Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-11-05 at 07:24:37
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6117910.stm
So, basically, what do you think about this? When I thought about it, I thought that death penalty wasn't the right punishment, that it was too hard, but when I go around my feelings I think that the punishment was good, I mean, he killed 148 people in Dujail in 1982, and not just that, he's been having control of Iraq for a very long time and many has died during this period.
But hanging as the way to excecute him seems too primitive, I think, because people used it in the 1700 century, and there's several better ways of doing an excecution like this, I mean, electric chair, poisoning him while asleep to death, shot in the head (may be pretty brutal, but it's excecuted easier than hanging) and many more ways.
What do you think?
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Death penalty for Saddam Hussein
Saddam trial verdict
Saddam Hussein has been convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging.
The former Iraqi president was convicted by a Baghdad court for his role in the killing of 148 people in the mainly Shia town of Dujail in 1982.
His half brother Barzan al-Tikriti was also sentenced to death, as was Iraq's former chief judge Awad Hamed al-Bandar
Former Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan got life in jail and three others received 15 year prison terms.
Another co-defendant, Baath party official Mohammed Azawi Ali, was acquitted.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki hailed the conviction in a televised address, saying that the sentence was "not a sentence on one man, but a sentence against all the dark period of his rule".
"Maybe this will help alleviate the pain of the widows and the orphans, and those who have been ordered to bury their loved ones in secrecy, and those who have been forced to supress their feelings and suffering, and those who have paid at the hands of torturers," Mr Maliki said.
Long live Iraq! Long live the Iraqi people! Down with the traitors!
Saddam Hussein, reacting to verdict
When called to court, Saddam Hussein, dressed in his usual dark suit and white shirt and carrying a Koran, walked to his customary seat and sat down.
Judge Rauf Abdel Rahman ordered Saddam Hussein to stand while he read out the verdict, but the former president defiantly refused to do so and had to be moved from his seat by court attendants.
As the judge began reading the death sentence Saddam Hussein shouted out "Allahu Akbar!" (God is Greatest) and "Long live Iraq! Long live the Iraqi people! Down with the traitors!"
'Triumphant smile'
The former leader looked shocked and furious as the sentence was passed, and continued to shout, denouncing the court, the judge and the US-led occupation force in Iraq.
But the BBC's world affairs editor John Simpson said that after his tirade, which was clearly deliberate, as he was led away from the courtroom, Saddam Hussein seemed to have a small smile of triumph on his face.
"It was as if he was thinking 'I've come here and done what I intended to do'," our correspondent said.
Shortly after the verdict was announced celebratory gunfire could be heard across Baghdad.
In the Shia district of Sadr City there was jubilation on the streets, with people driving around in cars, beeping their horns. There were also jubilant scenes in the holy city of Najaf.
The Baghdad celebrations were in defiance of a 12-hour daytime curfew banning all vehicle and pedestrian traffic which was placed on the whole city of six million people amid fears of violence from Saddam Hussein's Sunni Arab supporters.
The government cancelled all army leave and the city's civilian airport was closed.
Hometown anger
Immediately after the sentencing violence reportedly broke out in the mainly Sunni Azamiya district of Baghdad, with machine guns and mortars being fired.
THE VERDICTS
Three nearby provinces, including Salahuddin, which contains Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, are also under curfew.
Thousands of people also defied the curfew in Tikrit, but there it was to voice support for Saddam Hussein and to denounce the verdict.
Sunnis in Tikrit marched through the city, chanting "We will avenge you Saddam."
Almost three years since Saddam Hussein was captured, soaring sectarian violence has brought Iraq to the brink of civil war.
Few Iraqis think the trial verdict will ease conflict, the BBC's Andrew North in Baghdad says.
Even those Iraqis who want to see their former leader dead do not believe his execution would make things any better, our correspondent says.
Saddam Hussein and his co-defendants will be given the right to appeal, but that is expected to last a few weeks and to end in failure for the defendants.
Many critics have dismissed the trial as a form of victors' justice, given the close attention the US has paid to it.
