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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gamma on 2006-10-21 at 06:23:14
DTBK's Flaws
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a - days as a member of SEN

Does not matter at all. "Old Timer" Dynasties shouldn't exist.
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b - post count

Does not matter at all. How much you live on SEN does not matter. DTBK's 4000 posts are not greater than 400 members posting 100 posts.
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c - posts per day

Does not matter at all. Simply means you use the forum more often.
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d - member rating from 1 to 10

Popularity Contest. Polled from the polling booth?
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e - #of members who rated the person

Contributes to Popularity Contest. Also impacted by how long you have been a member.
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f - admin rating of member starting at 1.000 and bounded from 0.500 to 1.200)

Dependent on how much you kiss the admins ... Dependent on not getting into arguments with them, even if they are wrong.

Example to make better: Basically member groups should be based on production/quality of work

Moose's

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Improve SEN

1. Get v5 released
a. I was going to make this big topic when v5 was release, but I got tired of waiting and made it now. -_-

2. Stimulate Map Production
a. More active Map Spotlight.
b. More SEN sponsored contests?

3. Improve Community Base

4. Rewrite Rules and Policies?
a. Improve enforcement of rules and policies?
b. Moderator's code of conduct.
c. Write out sets of forum specific rules.

5. Revive Map Night
a. Get channel bot when StealthBot upgrades.
b. Spontaneous tournaments with mineral prizes?

6. DLDB
a. Implement stricter quality controls.
b. Improve Reviews system.


Example to make better: Privately distribute OSMAP to staffers so that they can unprotect maps to get details from them. Add the details in a neat way to map information. Basically make detail features more appealing with screenshots, etc.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)MinigameEast on 2006-10-21 at 06:25:56
cross out 5a its complete. happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-10-21 at 06:42:47
Uh, currently there are no plans to implement DTBK's system (from what I understand). Also, you should've posted this in the thread about his system instead of making your own topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-21 at 07:31:45
QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
DTBK's Flaws

You mean his system's flaws, right?

QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
Does not matter at all.  "Old Timer" Dynasties shouldn't exist.

In my experience, I tend to trust members who have been around longer - and I don't necessarily mean on SEN only.

QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
Does not matter at all. How much you live on SEN does not matter.  DTBK's 4000 posts are not greater than 400 members posting 100 posts.

A higher post count suggests that the member's activity is pretty good.

QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
Does not matter at all.  Simply means you use the forum more often.

That's the point. Activity is good.

QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
Popularity Contest.  Polled from the polling booth?

Everything on SEN is a popularity contest.

QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
Dependent on how much you kiss the admins ...  Dependent on not getting into arguments with them, even if they are wrong.

I'm pretty sure I'd have a high rating and I've never "kissed" the admins. tongue.gif I just try not to do anything I know I'll get in trouble for (whether I agree with it or not).

QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:22 AM)
Example to make better: Basically member groups should be based on production/quality of work

Without basing this on peer ratings, post count, or days at SEN, how else do you suggest pulling this off? There is no automatic mechanism that can check the maps you've posted and grade them for you as well as logically understand what it is that you post on SEN and then judge you based on the thoughfulness and relativity of your posts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-10-21 at 07:40:31
"Activity is good" is not always true. Morons can be active also.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-10-21 at 08:26:37
That's why you can give morons a bad user rating.
I'm seriously not going to even respond to all of those, half of them don't make sense, no need to beat a dead horse either..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-21 at 11:16:40
Gamma seems to have a problem with everyone, he just got done telling how bad Mp is and how it should die, now he is targeting admins? I personally dont think there is anything wrong with DTBK's system for v5, it is better than what is used in v4.1! More complex things always are, most the time
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-10-21 at 12:25:38
Gamma, how come you always seemed so opposed to just about anything the staff does? And why would the staff spend their time unprotecting maps for any reason at all?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-10-21 at 12:31:03
Gamma, we don't want you here, go away ohmy.gif.

There are no plans to implement DTBK's system, most of your reasons for not wanting to implement it are.. eh.. stupid, and your negative opinions of someone does not make any aspect of them 'flawed'.

