moderators, and now you complain that people that DO know mapping (such as those in Clan (U)) are moderators. As someone already pointed out, Clan [MM] members moderate forums. Rantent is a member of Clan Chef and he moderates forums. Moogle (former moderator) was a member of... almost every clan in existance.

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DTBK, the Global Moderator, is retired from StarCraft and thus should no longer be a moderator. 

I didn't realize that not playing SC made it impossible for you to be able to stop flaming/spamming.

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Syphon is immature and thus shouldn't be a moderator.
CaptainWill was picked because "Older Members" said he was a "respected" person.  He only has one thread in map showcase.  He should not be a Global
Moderator of a map-making website.

Obviously, the admins think otherwise about Syphon. CaptainWill is one of the most impartial and mature people I know. He's perfect for a moderator spot.

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The last time Clan (U) has used their forum to showcase/tell of an in-production non-30 minute map was 8 months ago.  (Clan forums are not needed.)

Thanks for the update.

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"Professional Members's Ideas", such as Tuxedo Templar's, should be implemented into the site.  If the staff is too unwilling they need to find a better person for the job.

No offense to Tuxedo Templar (and I do think his idea is a good one), but just because someone's respected/good at mapping doesn't mean that they always have good ideas.

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SEN is in so much need of help it will hire "respected", non-"Intelligent SC" players to be Moderators.

Oh my god, we're hiring intelligent and respected moderators? What a horrible thing to do!

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SEN should actually stay neutral, instead of constantly taking sides.

As a website, SEN is always neutral, since it cannot think. The SEN staff is also neutral in conflicts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-08-26 at 18:31:02
Back in the day I did and said some pretty immature things. A lot of people will say that I've grown up a bit, and while I'd agree with them, I'll not contest any decision regarding myself that the administration makes.

Moose, he actually has some good and valid points. Do you want to be the priest that gets charged with raping small boys or the person that fixes up the "church?"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xx.Doom.xX on 2006-08-26 at 18:33:26
Whats wrong with Clan Forums....

And maybe some (U) people are moderators cause they have more experience than the average map-maker obviously or they wouldnt be in (U).

Sry but i dont feel like stating my own opinion on every request you put.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-08-26 at 18:38:33
QUOTE(Desperado @ Aug 26 2006, 04:34 PM)
1) His clan failed.
2) I don't love him.
3) He hates DTBK (to be fair, who doesn't?)
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I like him. And I honestly cannot undertsand why so many people don't

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(No other map-making clan members have ever been moderators.)


Is that a fact? What about the moderators that don't play StarCraft. And the modders.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-08-26 at 18:40:23
Oh, I think DevliN would make a good moderator. He seems to be impartial (as far as I've seen him). When Syphon was picked, I didn't think he was mature enough for the job, but I think he's turned around a good bit. CaptainWill is an excellent moderator.

*Edit* What happened to Deathknight? I've not seen him around for many months (though he's a good friend of our little problem child Devilesk).

While CheeZe can be rather erratic in the channel, he's a nice enough fellow.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xx.Doom.xX on 2006-08-26 at 18:43:59
QUOTE(Syphon)
I like him. And I honestly cannot undertsand why so many people don't


Yea, not really sure whats wrong with him. Only that he removed my 1.9 avatar (see signature) tongue.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-08-26 at 18:50:33
QUOTE(Felagund @ Aug 26 2006, 05:40 PM)
*Edit* What happened to Deathknight? I've not seen him around for many months (though he's a good friend of our little problem child Devilesk).
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Deathknight's account got banned after he made a double. He made a double because he lost his passwords when he reformatted his comp. He's les inspecture chocolat, or something now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-08-26 at 19:44:04
Actually, It's L-Inspectuer Chocolat.

I see Moose created the new Campaigns forum.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-08-26 at 20:07:28
QUOTE(Felagund @ Aug 26 2006, 03:40 PM)
Oh, I think DevliN would make a good moderator. He seems to be impartial (as far as I've seen him).
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Thanks for the consideration. I know this is off-topic (kinda), but I just figured I'd say thanks anyway.

I'm not completely impartial, though. I'm sure people can find plenty of posts of mine (specifically in the "Discussion" forums) where I'm completely biased toward a subject. But other than those controversial topics, I'd say I'm pretty indifferent.
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