Before the session began former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark was ejected from the courtroom after handing the judge a note in which he called the trial a "travesty".
Saddam Hussein's defence team have also accused the government of interfering in the proceedings - a complaint backed by US group Human Rights Watch.
And the former leader's lawyers have attacked the timing of the planned verdict, which comes days before the US votes in mid-term elections.
US President George W Bush's Republican Party is at risk of losing control of Congress in part because of voter dissatisfaction over its handling of the Iraq conflict.
Saddam trial verdict
Saddam Hussein has been convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging.
The former Iraqi president was convicted by a Baghdad court for his role in the killing of 148 people in the mainly Shia town of Dujail in 1982.
His half brother Barzan al-Tikriti was also sentenced to death, as was Iraq's former chief judge Awad Hamed al-Bandar
Former Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan got life in jail and three others received 15 year prison terms.
Another co-defendant, Baath party official Mohammed Azawi Ali, was acquitted.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki hailed the conviction in a televised address, saying that the sentence was "not a sentence on one man, but a sentence against all the dark period of his rule".
"Maybe this will help alleviate the pain of the widows and the orphans, and those who have been ordered to bury their loved ones in secrecy, and those who have been forced to supress their feelings and suffering, and those who have paid at the hands of torturers," Mr Maliki said.
Long live Iraq! Long live the Iraqi people! Down with the traitors!
Saddam Hussein, reacting to verdict
When called to court, Saddam Hussein, dressed in his usual dark suit and white shirt and carrying a Koran, walked to his customary seat and sat down.
Judge Rauf Abdel Rahman ordered Saddam Hussein to stand while he read out the verdict, but the former president defiantly refused to do so and had to be moved from his seat by court attendants.
As the judge began reading the death sentence Saddam Hussein shouted out "Allahu Akbar!" (God is Greatest) and "Long live Iraq! Long live the Iraqi people! Down with the traitors!"
'Triumphant smile'
The former leader looked shocked and furious as the sentence was passed, and continued to shout, denouncing the court, the judge and the US-led occupation force in Iraq.
But the BBC's world affairs editor John Simpson said that after his tirade, which was clearly deliberate, as he was led away from the courtroom, Saddam Hussein seemed to have a small smile of triumph on his face.
"It was as if he was thinking 'I've come here and done what I intended to do'," our correspondent said.
Shortly after the verdict was announced celebratory gunfire could be heard across Baghdad.
In the Shia district of Sadr City there was jubilation on the streets, with people driving around in cars, beeping their horns. There were also jubilant scenes in the holy city of Najaf.
The Baghdad celebrations were in defiance of a 12-hour daytime curfew banning all vehicle and pedestrian traffic which was placed on the whole city of six million people amid fears of violence from Saddam Hussein's Sunni Arab supporters.
The government cancelled all army leave and the city's civilian airport was closed.
Hometown anger
Immediately after the sentencing violence reportedly broke out in the mainly Sunni Azamiya district of Baghdad, with machine guns and mortars being fired.
THE VERDICTS
- Saddam Hussein , former Iraqi president: found guilty and sentenced to death
- Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti , Saddam Hussein's half-brother: found guilty and sentenced to death
- Awad Hamed al-Bandar , Chief Judge of Revolutionary Court: found guilty and sentenced to death
- Taha Yasin Ramadan , former Iraqi vice-president: found guilty and sentenced to life in jail
- Abdullah Kadhem Ruaid Senior Baath official: found guilty and sentenced to 15 years in jail
- Abdullah Rawed Mizher , Senior Baath official: found guilty and sentenced to 15 years in jail
- Ali Daeem Ali , Senior Baath official: found guilty and sentenced to 15 years in jail
- Mohammed Azawi Ali , Baath official: acquitted
Three nearby provinces, including Salahuddin, which contains Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, are also under curfew.
Thousands of people also defied the curfew in Tikrit, but there it was to voice support for Saddam Hussein and to denounce the verdict.
Sunnis in Tikrit marched through the city, chanting "We will avenge you Saddam."