Gamma, we don't want you here, go away ohmy.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-21 at 12:43:08
QUOTE(Jammed @ Oct 21 2006, 04:40 AM)
"Activity is good" is not always true. Morons can be active also.
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Morons get warned, lose Staff Rating, and get banned smile.gif

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Example to make better: Basically member groups should be based on production/quality of work


And who decides on that quality? It certainly shouldn't be those Über-biased admins.. (sarcasm). You?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-21 at 12:46:39
QUOTE(dumbducky @ Oct 21 2006, 11:25 AM)
Gamma, how come you always seemed so opposed to just about anything the staff does?  And why would the staff spend their time unprotecting maps for any reason at all?
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Ya, also Mini Moose is more against OSMAP than anyone else on SEN! I think that un-protecting maps is a complete waste of time, and you are wasting more peoples times by making these types of topics. stop
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-10-21 at 12:52:51
If everyone quotes the following phrase, he might leave.
QUOTE(Centreri @ Oct 21 2006, 12:30 PM)
Gamma, we don't want you here, go away ohmy.gif.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-10-21 at 14:27:57
How would the Admins unprotecting maps benifit SEN? Time to quote Centreri

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Gamma, we don't want you here, go away .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-21 at 14:37:31
QUOTE(Mp)7-7 @ Oct 21 2006, 12:46 PM)
Ya, also Mini Moose is more against OSMAP than anyone else on SEN!  I think that un-protecting maps is a complete waste of time, and you are wasting more peoples times by making these types of topics.  stop

I think you meant DEAD. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-10-21 at 14:46:56
QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 05:22 AM)
Moose's
Example to make better:  Privately distribute OSMAP to staffers so that they can unprotect maps to get details from them.  Add the details in a neat way to map information.  Basically make detail features more appealing with screenshots, etc.
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Maplantis's uploading script automatically extracts all possible data about the map, including large and small screenshots. crazy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-10-21 at 15:12:30
QUOTE(Mp)7-7 @ Oct 21 2006, 06:16 PM)
I personally dont think there is anything wrong with DTBK's system for v5, it is better than what is used in v4.1!  More complex things always are, most the time

The simple solution always turns out to be more effective. Why did AK-47 claim more lives than M-16? You don't know much about the military - they always simplify everything. The simpler the better.

I would personally suggest only 2 member groups: members and something between regulars and elites. (just to give a bigger PM box tongue.gif )
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-21 at 18:58:24
QUOTE(Gamma @ Oct 21 2006, 03:23 AM)
Moose's
Example to make better:  Privately distribute OSMAP to staffers so that they can unprotect maps to get details from them.  Add the details in a neat way to map information.  Basically make detail features more appealing with screenshots, etc.
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I forgot to respond to this. What is the point of "privately distributing" OSMap? Anyone can get it now, so there's nothing really private about it. And what more information do you suggest for the DLDB? Map size? Number of players? Tileset? Screenshots of the minimap and/or gameplay? Though I do miss the small screenshots of each map that used to be in the DLDB years ago, I don't see how any other information would help the DLDB (aside from perhaps member reviews).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-21 at 19:04:16
QUOTE(Jammed @ Oct 21 2006, 02:12 PM)
The simple solution always turns out to be more effective. Why did AK-47 claim more lives than M-16? You don't know much about the military - they always simplify everything. The simpler the better.

I would personally suggest only 2 member groups: members and something between regulars and elites. (just to give a bigger PM box tongue.gif )
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Well, when it comes down to codes and computers, more complex systems are always better, but in the real world the simple things rule, but the longer the code and the mor time put into it is what makes it better.

I also agree with the groups, have regular members and something like 1000+ posts is another group.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-10-21 at 19:19:20
About programming: The more complex, the more possible bugs that must be fixed.

But remember, we're talking about society. I think that if DTBK's idea was implemented, it wouldn't turn out that well. Too many different factors.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-21 at 19:24:37
Yes, but say when you are making a movie made from gif that is a stick figure walking, person A is lazy and makes 10 clips and puts them together for a blocky finished product, person B decides to do 50 clips takes a lot more time but it is a nice smooth finished product.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-10-22 at 03:59:09
QUOTE(Jammed @ Oct 21 2006, 07:18 PM)
About programming: The more complex, the more possible bugs that must be fixed.

But remember, we're talking about society. I think that if DTBK's idea was implemented, it wouldn't turn out that well. Too many different factors.
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Which is why I think it would work, because one factor doesn't make so much of a difference. It's hard to abuse the system, IMO. But I guess it never has been tested yet, so not 100% sure yet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-22 at 04:38:04
Yeah, all I really want is a practical-application test..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-22 at 12:13:02
Yeah, but you wouldn't be able to see the ratings.

Code would be in PHP.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-22 at 12:20:58
What kind of code do you use for this system? Because they have some programs that run seperate where you place the code in and it makes a fake process of the code and how it would be if you placed it on a web page.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-22 at 12:33:10
QUOTE(dumbducky @ Oct 22 2006, 10:01 AM)
The reason that DTBK's system is flawed in any way is because of the member rating system.  Some members will get low ratings from staff, and then go omg dtbk is biased!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!
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Right, like Moose said, Staff Rating is private like warn level.

People on v4 might get warned and be like "OMFG DTBK IS BIASED!!", but such situations can be dealt with.
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