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Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-08-28 at 17:39:39
Over the past few weeks (and sometimes in the past), I've been thinking why we or any organism exists. Taking a look at evolution, life began as single celled organisms, and after countless millennia, the dna of those single celled organisms mutated trillions of times into the complex multicellular humans of today. Now unlike any other organism, only humans were given the power of knowledge that led to the society of today, but why didn't any other organism gain such intelligence? It's as if we humans were chosen to become intelligent, yet I see no purpose for this intelligence, which sometimes leads me into depression....

What's your opinion of this?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-08-28 at 18:03:12
My opinion is this: Evolution. Intelligence is a survival trait--no choosing is necessary. Why didn't other species get this ability? Because when you're a killing machine on legs you don't need it. Somewhere along the line, mutations made the ancestor of humans and apes. Since it couldn't survive any other way, it evolved intelligence. Now, you say, the odds of this are very low. I won't argue with that. But with so many planets in the universe and so many varieties of life on this one, SOMETHING was bound to become inttelligent.

So I would say, no, there isn't a grand purpose to intelligence.

But is there a purpose to being alive? In the grand cosmic sense, I would say no, there isn't. The universe doesn't care if we live or die. But in the personal sense, I would say that yes, there is plenty of purpose to being alive: to experience things, to learn, to grow, to enjoy what you can--to exist. In my mind, being alive is, philosophically speaking, its own purpose.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp(U) on 2006-08-28 at 18:07:19
All that exists exists for some scientific reason. Every species has their own degree of intelligence, it just so happens that this species (us) is very intelligent. The way I see it at least.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-08-28 at 18:13:25
One word: Reproduction
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-08-28 at 18:21:25
Do we have to start this all over again? yawn.gif

Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-08-28 at 18:23:54
QUOTE(Lord_Agamemnon @ Aug 28 2006, 03:02 PM)
My opinion is this: Evolution.  Intelligence is a survival trait--no choosing is necessary.  Why didn't other species get this ability?  Because when you're a killing machine on legs you don't need it.  Somewhere along the line, mutations made the ancestor of humans and apes.  Since it couldn't survive any other way, it evolved intelligence.  Now, you say, the odds of this are very low.  I won't argue with that.  But with so many planets in the universe and so many varieties of life on this one, SOMETHING was bound to become inttelligent.

So I would say, no, there isn't a grand purpose to intelligence.

But is there a purpose to being alive?  In the grand cosmic sense, I would say no, there isn't.  The universe doesn't care if we live or die.  But in the personal sense, I would say that yes, there is plenty of purpose to being alive: to experience things, to learn, to grow, to enjoy what you can--to exist.  In my mind, being alive is, philosophically speaking, its own purpose.
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QUOTE(Mp(U) @ Aug 28 2006, 03:06 PM)
All that exists exists for some scientific reason. Every species has their own degree of intelligence, it just so happens that this species (us) is very intelligent. The way I see it at least.
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If there is no purpose to life, then why should it be physically possible for life to come into existance?

QUOTE(Doodan @ Aug 28 2006, 03:13 PM)
One word: Reproduction
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The purpose to reproduction is to allow new generations of life to exist, though people now mainly do it for pleasure....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SunMoon_Emperor on 2006-08-28 at 20:21:18
If I did not exist, I would be very bored.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-08-28 at 20:23:39
QUOTE(SunMoon_Emperor @ Aug 28 2006, 05:20 PM)
If I did not exist, I would be very bored.
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You would have never felt any emotion, thought, or instinct feeling if you would have never existed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-08-28 at 20:29:35
Nope, no reason or meaning. Welcome to Nihilism.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-08-28 at 21:23:00
QUOTE(xmrxsiegecopx @ Aug 28 2006, 05:23 PM)
If there is no purpose to life, then why should it be physically possible for life to come into existance?


That statement makes no sense. Justify it, please; I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Not everything needs to have a purpose. Asteroids, for example, don't exactly do anything important for the universe. If you believe in God, then yes, he must have had some reason for creating the universe. But there doesn't necessarily need to be a philosophical reason justifying a thing's existence to let it exist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-08-28 at 21:25:52
So long and thanks for all the fish! biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xmrxsiegecopx on 2006-08-28 at 21:58:40
QUOTE(Lord_Agamemnon @ Aug 28 2006, 06:22 PM)
That statement makes no sense.  Justify it, please; I'm curious to hear your reasoning.  Not everything needs to have a purpose.  Asteroids, for example, don't exactly do anything important for the universe.  If you believe in God, then yes, he must have had some reason for creating the universe.  But there doesn't necessarily need to be a philosophical reason justifying a thing's existence to let it exist.
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There isn't any purpose for life to have come into existence. All that life is about is simply reproducing to create additional organisms into existence, burdening them with natural selection, so that the organism will either reproduce and die, or will be killed before the possibility of reproducing. Even worse, organisms that are born without reproductive organs or have lost them before reproducing will have lost all possibilities of ever reproducing, making it's existence completely pointless and uncontributing to the existence of its own kind, sometimes even resulting in extinction to the extreme. A perfect example of this is us humans of today. There is a great chance that we may wipe out our existance, along with millions of other species of life, just for immoral reasons. Even if humans or other life forms somehow manage to exist, the sun will expand into a supergiant red star in a few billion years, obliterating all life on Earth. And if somehow, we manage to survive that, then what? Finding other planets around the universe that may possible suitable for life? Inevitably though, the universe will continue to expand indefinately and all the stars in the universe will eventually lose all of its heat and it will be impossible for life to ever exist, making life truly pointless. In my poinion, life is ultimately nothing but torture until death.

