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Okay, I'm going to make a list of some short term and long term goals here. I need input and suggestions from anybody who wants to offer. Expect posts to be deleted for organizational purposes!

Improve SEN

1. Get v5 released
a. I was going to make this big topic when v5 was release, but I got tired of waiting and made it now. -_-

2. Stimulate Map Production
a. More active Map Spotlight.
b. More SEN sponsored contests?

3. Improve Community Base

4. Rewrite Rules and Policies?
a. Improve enforcement of rules and policies?
b. Moderator's code of conduct.
c. Write out sets of forum specific rules.

5. Revive Map Night
a. Get channel bot when StealthBot upgrades.
b. Spontaneous tournaments with mineral prizes?

6. DLDB
a. Implement stricter quality controls.
b. Improve Reviews system.

QuickLink to DTBK's 7, 8, and other suggestions

*Red2Blue Gives a standing ovation.

We should definitely do that, and that, and that.

However, we have to remember that starcraft itself is an old game and outdated albeit.

There's just so many other cutting edge games out there...

The lack of attention to SEN is a direct result of other games and of loss of interest in Starcraft itself.

WoW. *cough* WoW... :/

ADDITION:
(You sure have a lot of minerals moose. Want to donate to the "red needs to get 7777 minerals again, fund"?). ^.^

well, i'm thinking any activity in the community would be beneficial. the activity doesn't even need to be map/mod making, map/mod playing work just as well. just anything to to get the community talking and hanging out together. hopefully, this would reestablish a cooperative and active coommunity that would serve as a base for bigger community projects and such.

so, basically, map night revival, spontaneous playing tournaments, and SEN mapmaknig tournaments are a must. these should be more vigorously 'enforced'(i could think of a better word ). in addition to longer SEN tournaments, quick map making tournaments should crop up too(longer than 30 minutes, maybe like 2-3 days). also, people should be encouraged to 'step up' and start their own spantaneous tournaments and such. to just go gather a bunch of SEN people and have a quick tournament or something.

when you have a stronger community, projects like the SEN quilt bound hopefully have more success. this would probly also apply to something like the SEN Boot Camp.

Ok come on the age issue has been an issue for like 4 years now. No worse now than it ever was, except with recent nonsense like domain ownership and the whole OSMAP affair as catalysts.


One thing to go along with the DLDB reviews upgrade would be a way to forward discussions for individual entries to a given existing thread, if possible (so comments on the entry get forwarded to the thread itself). That way discussions about a given entry stay in relatively the same place, which would help for reviewing, posting updates, etc.

I don't know why I never suggested this before, but we really need an active DLDB Keeper's choice section or something similar for the DLDB.

EDIT - Also, I feel like when a DLDB Keeper approves a map they should give it their own score and that score would kind of eclipse the community score we have now, which I never really thought was indicative of the map's actual quality.

Why not make the maps in the DLDB more organized, and allow users to have a section or pop-up display for their favorite choices on maps, allowing higher spreading on maps?

Or maybe initiate some sort of "RPG" type system where people can improve themselves in some manner in ways of participating in SEN?

Or just release the SEN v5...

You know that hasn't worked before, Moose. The Binary and Überena tourneys were both flops.

To be honest it sounds all well but will that really help any?



In what ways? Other then that 1 question sure why not?




A : Stealthbot still works, I could load the bot if you were generous enough.
B : Didn't you already mention more contests already?



A : Could you explain what you mean?(I'm english disabled o.O)
B : Good idea

Whatever happened to mods? The modding forums are actually quite interesting, and more attention should be given to it. SEN should focus more on becomming a map & mod-site, not just a map site.

What would this mean in reality? Mainly making a more distinct modding-part of the site, I suppose (Currently all modding downloads are under the "Mapping" part of the menu for example).

I'd like to see more focus on awesome mods and TCs, and not just have maps in the spot light. Campaign Creations made some terrific campaigns that used modding in their days of glory, and I'm sure that SEN could accomplish the same.

SeN = StarEdit.Net = Starcraft Map Editor D:



How about for each map someone makes, based on how good it is, they get some minerals. From like 1-10 maybe?

lmfao, 1 - 10 minerals isn't very much, you'l;l get more from making a production post.

That would be a good idea, I'd say 1-100 minerals, and minerals will actually mean something in v5.

Contests are great motivators for people to make maps, the more contests you hold -- the better.



By enforcement you meen it becomes fairer then i like it . And a moderators code of conduct would be nice because some times it just feels like, what they say goes and if you object to the slightest part of their logic, they will get picky on every little thing you do in order to warn you 20-60% more then you are already at.



If by spontaneous tournament you meen pin the tail on moose or strip rantent then im in .



Deffinately seed out all the bad maps in DLDB it just makes finding the map you want harder when there is like 10 different versions of cat and mouse in the way.

Welcome to the revolution. Give em hell Moose.

Finally!

And what do you mean "Improve community base" are we weeding out people?

We should build a communist castle!

If I had specifics, why would I be posting this thread? I'd go ahead and DO the things to fix it.


Agreed. Maybe a modding spotlight or something.


Enforcements means things don't swept under the rug or just never spotted. Less people get away with fewer things.


Improve the quality of posting, weed out some bad people, things like that. We can't force people to be nice and helpful, but we can destroy those who are really mean and hopefully inspire the middle of the road people to be nice and helpful.

