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I have an idea how to start the original idea about having premium maps. This unlike other ideas, recuires no coding at all and we won't have to wait till v5. This idea recuires no judges, so there's no elitism. With this idea, nobody will have to play over every single map in the DLDB.

Ok, here is the plan.

We create a new forum called "premium maps". This is where people will nominate maps for premium status.

Assign 3+ DLDB keepers or people who has access to DLDB CP to moderate the new forum. These should be the most trusted and fair keepers.

Now when we have a forum, we create a new category in DLDB called "Premium maps". This is where all the good maps will be placed.

People will nominate a map by posting a topic(poll) in the new forum. When posting the map you should provide the topic with links to download. And post a good description about the map. Like in showcase.

Members will post reviews and discuss either the map should or should not be in "premium maps" category. The poll is to count the total possitive and negative votes.

To get this premium status, map will have to get certain amount of possitive votes, like 10 or 20. And a number of good references and reviews. Good grounded reviews will count more than just yes or no.

The keepers assigned to "premium maps" forum will have to read these topics and accept or denie premium status to the map. Once a map is accepted it will be moved to the new category.

The forum rules should be 1 topic per member at a time. If a member spams his own maps at the same time he can be simply banned to access "premuim maps" forum. The same goes to members who post false reviews and stuff.

It's simple and possible on v4 without any coding. Let's give it a try.

A map's quality in this method is based on opinion. I prefer the coded version with a rubric.

I like the idea but 1 topic is too little maybe at least 2-3. To maybe express that if one map is declined then the other is accepted. Besides things are always flooded,
Havent you seen the maps in productions?

So far it took us 3 topics...

I think this is the best idea we got for today.

Any way we do this it will be based on oppinions. silly.

After the last 2 topics, this is definitely the best idea that is v4 compatible. I'd try to de-emphasize the number requirement.. if there are 6 powerful reviews that all say "wow, this map amazing," and no one else voted on it, I'd definitely say that it should get in.

Also, is there some way we can make it so a map gets "bumped" if it doesn't get the attention it deserves?

Perhaps there should be a rule where you can't post your own map, then. When you make a topic, it has to be for another map that you support (and maybe give an explanation as to why it get your support).

Another option is that when a map of yours is declined, then you can make a new topic. In other words, you can only have one active topic at a time. When one topic gets a ruling, you can make a second, and so on.

A key aspect to this to maintain quality and not simply make it a "most popular maps" forum is the ability to post your own map.

You could always strongly suggest in the forum sticky/faq to get opinions on it before you post it to see if others agree that it is a really good map... I don't really think overposting will be a problem in the section.

EDIT: Oh ya, left something out. Maps in productions is so flooded because a lot of people post projects that will never be finished, or ideas they "just came up with" and never end up working on. This will be not only finished maps, but very high quality ones, as well.

I already mentioned that in the topic. 1 topic per member at a time.

The reason I was worried about people posting their own maps is that it would seem that people would want to post every thing they've got for popularity reasons. I mean wouldn't you want something of yours in the Premium maps section and enjoy that recognition?

And I felt people should nominate other maps because I'd expect to see a few (U)Bolt_Head maps on that list, but obviously he's not here to post a topic about them himself, ya know?

Yea, your kinda right. I would like to have 3 maps of mine in the premium maps. Any other map I've made I wouldn't want there, though.

Yup. Unfortunately for me, I have nothing worth putting in the Premium Maps section. That is until I somehow someday finish Monopoly and it actually turns out pretty good. Until that day comes, I'm a reviewer more than a Premium map maker.

Was another thread necessary?



Someone will obviously have had to have played the maps to know they're good or not. We could rely on the public for submitting the maps to be reviewed, but not for reviewing them (see below). It might not be fair to all maps in the DLDB, but it'll do for limited resources. Judges'll be required, though, or else it'll turn into a popularity contest. Elitism would only be a problem if there's no diversity in the group of reviewers.


In fact, now that I think about it, I say we could do this process with only judges. Polls are stupid, because people only vote for what they like (assuming they even vote at all). Except as a way to filter the obviously poor entries, it'll risk being a popularity contest for many maps. You won't get the kind of informed, diversified feedback good UMS maps deserve from people voting for stupid crap like Strip Sakura, Sunken D 2-way, and all that trash. You get it from those who've seen many maps and know what defines quality; not just what's popular. These are the only people you want giving feedback to decide on anything "Premium" in the first place.



I say devise a way to get a hold of those people, and use them as your judges. My earlier idea was to incorporate rep and rewards, but if we're gonna be too chickencrap to do any coding (which'd actually make things easier, when you think about it) then just elect fresh people to be the judges every few months or so and be done with it. That way we not only get a diversifies set of informed opinions, but we keep the roster fresh so those on it won't stagnate over time.

Tux your not understanding the core of this thing again. We don't need jusdges. Members will be out judges and reviewers. People can't post up anything much about sunken D or any of that kind. Your trying to make it to complicated, while it can be done pretty simple.

Well anything can be done simple by making it a compromise. I'm talking about doing it right.


I've seen how polls and votes and stuff have turned out before many times. They almost never do justice to the things that deserver it.

Polls in the plan are only for seeing total possitive and negative oppinions. Reviews and references will be the main thing.

I also think it may be a good idea to make the posts not polls, just discussion-based through each other's reviews. Everyone should be able to write their opinion, though.

I think there was a reason for a new topic, because this is the kind of system we all had our mindsets on in the last topic.

Also, we can say that you can either nominate your own OR someone else's map. You can just nominate 1 map at a time either way.

I think polls would help a bit. Like there is difference it's 20 yes and 20 no, or there is 35 yes and 5 no.

OK, so now the main question is: Do we need judges ?

Re-re-re-thinking it all convinced me that we do need them. If you look at SEN's maturity you will underill be only people that I do not wish to name, maps that should be premium won't be, I bet my sox on that. We need strict and reliable judges, as well as we need NO polls. Polls will not show the truth with SEN's maturity level. Think about it this way... what is easyer - writing a quality review that covers all the aspects of the map or just voting in the poll only after looking at the map's name (didn't like the name - vote negative).

SEN is a website and it has members. This feature is for the members, so they can download the good maps. I belive that the members should decide whichs maps are good or bad not certain "judges". The whole idea about having certain people decide about our maps makes me sick.

So, the idea of Tuxedo Templar, fritfrat(U), Kenoli(U), (U)Bolt_Head (and other people) deciding wich map is good and wich not makes you sick ?

See the (U)? By saying that they are better than me or you. Yes, that makes me sick...

Yeah, (U)Bolt_Head is definitely the type to suddenly return from retirement on his great flaming steed to promote (U) maps and denounce all others. I say we make DEAD, master of fairness, the judge.

You know I didn't mean it like that. I mean saying that certain people oppinion is better than mine or any other member's oppinion.