Although my family is of Christian belief, I lost belief in it after taking science, so
no, I don't believe in God.

Now I feel worse after rereading what I posted....
QUOTE(Kow @ Aug 28 2006, 06:25 PM)
So long and thanks for all the fish! biggrin.gif
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What are you posting about?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-08-28 at 22:05:46
He's talking about Douglas Adams and that wholly remarkable book, The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

So you believe that life is torture? That since we can't ever win, we should just give up now? Life is pointless? For the universe's purposes, yes, life is pointless. The universe doesn't care if you live or die. It doesn't care if any of us lives or dies. But that's like saying that since you'll die anyway, you shouldn't bother eating.

The purpose of your life is what you choose to put in it: every one of us makes his or her own purpose. It doesn't matter to me that the Sun will eventually destroy the planet or that the Universe will die. For one thing, I won't be around for it. For another, there's nothing I can do about it.

If you can't prevent something from hapenning, you might as well enjoy what you can while you can. Not that I'm proposing hedonism or irresponsibility, but I don't see why we should worry too much about the end of the world when it's inevitable and we have much more enjoyable things to do with our lives.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-08-28 at 23:02:15
QUOTE(xmrxsiegecopx @ Aug 28 2006, 05:39 PM)
Now unlike any other organism, only humans were given the power of knowledge that led to the society of today, but why didn't any other organism gain such intelligence? It's as if we humans were chosen to become intelligent, yet I see no purpose for this intelligence, which sometimes leads me into depression....

There probably were (Neanderthal ring a bell?), but they would be a threat to the species. Thus, they got killed off. They weren't modern humans who would sit around in a Congress and declare war, they would just kill them off.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-08-28 at 23:05:21
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But with so many planets in the universe and so many varieties of life on this one, SOMETHING was bound to become inttelligent.

Yes, the chances of me getting Royal flushes every single poker game is also unlikely. But, come on, with the infinite amount of universes out there, I juts happened to be in the one where I win every poker game ^_^
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-08-29 at 01:57:47
Really need a goal in life? Outlive the longest-lived person in medical history (survive until your 123rd birthday).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-08-29 at 04:28:27
QUOTE(Doodan @ Aug 29 2006, 01:13 AM)
One word: Reproduction
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Ants also reproduct, but have a less developed brain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-08-29 at 09:26:13
QUOTE(Jammed @ Aug 29 2006, 04:28 AM)
Ants also reproduct, but have a less developed brain.
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Did I tell you that the ants are more smarter then beetles and cats? And one ant colony equals 1 humans brain.

But if you think that life is nothing then guess what. Another thing is death. Every human eventually falls to it. So if you do for 3 months mope about life then every second of your life is being wasted.

But I always think that animals know the secret of life but humans must figure it out for themselves.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-08-29 at 09:56:09
QUOTE(Mini_Goose_2707 @ Aug 29 2006, 04:25 PM)
Did I tell you that the ants are more smarter then beetles and cats? And one ant colony equals 1 humans brain.

Maybe if you sum their IQ's tongue.gif Can a colony of ants calculate 3*3 ? I doubt it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-08-29 at 14:47:23
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Aug 29 2006, 12:57 AM)
Really need a goal in life?  Outlive the longest-lived person in medical history (survive until your 123rd birthday).
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That's my new goal in life. If I acomplish this goal I'll mention you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-08-29 at 21:23:13
QUOTE(Syphon(MM) @ Aug 29 2006, 01:47 PM)
That's my new goal in life. If I acomplish this goal I'll mention you.
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We can race.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-08-30 at 05:34:17
There is no point in life, there is no point in not having life though either. There is no point in anything, but why not do it? You can go live a life of doing nothing, I will go and live life to the fullest simply cause I can.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-08-30 at 15:51:46
The reason why we live is that evolution has taken us to this stage of life.

ADDITION:
QUOTE(Rantent @ Aug 30 2006, 03:33 AM)
There is no point in life, there is no point in not having life though either. There is no point in anything, but why not do it? You can go live a life of doing nothing, I will go and live life to the fullest simply cause I can.
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If you have lived your life doing nothing, then you would have been filled out your life, because if you haven't filled out your life, it would be holes in your life where you can't say if you had lived or not.
That's just my subjective thought of life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2006-08-31 at 23:39:10
QUOTE(xmrxsiegecopx @ Aug 28 2006, 03:39 PM)
Now unlike any other organism, only humans were given the power of knowledge that led to the society of today, but why didn't any other organism gain such intelligence? It's as if we humans were chosen to become intelligent, yet I see no purpose for this intelligence, which sometimes leads me into depression....

I don't think humans are really the most intelligent of living things on this planet. Dolphins and octopi are pretty smart.. I think humans just have the curiosity and creativity, and figured out ways to make tasks easier with tools (most other animals have a natural form of defence and capturing things; humans have their creativity to use materials to create weapons and tools.)
Also somewhere along the timeline of human things, a miracle happened and people gained languages. If other animals had a definite language and not just sounds that just have a meaning (I.e.: growl. How hard would that be to figure it out... for anything that could hear it?) I'm sure they would be able to pass on ideas, information, etc. and gain knowledge.

Human intelligence is just evolution at its best... or worst. tongue.gif
... People are just idiots and decided they wanted to control the entire planet and kill everything else off.
Sometimes I think "intelligence" is actually the opposite of itself.


Squirrels also throw twigs, stones, and nuts at you. People aren't the only creature who have grasped that concept. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-09-01 at 11:55:30
QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ Aug 31 2006, 11:38 PM)
... People are just idiots and decided they wanted to control the entire planet and kill everything else off.

Are you implying that intelligence = extinction?
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