Almost three years since Saddam Hussein was captured, soaring sectarian violence has brought Iraq to the brink of civil war.
Few Iraqis think the trial verdict will ease conflict, the BBC's Andrew North in Baghdad says.
Even those Iraqis who want to see their former leader dead do not believe his execution would make things any better, our correspondent says.
Saddam Hussein and his co-defendants will be given the right to appeal, but that is expected to last a few weeks and to end in failure for the defendants.
Many critics have dismissed the trial as a form of victors' justice, given the close attention the US has paid to it.
Before the session began former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark was ejected from the courtroom after handing the judge a note in which he called the trial a "travesty".
Saddam Hussein's defence team have also accused the government of interfering in the proceedings - a complaint backed by US group Human Rights Watch.
And the former leader's lawyers have attacked the timing of the planned verdict, which comes days before the US votes in mid-term elections.
US President George W Bush's Republican Party is at risk of losing control of Congress in part because of voter dissatisfaction over its handling of the Iraq conflict.
So, basically, what do you think about this? When I thought about it, I thought that death penalty wasn't the right punishment, that it was too hard, but when I go around my feelings I think that the punishment was good, I mean, he killed 148 people in Dujail in 1982, and not just that, he's been having control of Iraq for a very long time and many has died during this period.
But hanging as the way to excecute him seems too primitive, I think, because people used it in the 1700 century, and there's several better ways of doing an excecution like this, I mean, electric chair, poisoning him while asleep to death, shot in the head (may be pretty brutal, but it's excecuted easier than hanging) and many more ways.
What do you think?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-11-05 at 07:51:42
I don't think the electric chair is any more humane than hanging, and nor is being shot in the head or poisoning to death while he's sleeping. I mean, wtf - what do they do to people where you live?
Personally, I think Saddam is just another casualty of the war.
Personally, I think Saddam is just another casualty of the war.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-11-05 at 08:00:42
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Nov 5 2006, 06:51 AM)
I don't think the electric chair is any more humane than hanging, and nor is being shot in the head or poisoning to death while he's sleeping. I mean, wtf - what do they do to people where you live?
Personally, I think Saddam is just another casualty of the war.
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I live in Sweden, where death penalty isn't used.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-11-05 at 08:10:55
I think any form of the death penalty is barbaric.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-11-05 at 08:13:53
QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Nov 5 2006, 09:10 AM)
I think any form of the death penalty is barbaric.
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So your saying that a person who killed over 300 people shouldn't be sentanced to death? (I'm not talking about Sadam)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-11-05 at 08:20:28
Yes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-11-05 at 08:22:15
Wasting valuable national money to keep criminals alive is pathetic. However, if they are forced to work in dangerous jobs; I wouldn't mind.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 08:30:13
Since the death penalty is the easiest way out of everything for everybody that kills more than one person, I dont agree. If you kill more than one person, you can only be killed once, I think that it would be more harsh to sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life. He would have more time to think of how dumb he really was, I just think that he is getting the easiest way out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ermac on 2006-11-05 at 09:15:52
Death penalty is not right, i think atleast life in jail would have been enough. And if you're saying he killed many people, well how many people did USA killed in Iraq and Afganistan and in the fake 9/11 ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 09:53:12
So you think that the death penalty is to much? So you think that the death penalrty is the worst? You die, everyone does just normally when your 70+ years old. Not everyone stays in jail till you die in harsh conditions. And he killed people for no reason, We are killing people that are shooting at us. If you were getting shot at would you shoot back. From what you said you wouldnt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-11-05 at 10:11:40
Personally, the death sentence is an act of pity towards those people. It's probably the most humane thing we can do for them. However, I would hate to be falsely convicted, so I'm against the death penalty. In justice, there is no surety. Besides, I like that idea of dangerous work. How about a labor camp for convicted criminals? They're fed, watered, clothed, and sheltered, and in turn they mine menial resources, like tin or something. You can be against the death penalty, but surely you don't believe they should be treated well!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ermac on 2006-11-05 at 10:30:58
QUOTE(Mp)7-7 @ Nov 5 2006, 05:53 PM)
So you think that the death penalty is to much? So you think that the death penalrty is the worst? You die, everyone does just normally when your 70+ years old. Not everyone stays in jail till you die in harsh conditions. And he killed people for no reason, We are killing people that are shooting at us. If you were getting shot at would you shoot back. From what you said you wouldnt.
