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I am assuming everyone on SeN has at least heard of the recent nuclear testings NK has taken. Not only did this testing has caused enormous earthquake all over the world, but also questioned the recent power of United States as World Police.

From the recent article i have read (click here), America has no intention of invading North Korea. Despite the obvious proof that North Korea is acting not much different from the situation of some nerdy kid is going up to a 300-pound-wrestler asking for a fight.

America's Foreign Affair administration has waged war on terrorism especially in Middle East. Starting back with Iran, Kuwait, Afganistan, Israel, and most recently Iraq, America has been interested in the Middle Eastern politics ever since WWII.

You want proof? Look at Katsura-Taft Agreement. Type that it into the wikipedia and read up on America's terrible "global police."

I am sick and tired of how America has dealt with Foreign Affairs lately. Starting with waging war against Afganistan, one of the weakest nations in the world, Americans have failed at almost everything with Foreign administration. Also, the choice to fire missiles at the Iraqi civilians for belief that there are "weapons of mass destruction" buried in the desert was also terrible. 2000 something American soldiers died in the war against terrorism? Something like 2500 Iraqi civilians died LAST SEPTEMBER.

Why the heck are we leaving North Korea to roam the Korean Peninsula with terror while all America does is govern the oil-rich middle east?

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O yea, btw, America is trying to pass resolutions to punish NK for testing nuclear weapons. I totally believe that Kim Jung Il is gonna care about what America has to say when NK government clearly said, "if the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures."

Not to mention that South Korean Prime Minister Han Myung Suk already told Parliament that SK doesn't give a **** about UN's new resolutions.

China is getting to that stage where it is a superpower and thus has a 'sphere of influence.' North Korea is firmly within the Chinese sphere and I think that the US would think twice before interfering in China's back yard.

Bad relations between the US and China would be in nobody's interest. If something must be done about NK, it will be China that decides when and who.

Isnt China going to punish NK?

It's China's and Russia's job to keep an eye on North Korea.

Russia is republic now right?

Cptn. Will, what r u talking about? China is with us, they're the ones who who were the deciding factor at the most recent UN meeting in NYC on 10.9.06. They agreed that Chapter 7 Sanctions need to be enforced regarding N. Korea. How are we "interfering in China's back yard"? They're probably going to be the ones tellin N. Korea to straiten out or else they're gonna pull the carpet of economy right out from under them. The reason that Bush isn't making any immediate move in the direction of a frontal attack on N. Korea is because he's counting on China acting as the father and give N. Korea a stern talking to, and if they disobey again, that dad is gonna teach the kid a lesson through dwindling resources.

Thank God China agreed with the rest of the allies.

Blacker - you've only heard a part of the news, if you want to say something about it; please be informed more carefully. ( On the part, the whole situation isn't them and us, so if you were referring to the U.S., China isn't entirely on their side. ) China refers to a more peaceful resolution in a nuclear crisis. Although, the NK nuclear detonation is doubted right now; it wasn't powerful enough and a normal Tomahawk (200kt nuclear) missile from a nuclear submarine holds about 100 times the firepower compared to the NK's nuclear test.

If the U.S. invades NK, it is disturbing China's back yard.

North Korea is at the verge of cracking. It is driven economically into the fall of the government. "For the security of our land" is just another excuse to throw all the nations into hell as far as they could before they die off.

Officials simply feel that the conventional explosives surrounding the nuclear bomb were the only things that exploded. there was a malfunction. Then i believe yesterday, i heard that there was an un confirmed "2nd nuke test"? does anyone know more about that?

If you were China would you want a buildup of US forces on your doorstep?
I'm not saying that China isn't going to side with us, I'm just saying that as the regional superpower it will be 'annoyed' if the US takes unilateral action. China is in charge in East Asia, not the US, and it is they who will have the final say in NK's fate. As you've mentioned, they can pull the carpet out from underneath the NK economy. They also have a security council veto which means that they can have some control over any action taken through the UN. What I'm saying is that if the US goes outside the UN (ala Iraq) in NK, then China will probably see it as meddling.