As for the DLDB.... I propose we shift the DLDB from being a giant database of functional yet possibly terrible maps to a smaller database of maps that are pretty good.

I think in contest if the rules didnt say that the map had to be started when the contest started. That would make newer map makers more willing to join in a contest I think, because alot of new mapers take their sweet time to do things cause well they arent as fast as regular map makers

Bring back Armies! Well, and upgrade it. If you want to brainstorm or get a committee together to decide how it should be made this time around, PM me.

Also, minerals should be worth more. Triple all the character requirements for minerals in v5.

We need to work on SEN all over, from reinvigorating the community to making the site itself genuinely more fun to be in. My suggestion to you is that you should all go check out v5 as it is right now. It's actually looking sexier and sexier. IP is doing a great job with its format.

Actually this is really doubtful. If you'd notice the turnout for every monthly map contest we have, less than 10 maps are submitted. More contests each month would make that amount drop even further.

And I like the idea of spontanteous tournaments. I was all up for the Binary D Tournament, and the only reason it failed was because one team never responded. So if we were to do that again, I'm sure it would work as long as each team really is willing to participate.


I agree that the rules of the monthly contestst should be amended to show that the map can be started before the first date of the contest, but cannot be in any other SEN-sponsored contest from that day onward (to prevent people submitting the same maps each time).

But I think it should change for the exact opposite reason that kookster thinks it should. Newer map makers can comlete maps fast, but they generally aren't very good. And of course, experienced map makers can bust 'em out quickly as well. I've noticed that more experienced map makers tend to take their time in order to perfect their maps. Take a look at Tuxlar, for example, who wanted added time to the "Robots" monthly map contest in order to finish Mechnogears. Now, it still not finished and the contest is long gone.

Rather than have a mod spotlight, why not just incorporate it into the map spotlight? Rename the map spotlight something like The Spotlight.

Also, if you want to make the spotlight more active, you should probably get someone to dedicated to updating it bi-weekly or something.

If we had enough quality maps to put into the map spotlight, that would be one thing, but right now, there aren't really that many maps to put up there, and forcing more maps up there would lower the spotlights standards. I don't think SEN having more contests (as in creating maps; not playing them.) would be a good idea. There is usually always one going on, and I'm not sure if anybody can handle anymore than that.
I don't really see that big of a problem with the community base, but I sort of see some sort of elitism or discrimination among some of the older members and newer ones.
Even if you do re-write the rules and stuff, will they be read? Probably not... the new version will still have the same affect. People know what and what not to do..
Moderator code of conduct sounds good, along with specific rules for each forum, but they would all probably be the same too... Actually, the only one I really see that needs it's own set of rules would be misc.

A channel bot would be nice, but at the same time not needed... if there is nobody in the channel in the first place.. What type of tournaments would these be..? Minerals have no worth, find a reason for us to even have minerals in the first place..

I think you should keep the amount of maps youhave in this DLDB, but at the same time have a recommend section... so I guess you can find good maps in both their appropriate section, and the "recommended" section" You can break down the recommended section even more if it gets too big, too.

Yes please. A monthly poll wouldn't hurt. If you keep hosting the monthly contests, then it could be 15 days of contest winners and 15 days of poll winners.

Yes please. Gaming tournaments are very attractive. Remember how many people signed up to my CTF tourney? Maybe assign some people like DLDB keepers to host monthly tourneys on map night. They could find maps good for tournaments like cool CTF maps or Uberena. Or it could be poll wise.

Note: This requires some extra discussion but you get the main idea.

Maybe start with banning people who are trying to make it worse. Well thats what I would do.

(terrorists)

The rules in v5 look very thought of, so I don't know about re-writing them. But you shouldn't run around changing our long standing policies. You should only strenghten them. Because if you do run around changing policies it will make many people who wish us bad happy and many other people unhappy. Thats will make a drama never seen before and any tries to "Improve Community Base" will fail after that.

If that improves our job then go for it. You need more moderators willing to read every single post in their forum and moderate the bad ones. Like me.

I wouldn't count/wait on updates that sure. Is it the only good bot for SC?

On one hand I would say, yes we need stricter quality controls so only good maps are in our DLDB.

On the other hand, I remember when I first joined SEN. I didn't even know about other editors or anything mostly because of the lack of internet but I was map maker for a long time. So I kept making funny maps on my good old staredit. I though that I am a very good map maker but then one day I run across SEN. I was amazed about things in DLDB, about terrain forum, about everything. I finished one of my noob maps, it wasn't nothing good. And submitted it to DLDB, I knew that it won't stand out comparing to other maps but it was very very important to me as it was my first published map ever. I would be very discouraged if it would be denied for the DLDB. And maybe wouldn't become what I am now in map making. I removed the map myself when I understood it's noob map and doesn't fit in DLDB.

If you mean Tux's method, I never understood it.

It does still work anyway, even though Stealthbot 2.7 isnt out. You just have to keep connecting until it works. usually always works for me like the 10th time connecting.

I was just saying let users review DLDB entries freely and give them rewards for doing so (based on quality/depth of review). To keep out abusive reviews, just have the DLDB keepers apply the same process for reviews that moderators use for moderating posts.

No, SB is not the only bot for Battle.net... There are a bunch of others, a few of them may be backdoored, though..