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You think that all usa killed were soldiers? I meant civilian casualties too. And lets not forget usa gay soldiers raping and humiliating prisoners.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 10:32:29
Ya I agree that we should at least make them do something productive like build something, like build another wing of the prison, because there are too many people in prisons, they are all crowded, get a bunch and make sure they know how to hit nails in hold boards, you could have free labor.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Zero.oO on 2006-11-05 at 10:33:18
I agree the death penalty is a act of pity, but if im going to sit the rest of my life in prison I would rather just go to church one last time and be executed. And about being against the death penalty for not being shure if they did it regardless if they did do it it still takes liked 10 years in the USA before your executed. With Saddam we need no proof we know he did it. Even though we shouldnt have gone into Iraq he still deserves to pay for his actions. Death seems appropriate by hanging though? Once your neck snaps which it does very quickly I thought it was "supposed" to be painless after that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-11-05 at 11:11:13
We didn't convict him to death, the baghdad court did.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-11-05 at 11:13:26
Hanging is too good for him. Bring back iron maidens.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rye on 2006-11-05 at 11:16:47
Hanging's too good for him. Since he was tried in Baghdad, I figured they'd stone him. Ah, well. One ex-dictator less.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 11:23:47
Leaving him in a jail cell for the rest of his life is what he needs, just killing him is not gonna make a lot of people happy. Its too bad some people think that the death penalty is the worst thing you can do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Zero.oO on 2006-11-05 at 11:34:45
You have to remember besides how much Saddam needs to suffer keeping him in jail might cause Iraqi's to attack the prison. Then again more might try to stop the execution. Which one has more positvie effects? I think executing will make it easier to control Iraqi's for one he is already sentenced and to go back on the sentence would make Iraqi's say Americans are cowards! People for the war in Iraq might turn because of that, and once you have executed Saddam you need not worry about Iraqi's trying to set him free. Even though some might attack whilst being exected its better to the long term effects of being held captive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 12:37:30
It would be easier to prevent an attack in our homeland than an attack in their homeland. If we keep him in prison, they try to make an extraction, we can stop them. We kill him and they get pissed and attack on our soldiers in Iraq, what would be better? You decide.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ermac on 2006-11-05 at 12:47:01
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I think executing will make it easier to control Iraqi's
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And who gave Americans the right to control other countries? They just make up half of the charges like the toxic weapon Saddam "had", to get some oil there.. Same thing with Afganistan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-11-05 at 13:09:40
I support this penalty 
. Why? It's because, what if we put him in jail, and his loyalists come and rescue him? Then he could just cause havoc against Iraqi and American forces. And for you people agaisnt the Death Penalty. If we did get the chance to capture Hitler, should we have just put him in prison like you want to do?
. Why? It's because, what if we put him in jail, and his loyalists come and rescue him? Then he could just cause havoc against Iraqi and American forces. And for you people agaisnt the Death Penalty. If we did get the chance to capture Hitler, should we have just put him in prison like you want to do?Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 13:40:05
The odds of his followers to be even following him still are low, the odds of them trying to rescue him are low, the odds of them reaching the U.S. are low, the odds of the getting into the U.S. are low, most of all the odds are against them getting him out. That is without saying how impossible it would be to get him back out without the U.S. stopping while they already know he is gone now. They would need invisiblity and teleportation for this to work right.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Zero.oO on 2006-11-05 at 13:49:35
Kill him in Iraq and not deal with attacks for extraction in the USA at all?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-05 at 14:08:16
No, If we held him in the U.S. we would not have to worry about them trying to rescue him. It would be next to impossible. Killing him is a waste.