No, because they are two different countries with two different languages.

China doesn't care about N.K. but China wants a peaceful solution. ( or so they say ) And thats exactly the opposite of what Bush is gonna do and thats whats gonna make U.S. reconsider.

Is China even democratic?

Socialist not democratic.

Diax? One of the late leaders of China opened up some free enterprise and freedoms in China during the 90's, not sure about now though.

Capn' Will, I take it that your a bit left wing eh? I love when people refer to other countries as being, "in charge" of.... well, anything. Let me tell u right now, whatever the situation may be, in any circumstance, it ends with the U.S.. China may have a billion people, but that doesnt mean sh*t to us. There is only one super power in the world and it aint China, or GB or anyone else who thinks they have a say in what goes on. No other country on this planet has the ability to do whatever they want.

Uh, you do realize that China DID counter the American offensive on North Korea which basically ended the Korean war with a stalemate. Cause if you did, I'm pretty sure you would know that America can't do whatever they want, sure maybe in the middle East, but definetly not in China's backyard.

We did find Weapons of mass destruction, over 500 chemical bombs. But then the Liberals were talking about that those chemicals were over hundred years old and would not have any effect.

chemical weapons didn't exist a 100 years ago if you mean it by the weapons of mass destruction.

To Blacker - Please don't post your thoughts so frontsided.

Hence the inverted commas.



I'm not affiliated with any side of the political compass. If anything I'm centrist but I don't see what political leanings have to do with the issue.

I'm trying to think realistically here. As has already been mentioned, China held a US-led coalition (I think it was NATO) to a stalemate in the Korean war. At the time, China was a real mess. Now it is going through its own industrial revolution and starting to embrace freer markets. It has a large and reasonably well-equipped professional army, with the potential for many more recruits. Korea is just a short march away for China, but would be a logistical nightmare for the US. North Korea's rugged terrain would also hinder the US emphasis on a combined-arms war of mobility.

China isn't stupid - it's aware of the advantages it has. The US has influence in the region but it's going to be China that's calling the shots.

Try to look at the whole picture before gloating about the US being able to do 'whatever it wants.'

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Since when has a language barrier stopped a powerful country from defending its regional interests?

GTi please keep your bullcrap to yourself, unless you have some hard evidence for that cracked out theory of chemical weapons being found.

Captain Will is correct when he speaks of meddeling in Chinas backyard. In a war, China would pwn the US. As of now, the US Army is at its capacity. We are getting our asses romped by men living in caves. Even Bush has admitted it, so why don't you guys get with the program and realize we are not gods. Maybe take a lil' peak at the Military Commissions Act of 2006, passed earlier this month.

US has military problems in Iraq now, so until they live and restore, the US won't start serious wars. It can influence a country with money though - it can turn out to be cheaper than war. (but I agree that it may be very difficult to influence NK somehow, they're too isolated)

If the US does invade NK, I doubt that China will get into the fight. The cost may be too high. It would be better to support anti-american ideas in NK after the US takes it over to destabilize it from the inside.

The NK people already have a super duper anti-american ideas.

Romped? Thats a little bit of an overstatement. You defiantly could say that if Afghanistan isn't what it is right now. You could say that if Iraq didn't have multiple elections or created it's own constitution.

What you can say is that the militants and foreign fighters in Iraq have successfully bogged down our forces from creating an Iraqi security force that can successfully defend the new Iraqi government with out our help.

China:

I do agree with you though that in a GROUND war we defiantly right now could not win. BUT, we can defiantly strike China with conventional bombs and seaborne missiles and basically bomb it back to the stone age, and I'm not kidding you, we got the fire power to do it almost untestedly. Right now we just don't have the grunts to land in China, nor the HOMELAND support even if China attacked us first.