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I've been doing html in class (it's pretty easy class) and i've got the hang of how it all works out. However i want to move onto something more sophisticated such as php.

The main theme for this is basically asking;
where can i learn php? can you teach me php? what do i need for php?

Any links to sites with a relatively good guide to php (when i say good i mean shows me the tags and tells me what they do)

PM if you would be kind enough to help me out with php.

List of software i could do with to write out php or enhance the quality of my website.

html takes about 5 seconds, all the tags are simple. If you want to know php, here:http://www.php.net/ also, for just about every language is here:http://www.w3schools.com/! Good Luck, and javascript is a good tuffy to go for!

HTML is not programming, it's like using forum tags, but somehow more complicated. PHP requires a lot more of effort, and it's only needed if you need dynamic pages. I would recommend you to consider if you actually want to program PHP, because if you are just dedicated to web design, and not to the coding of dynamic pages, i would rather recommend you to learn css or javascript.

CSS is kind of made for html, it is used in xhtml to do what is not alowed in xhtml from html, such as text styles and some other things. Javascript would be what would really give you a test!

thanks for the suggestions i did consider CSS and / or Javascript however i wanted to know codes like php where i can help people out with web design and what not. It's not like i'll be creating a site too soon but knowing all the languages / codes to do so can benefit me and / or people i would help.

php is made for forums, if this is what you meant by wnting to help the members of SEN, it may already be too late, because by what you will be able to learn in the amount of time, once you can even say anything, v5 will be up for a while, but you can try!

I wouldn't say I knew HTML if I didn't know CSS.

I would, but I wouldn't say I'm ready to go on to Javascript/PHP.

HTML -> CSS -> PHP -> Javascript. THat's the order. I find PHP much easier then Javascript, but some people find that the opposite is true, so you can move the last 2 around. But CSS goes after HTML, no discussion.

I think it's better to find a tutorial that teaches you them both simultaneously, so you don't have to unlearn how you did things in pure HTML.

CSS -> HTML -> XML -> DHTML -> Javascript/VBScript -> AJAX -> PHP/Python/ASP/Perl -> SQL.

At that rate, it will take him a year or so until he gets to PHP, especially if he finds Javascript as hard as I do. Doesn't AJAX often/always require the use of PHP?

PHP is made for dynamic content, and it just happens to be that forums need dynamic content, but PHP is not made for forums.

» CSS -> HTML -> XML -> DHTML -> Javascript/VBScript -> AJAX -> PHP/Python/ASP/Perl -> SQL.

1. CSS can't be learned without HTML.
2. XML before you learn PHP?
3. DHTML is the collective use of HTML, HTML DOM, Javascript, CSS, or similar languages, and is not a language in itself.
4. VBScript isn't worth learning.
5. Most people don't need to know AJAX, and it would be learned after PHP, most likely, anyways.

Ok i've made the decision to go with Centreri's route.



Maybe switch Java and PHP around that is yet to be decided. Any links for learning CSS or help would be much appreciated.

I learnt CSS before HTML, InvisionFree forums made me.

Yes. Although there's no real reason, it's nice to have a few more tags.

It's only the simplest parts of Javascript for very slightly dynamic pages, so it introduces you in.

I know, but it's still clientside scripting.

Oh yes they do.

Under normal circumstances it's impossible.

It's nice, but I never had any reason to learn XML. XML is like an addon.

DHTML isn't a language, and DHTML is worthless without a solid base in Javascript.

VBscript is inferior to Javascript; it's just a waste of time in 99% of all cases.

Who needs AJAX as a must?

Go straight to real programming. Like C# or C++.
Just kidding.

I went like this:
HTML\CSS -> Javascript(for a day) -> PHP\MYSQL -> C++ -> C#

Right now im working on a music player in C#. The ID3v2 tag spec format is gay. I've seen some retarded file formats, but this one is just dumb. Whoever made it should be shot.

PHP is much more usefull than javascript. Not because javascript sucks, but because serve side languages are more useful than client side languages. I basically skipped javascript as I really don't care about all the fancy website crap. When it came to writing login\logout systems, polls, visitor count, etc... it's PHP all the way. I also used PHP to simplify my website and made it easier to update.

HTML > CSS > Javascript > PHP

CSS is just a continuation of html, it doesn't really use anything special, just basically links things.

I never really cared much for PHP, because I don't really like forums. (making them that is)

Javascript is probably my favorite, because you can use it to actually expand the limits of the web. It makes them DYNAMIC!

Javascript makes fancier pages, but PHP makes fancier sites.

This has just converted into a discussion over what language codes are harder and what steps to take to get to them. Does it really matter, Shocko just wanted to know what he sjould do next, Schocko decide from php, css, or javasript.

Posting to correct our 'mistakes' is just as (or more) useless then our discussion of the languages.

i went to http://www.lissaexplains.com
then i went to html > css
and i understood some of it for the most part but i didn't really understand how i would change something like the scrollbar color can somebody give me an example or please clarify what the person is saying?

You can only change its color on IE using the attributes scrollbar-face-color, scrollbar-highlight-color, scrollbar-3dlight-color, scrollbar-shadow-color, scrollbar-darkshadow-color, scrollbar-track-color, and scrollbar-arrow-color in the body element.

< style type="text/css">

body
{ scrollbar-face-#000000 }

< /style>

something like that?